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19:39:30 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
19:39:31 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
19:39:31 <trackbot> Date: 04 November 2015
19:39:43 <phila_irc_only> zakim, code?
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19:54:20 <phila_irc_only> regrets+ Ed
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19:57:43 <kerry> zakim, code?
19:57:43 <Zakim> I have been told this is https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m57409f4a882794f437fc8ca01a46ba45 +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number Access code: 648 510 221, pw: vrh6qs24 Host key:
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19:59:41 <phila_irc_only> zakim, code?
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20:00:42 <Linda> present+ Linda
20:00:55 <frans> present+ frans
20:01:27 <frans> I am not hearing much at the moment
20:02:01 <frans> it was no one talking
20:02:34 <kerry> chair: kerry
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20:03:30 <kerry> scribe: simon
20:03:36 <billroberts> present+ billroberts
20:03:47 <frans> some help for scribes: http://www.w3.org/2008/04/scribe.html
20:03:48 <MattPerry> present+ MattPerry
20:03:53 <kerry> scribenick: simoncox
20:04:10 <phila_irc_only> Apologies from me, I can't dial in (I'm next to a municipal swimming pool and about to leave to go home) Normal service should be resumed next week
20:04:17 <SimonCox> present+ SimonCox
20:04:22 <ahaller2> present+ ahaller2
20:04:28 <Linda> The agenda is:
20:04:29 <Linda> 1.	Sapporo F2F Update and discussion 2.	Future work plan 3.	UCR second public draft and remaining issues 4.	Candidate best practice topics for BP doc
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20:06:02 <kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/14-sdw-minutes.html
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20:06:14 <frans> Has TimBL really joined this meeting?
20:06:35 <SimonCox> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151104
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20:07:14 <frans> Bart, were you able to be in a photograph with him?
20:07:29 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151021
20:07:39 <jtandy> http://www.w3.org/2015/10/21-sdw-minutes
20:08:22 <phila_irc_only> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151104
20:08:28 <Linda> +1
20:08:32 <frans> +1
20:08:32 <jtandy> +1
20:08:33 <ahaller2> +1
20:08:33 <SimonCox> Motion: approve minutes
20:08:35 <billroberts> sorry, missed the 21 Oct call
20:09:05 <kerry> +2
20:09:06 <SimonCox> No objections (but wasn't there
20:09:07 <kerry> +1
20:09:19 <ChrisLittle> missed 21st too
20:09:19 <SimonCox> resolved: minutes approved
20:09:34 <phila_irc_only> s/resolved/resolution/
20:09:40 <ahaller2> patent call
20:10:02 <SimonCox> resolution: minutes approved
20:10:56 <jtandy> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
20:11:37 <SimonCox> Topic: Sapporo update
20:13:15 <SimonCox> Discussion on candidate best practices for BP document
20:13:46 <SimonCox> 5-6 non-regular people, one new face offered testing and implementation
20:14:17 <SimonCox> Significant offer of resources
20:14:38 <SimonCox> (name not known)
20:15:02 <jtandy> http://w3c.github.io/sdw/bp/
20:15:09 <ChrisLittle> * was it Tanagi-san?
20:15:20 <SimonCox> 1. Linking data
20:15:26 <SimonCox> 2. publishing with clear semantics
20:15:30 <SimonCox> 3. anabling discovery
20:15:36 <SimonCox> 4. assignment of identifiers
20:15:40 <SimonCox> 5. large datasets
20:15:49 <SimonCox> not addressed: exposing through APIs
20:15:59 <SimonCox> not discussed - spatial, observations
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20:16:48 <SimonCox> (also help from data on the web best practice group)
20:17:03 <SimonCox> OPPORTUNITY! control our scope
20:17:27 <SimonCox> drop topics that are general as they are already under control in dwwg
20:17:37 <frans> q+
20:17:49 <SimonCox> incl. discovery, assignment of identifiers
20:18:25 <SimonCox> Cite solutions from DWBP where they have a scope that matches SDWWG requirements and expectations
20:18:40 <SimonCox> e.g.
20:19:00 <SimonCox> 1. publishing data with clear semantics - focus on semantics of spatial relationships
20:19:57 <SimonCox> 2. enabling discovery, 3. linking data - Ed not enamoured of current SDIs - catalog ... service endpoint ... query endpoint - this is NOT 'data on the web'
20:20:07 <billroberts> +1 to Ed's reported opinion.  I generally lose the will to live before finding anything useful from INSPIRE
20:20:09 <SimonCox> can't trawl endpiints, leverage links - have to *query*
20:20:46 <SimonCox> Browsing not supported.
20:20:54 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
20:21:02 <SimonCox> (this was consensus in meeting)
20:21:05 <kerry> +1
20:21:11 <Linda> +1
20:21:20 <SimonCox> q+
20:21:53 <SimonCox> what is this catalogue thing?
20:22:02 <kerry> +q?
20:22:21 <kerry> ack frans
20:22:54 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
20:22:59 <kerry> -q?
20:23:15 <SimonCox> frans: reduce scope will have big impact on BP document
20:23:24 <kerry> ack next
20:25:02 <SimonCox> SImonCOx: clarify distinction being made between catalogues and search-engines
20:25:13 <SimonCox> Kerry: it was findability
20:25:30 <SimonCox> q+
20:25:48 <kerry> q?
20:26:03 <kerry> ack SimonCox
20:26:30 <ChrisLittle> +1 to Simon's comment
20:26:38 <kerry> ack ChrisLittle
20:26:45 <SimonCox> things being harvested into catalogue/index need to be more link rich and support finding atomic items, not just datasets
20:27:06 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:28:02 <kerry> ack AndreaPerego
20:28:21 <AndreaPerego> http://geodcat-ap.semic.eu:8890/api/
20:28:27 <SimonCox> andrea: geodcat-ap - has API for CSW
20:28:51 <SimonCox> convert from ISO 19115/19139 -> RDF/RDFa
20:29:16 <SimonCox> optimise what is exposed through catalogues
20:29:39 <SimonCox> can embed metadata in HTML pages, more findable
20:29:49 <SimonCox> but not enough links!
20:30:04 <SimonCox> findable but still not _linked_
20:30:41 <frans> Yes, promoting assigning URIs to thing will be a big step forward
20:30:54 <billroberts> q+
20:30:59 <frans> s/thing will/things will/
20:31:14 <kerry> ack next
20:31:15 <SimonCox> simon: Capabilities response needs to include links, not lists!
20:31:18 <jtandy> +1 to AndreaPerego 's comment
20:31:40 <SimonCox> billroberts: difficult to link to a specific item
20:32:07 <BartvanLeeuwen> q+ to explain about the bug in your ear at TPAC
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20:32:17 <SimonCox> billroberts: want boundary of Edinburgh, not shapefile of all LGA boundaries
20:32:22 <ChrisLittle> +1  to granularity
20:32:41 <frans> In favour of INSPIRE: it has semantics that are harmonized in Europe. Quite an achievement!
20:32:43 <kerry> ack BartvanLeeuwen
20:32:43 <Zakim> BartvanLeeuwen, you wanted to explain about the bug in your ear at TPAC
20:32:53 <SimonCox> (THat looks like a strong requirement)
20:33:29 <jtandy> also +1 to getting the granularity of linking right
20:34:01 <SimonCox> Bartvanleeuwen: ? spatial properties shoudl be links ?
20:35:00 <AndreaPerego> s/shoudl/should/
20:35:08 <SimonCox> Bart: need adapter to expose existing services (WFS) as linked data
20:35:23 <SimonCox> Bart: started work in context of Dutch fire services
20:35:30 <SimonCox> Bart: demo later this month?
20:36:04 <SimonCox> Jeremy: timbl keen that we cover OpenStreetMap
20:36:21 <frans> Do we have a liaison with OSM?
20:36:23 <ChrisLittle> +1  to OSM UC
20:36:39 <SimonCox> OSM - great adoption, must be doing something right
20:36:45 <kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Theme_-_BPs_to_hand_over_to_other_WGs_in_W3C_or_OGC
20:36:46 <SimonCox> SImon: tools?
20:37:12 <frans> Or a contact with linkedgeodata.org (which is based on OSM)?
20:37:34 <jtandy> @frans ... no liaison yet - but I think we can chase up some links to those orgs
20:37:54 <SimonCox> Kerry: proposed new item, joint not w DWWP group
20:38:05 <SimonCox> Hadley Beeman, Dan Brickley
20:38:53 <frans> They will be glad to hear TimBL supports their efforts
20:39:07 <SimonCox> TOPIC: future work plan
20:39:22 <SimonCox> Kerry: main Wiki page updated w updated workplan
20:40:09 <SimonCox> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Main_Page#Deliverables
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20:40:28 <frans>  I am not screaming
20:40:54 <SimonCox> BP to be published December
20:41:14 <jtandy> q+ to note about proximity between BP FPWD and OGC TC
20:43:58 <kerry> q?
20:44:33 <ChrisLittle> OGC WGs can issue drafts easily
20:44:57 <jtandy> SimonCox: OGC working drafts are just posted to pending documents - no review period
20:45:21 <SimonCox> QUestion around how OGC can publish 'public working drafts'
20:45:30 <SimonCox> and how fast
20:45:36 <kerry> ack jtandy
20:45:36 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to note about proximity between BP FPWD and OGC TC
20:45:39 <ChrisLittle> +1 to simon corrcting Jermey
20:46:17 <SimonCox> OGC TC in Sydney week commencing 30 November
20:47:34 <jtandy> SimonCox: can you reverse the order of starting Time and SSN work?
20:47:52 <SimonCox> Future meetings will consider SSN, Time for half of meeting
20:48:05 <SimonCox> alternating weeks, approx.
20:48:10 <jtandy> q+
20:48:16 <SimonCox> Coverage deliverable - work to start in March
20:48:19 <jtandy> q-
20:48:38 <jtandy> q+ to talk about F2F
20:49:16 <SimonCox> TOPIC: UCR document
20:49:31 <billroberts> can we add a hopefully very brief item to today's agenda: confirmation of date/location of next F2F?
20:50:26 <SimonCox> 6-8 February meeting at Geonovum, on Best Practices
20:50:30 <billroberts> 6/7 Feb is Sat/Sun - that's ok for me, but just to check no mistake?
20:50:34 <Linda> It's 8 - 10, right?
20:50:54 <SimonCox> 3-day meeting (lined up with local linked-data meeting)
20:51:15 <SimonCox> 8-10 February meeting at Geonovum, on Best Practices
20:51:38 <SimonCox> ... and other topics for SDDWG
20:51:53 <SimonCox> s/SDDWG/SDWWG/
20:52:20 <SimonCox> OGC TC in SYdney - report to GeoSemantics domain working group
20:52:44 <jtandy> (the final day of the next F2F, 10th Feb, should include interactions with the Linked Data community to validate our work so far)
20:52:45 <SimonCox> 1/2 hour
20:53:34 <SimonCox> will proceed with regular teleconference anyway (7am Sydney time)
20:53:47 <SimonCox> TOPIC: UCR document
20:54:20 <frans> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/17)
20:54:38 <SimonCox> Motion: issue 17 - medium resolution global grid?
20:54:42 <frans> PROPOSAL: The candidate requirement "It should be possible to represent a medium resolution global grid, e.g. 90m raster data across the globe." will not be included in the UCR document.
20:54:57 <SimonCox> -1
20:55:27 <SimonCox> sorry - +1
20:55:30 <ChrisLittle> +1 not include
20:55:31 <jtandy> +1 ... not include this requirement
20:55:35 <billroberts> +1
20:55:35 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
20:55:36 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:55:36 <MattPerry> +1
20:55:37 <Linda> +1
20:55:41 <Ian_Holt> +1
20:55:57 <frans> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/27
20:56:01 <SimonCox> Resolution: no 90m global grid
20:56:17 <frans> PROPOSAL: Add a note to the description of the "Coverage in Linked Data" deliverable in the UCR document: "The OGC is currently working on refinements of ISO 19123 (in particular, the OGC Coverage Implementation Schema 1.1), which could result in specifications that allow a higher level of interoperability of implementations. The Working Group will also consider these forthcoming standards."
20:56:36 <SimonCox> Motion: issue 27 - add note that new OGC work is in scope
20:56:47 <kerry> rrsagent, make logs public
20:56:55 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
20:56:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/04-sdw-minutes.html kerry
20:57:00 <ChrisLittle> +1
20:57:00 <SimonCox> (can't change charter, but can point it out in UCR document)
20:57:08 <SimonCox> +1
20:57:13 <Linda> +1
20:57:13 <kerry> +1
20:57:16 <BartvanLeeuwen> +1
20:57:16 <MattPerry> +1
20:57:17 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:57:17 <Ian_Holt> +1
20:57:19 <jtandy> +0
20:58:01 <kerry> q?
20:58:09 <kerry> ack jtandy
20:58:09 <Zakim> jtandy, you wanted to talk about F2F
20:58:32 <SimonCox> Jeremy: OGC CIS is too closely coupled to GML approach?
20:59:33 <jtandy> q-
20:59:35 <ChrisLittle> +1 to looser rather than tighter coupling
20:59:38 <SimonCox> Jeremy: must avoid close coupling with implementation choice.
20:59:48 <jtandy> +1 to considering them
20:59:55 <SimonCox> Resolution: can consider new OGC work
21:00:04 <SimonCox> on coverage implementations
21:00:25 <SimonCox> Next meeting: 2015-11-11
21:00:49 <BartvanLeeuwen> thx bye
21:00:57 <ChrisLittle> bye and thank you
21:00:57 <Ian_Holt> thanks. bye
21:00:57 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye!
21:00:57 <Linda> Bye!
21:01:00 <ahaller2_> thx bye
21:01:02 <MattPerry> bye
21:01:02 <billroberts> thx!
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21:01:08 <frans> bye! And thanks Kerry & Simon
21:01:08 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
21:01:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/04-sdw-minutes.html kerry
21:01:11 <SimonCox> rrsagent , draft minutes
21:01:28 <SimonCox> rrsagent, generate minutes
21:01:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/04-sdw-minutes.html SimonCox
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