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15:20:24 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
15:20:24 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
15:20:25 <trackbot> Meeting: Arabic Layout Task Force Teleconference
15:20:25 <trackbot> Date: 03 November 2015
15:20:40 <r12a> Chair: Shervin
15:20:54 <r12a> present+ Shervin, Mostafa, r12a
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15:22:06 <Shervin> scribeNick: Mostafa
15:22:33 <Shervin> ScribeNick: Mostafa
15:23:24 <r12a> Topic: Actions
15:23:37 <Shervin> agenda+ Status review of action items from previous meeting
15:23:43 <Shervin> agenda?
15:23:57 <Shervin> agenda- 5
15:24:01 <Shervin> agenda-6
15:24:05 <Shervin> agenda- 6
15:24:07 <Shervin> agenda?
15:24:14 <Shervin> agenda+ Status review of action items from previous meeting
15:24:30 <Shervin> agenda+ Report on IUC39
15:24:39 <Shervin> agenda+ Recruiting Status
15:25:05 <Shervin> agenda+ Status report on glossary work from the Arabic and Persian teams
15:25:15 <Shervin> agenda+ Drafting status and prioritization
15:26:20 <Shervin> Zakim, take up agendum 1
15:26:20 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Status review of action items from previous meeting" taken up [from Shervin]
15:26:40 <Shervin> http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open
15:27:37 <Shervin> close action item 2
15:27:44 <Shervin> close action-2
15:27:44 <trackbot> Closed action-2.
15:27:54 <Shervin> close action-3
15:27:54 <trackbot> Closed action-3.
15:29:25 <Shervin> close action-5
15:29:25 <trackbot> Closed action-5.
15:29:47 <najib> q+ on action5
15:29:50 <mostafa> Mostafa: Najib has added Arabic translations for some of glossary items.
15:29:54 <Shervin> Najib, since you're not on the call, do you have anything to mention regarding glossary work you've done?
15:30:04 <mostafa> … and Sallar did the same for Persian.
15:30:05 <najib> yes
15:30:16 <najib> I add commas to separate more translations. Some terms might be composed of two or three words.
15:30:23 <najib> Some terms don't seem relevant  "Bicameral"?
15:30:29 <najib> That's it
15:31:20 <najib> q-
15:31:48 <Shervin> Thanks, Najib.
15:32:46 <Shervin> ScribeNick: Shervin
15:32:55 <r12a> q+
15:33:03 <najib> More translations to be added. Keep action 5 ?
15:33:03 <Shervin> ScribeNick: Mostafa
15:33:31 <mostafa> Mostafa: Richard mentioned in the emails that we should use CLDR to populate the tables. I agree.
15:34:17 <r12a> public-alreq-admin list is for admin only, technical discussion belong on public-i18n-arabic list
15:36:23 <mostafa> Richard: GitHub issues hase a better discussions platform for this work.
15:37:02 <mostafa> Shervin: GitHub issues doesn’t have excellent support for attachments.
15:37:28 <mostafa> … I suggest to start drafting work on Google Doc and add a GitHub issue for dicussion.
15:37:39 <mostafa> … If you are prepared for a PR, make a PR.
15:38:49 <mostafa> … About the first draft, I’m not sure tables inside the document will work fine, becaue they can be very big.
15:39:08 <Shervin> close action-6
15:39:08 <trackbot> Closed action-6.
15:39:24 <mostafa> … I’m not sure what is the right approach for it, so I’ll see and get back to you about it next week.
15:39:40 <mostafa> Mostafa: These tables are supposed to go the end of the document in the appendix.
15:39:45 <Shervin> Najib, do you have any update for us regarding action number 7?
15:40:24 <najib> Yes. I sent an email with a proposed text.
15:40:43 <najib> http://www.w3c.org.ma/Tests/Alreq/Font-and-Typographical-considerations.html
15:41:05 <najib> Just started.
15:41:28 <Shervin> Thank you, Najib. I check this off on the action list.
15:41:30 <najib> Suggest to continue discussion by mail.
15:44:55 <Shervin> Najib, we briefly looked over the draft you have for font and typo consideration. Do you mind if we change the action item you had for adding more content to that?
15:45:12 <najib> OK
15:45:27 <mostafa> Richard: Since the work on this issue is minimal, I recommend changing the action item’s title to “develop some more text for this section.”
15:45:52 <mostafa> Richard: I just made that change to this action item #7 in the Tracker.
15:46:56 <mostafa> Shervin: I should put together an email to cover best practices for drafting.
15:47:24 <Shervin> ACTION: Shervin to write an email regarding best practices for drafting and draft-related discussions
15:47:25 <trackbot> Created ACTION-16 - Write an email regarding best practices for drafting and draft-related discussions [on Shervin Afshar - due 2015-11-10].
15:47:31 <mostafa> Richard: That can cover idea of GitHub issues and the right mailing list address to send drafts to.
15:48:17 <Shervin> ACTION: Shervin to convert Mostafa and Najib's emails to Github issues
15:48:17 <trackbot> Created ACTION-17 - Convert mostafa and najib's emails to github issues [on Shervin Afshar - due 2015-11-10].
15:48:35 <mostafa> Richard: We should take Najib’s and Mostafa’s recent emails and turn them into issues.
15:48:41 <mostafa> Shervin: I can do that.
15:49:08 <Shervin> close action-8
15:49:08 <trackbot> Closed action-8.
15:49:14 <mostafa> Richard: We should have closed action item #8 last week.
15:49:50 <Shervin> close action-9
15:49:50 <trackbot> Closed action-9.
15:50:06 <mostafa> Richard: Action item #9 is now done. The GitHub repo’s preferences have been changed to notify the mailing list about changes to the repo and its issues.
15:50:23 <Shervin> close action-11
15:50:24 <trackbot> Closed action-11.
15:50:26 <mostafa> Shervin: Action #10 is still going.
15:50:43 <mostafa> Action #11 is covered in #10, so I close #11.
15:50:43 <trackbot> Error finding '#11'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/users>.
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15:51:02 <mostafa> Shervin: Still working on action item #12.
15:51:45 <mostafa> These topics mentioned in actoin item #12 (links sent by Richard in the last meeting) will be reviewed and added as topics.
15:51:47 <Shervin> Hi Behnam, we started at 7:15 today. Mostly processing action items so far.
15:52:13 <Shervin> close action-13
15:52:13 <trackbot> Closed action-13.
15:52:25 <mostafa> Shervin: Action #13 is done. I sent the links to the follks.
15:53:03 <Behnam> Hi there
15:53:10 <Behnam> Hum... I didn't notice the time change
15:53:24 <Shervin> Are you going to call in soon, Behnam?
15:53:41 <Behnam> Yeah, I'm on it
15:53:54 <Shervin> It was in the agenda email, but it was mostly my misunderstanding.
15:55:39 <mostafa> 1 2
15:55:41 <mostafa> … 3
15:55:43 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:56:27 <mostafa> Richard: 12
15:56:29 <mostafa> … 3
15:56:32 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
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15:57:23 <r12a> scribenick: r12a
15:57:33 <r12a> Richard: 1 2 3
15:57:37 <r12a> ... 4 5 6
15:57:44 <r12a> scribenick: Mostafa
15:57:49 <Shervin> present+ Behnam
15:58:04 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:00:46 <r12a> action: richard to check with systeam whether ellipsis can function like ... for minute taking
16:00:46 <Shervin> http://www.w3.org/International/groups/arabic-layout/track/actions/open
16:00:46 <trackbot> Created ACTION-18 - Check with systeam whether ellipsis can function like ... for minute taking [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-11-10].
16:01:35 <Shervin> close action-1
16:01:35 <trackbot> Closed action-1.
16:03:28 <Shervin> close action-4
16:03:28 <trackbot> Closed action-4.
16:03:49 <r12a> Behnam, do you know Sarmad Hussain - he may also provide expertise on Urdu
16:04:13 <mostafa> Behnam: I followed action #4. We can close it now, because we don’t want them in the weekly, but I’m with touch with them.
16:04:46 <mostafa> Behnam: I did action #14 too.
16:05:27 <Shervin> close action-14
16:05:28 <trackbot> Closed action-14.
16:05:47 <Shervin> agenda?
16:06:28 <Shervin> item- 7
16:06:39 <Shervin> Zakim, take agendum 8
16:06:39 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take agendum 8', Shervin
16:06:53 <Shervin> Zakim, take up agendum 8
16:06:53 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Report on IUC39" taken up [from Shervin]
16:07:00 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:07:23 <Behnam> http://www.unicodeconference.org/39/presentations/S6-T1-Esfahbod-Afshar.pdf
16:07:40 <mostafa> Shervin: I ask Behnam to discuss the report on the IUC 39, because he did most of the work.
16:08:17 <mostafa> Behnam: We got attention of some people from different languages and technical areas.
16:09:55 <mostafa> Behnam: Can we add these kind of documents (talking about the slides from IUC 39) as supplementary documents in the GitHub repo?
16:10:12 <mostafa> Richard: Yes. I don’t see why not.
16:11:51 <Shervin> ACTION: Behnam to create a folder under 'gh-pages' branch on Github repository for misc. documents
16:11:54 <trackbot> Created ACTION-19 - Create a folder under 'gh-pages' branch on github repository for misc. documents [on Behnam Esfahbod - due 2015-11-10].
16:11:57 <mostafa> ... We can use gh-pages branch in the git repo so that the slide will be accessible from GitHub Pages though github.io domain name.
16:12:24 <mostafa> Behnam: We discussed various topics from our list of topic kewords.
16:12:59 <najib> s/kewords/keywords/
16:13:46 <mostafa> Shervin: The intention was to make people aware of our work and intrigue their curiosity.
16:14:13 <mostafa> ... I introduced the TF to different people in the meeting.
16:15:16 <mostafa> ... One gentleman from IBM said they have someone working on Arabic layout issues. I’ll invite him to take a look at our work.
16:15:29 <mostafa> ... Someone from Google showed interest too.
16:15:53 <mostafa> ... Once we have more text in our document that can be used in attracting more attention.
16:16:16 <Shervin> item- 8
16:16:19 <Shervin> Zakim, take up agendum 9
16:16:19 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Recruiting Status" taken up [from Shervin]
16:16:42 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:17:23 <mostafa> Shervin: I saw that Sallar is active on the document.
16:18:26 <mostafa> ... Mostafa, do you know if he intents to attend the meetings?
16:18:37 <mostafa> Mostafa: I don’t know. I sent him an email, but got no response.
16:19:55 <r12a> q+
16:20:42 <mostafa> ... I contacted Maryam Soft people about Quranic issues.
16:20:50 <Shervin> ack r12a
16:21:09 <mostafa> ... They are interested in cooperating.
16:21:22 <mostafa> Behnam: We may not start working on the Qur’an issue yet.
16:21:36 <mostafa> Shervin: Let’s keep the connection. We might need their help later.
16:21:51 <mostafa> ... Mostafa, do you have any updates about your other contacts?
16:22:07 <Behnam> agenda?
16:22:12 <mostafa> Mostafa: Unfortunately, none of them gave any response.
16:22:16 <Behnam> q+
16:22:54 <Shervin> Zakim, item- 7
16:22:54 <Zakim> I don't understand 'item- 7', Shervin
16:23:00 <Shervin> item- 7
16:23:04 <mostafa> Richard: I talked with Vivliostyle, a Japanese company, working on the eBooks.
16:23:48 <mostafa> ... I’ll keep contacting them in case they can pariticipate.
16:24:00 <Shervin> Zakim, delete agendum 7
16:24:00 <Zakim> agendum 7, Status review of action items from previous meeting, dropped
16:24:06 <Shervin> Zakim, delete agendum 8
16:24:06 <Zakim> agendum 8, Report on IUC39, dropped
16:24:11 <Shervin> agenda?
16:25:06 <mostafa> ... I also talked with German University of Technology in Amman and saw some interest there.
16:25:18 <Shervin> ack Behnam
16:25:26 <Behnam> https://github.com/slang-group/iloominate
16:26:20 <mostafa> Behnam: This is an eBook project. We can use them or their work when get to topics about ebooks.
16:26:59 <mostafa> ... I also found some interested folks on Twitter. They may join us for the next meeting.
16:27:01 <Behnam> Anas Qtiesh
16:27:12 <mostafa> ... They are based in San Francisco.
16:28:05 <mostafa> ... I’ll add them to the mailing list and they’ll introduce themselves, but wanted to say that Anas has a lot of experience with type-setting issues.
16:28:13 <Shervin> agenda?
16:28:19 <Shervin> Zakim, delete agendum 9
16:28:19 <Zakim> agendum 9, Recruiting Status, dropped
16:28:28 <Shervin> Zakim, take agendum 10
16:28:28 <Zakim> I don't understand 'take agendum 10', Shervin
16:28:46 <Shervin> Zakim, take up agendum 10
16:28:46 <Zakim> agendum 10. "Status report on glossary work from the Arabic and Persian teams" taken up [from Shervin]
16:29:03 <Shervin> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1nSxYKQm_mKroCmxU4fyJ-g70Eo1_mF89yHZg8YNOuzc/edit?usp=sharing
16:29:47 <mostafa> Shervin: Sallar added some terms for Persian translations and Najib and Azzeddine addes some Arabic translations.
16:30:46 <mostafa> ... We should follow a specific orthography here. Some terms are not written correctly.
16:31:19 <Shervin> Najib, we're talking about glossary work. Do you want to add anything to the conversation?
16:31:23 <Shervin> present?
16:31:42 <Shervin> Zakim, who is here?
16:31:42 <Zakim> Present: Shervin, mostafa, Behnam, r12a, Najib, Azzeddine_on_IRC
16:31:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see Behnam, RRSAgent, najib, Shervin, mostafa, trackbot, r12a, Zakim
16:31:47 <najib> I m fine
16:32:11 <r12a> present- Azzeddine_on_IRC
16:33:19 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:33:19 <Zakim> Present: Shervin, mostafa, Behnam, r12a, Najib
16:33:19 <Shervin> present+ Waseem_on_phone
16:33:21 <Zakim> On IRC I see Behnam, RRSAgent, najib, Shervin, mostafa, trackbot, r12a, Zakim
16:33:24 <r12a> zakim, who's here?
16:33:25 <Zakim> Present: Shervin, mostafa, Behnam, r12a, Najib, Waseem_on_phone
16:33:26 <Zakim> On IRC I see Behnam, RRSAgent, najib, Shervin, mostafa, trackbot, r12a, Zakim
16:33:48 <najib> q+
16:34:50 <Shervin> Just a second, Najib.
16:35:07 <mostafa> Wassem: I want to stay in the loop with the glossary work and I’ll find a way to put more effort and contribute to the work when I’m less busy.
16:35:32 <Shervin> ack najib
16:35:36 <najib> Some specific question like orthography could be done by email.
16:35:55 <r12a> or github issues ;-)
16:35:56 <najib> in a live fashion.
16:36:12 <najib> YES! github issues
16:36:30 <Shervin> najib, sure. I agree with that. Is there anything else you want to add?
16:36:44 <najib> Fine :-)
16:37:34 <Shervin> agenda?
16:37:46 <Shervin> Zakim, delete agendum 10
16:37:46 <Zakim> agendum 10, Status report on glossary work from the Arabic and Persian teams, dropped
16:37:51 <Shervin> Zakim, take up agendum 11
16:37:51 <Zakim> agendum 11. "Drafting status and prioritization" taken up [from Shervin]
16:37:57 <mostafa> Shervin: I’ll send an email to people to see how I can help to speed up the effort on the glossary.
16:39:58 <mostafa> ... Regarding drafitng: Najib and Mostafa produced some text. I’ll move these to GitHub, so that we can continue to discuss and work on the text.
16:40:23 <Shervin> Najib, regarding the drafting that section you're working on, is there anything you would like to talk about?
16:40:45 <najib> Not for the moment.
16:40:59 <mostafa> Mostafa: Moving to GitHub is a great idea. Will enable us to discuss specific issues of each topic and section, like Richard’s not about mentioning that we are focusing on Arabic and Persian languages only at the moment.
16:41:13 <Shervin> Zakim, delete agendum 11
16:41:13 <Zakim> agendum 11, Drafting status and prioritization, dropped
16:41:15 <r12a> s/not about/note about/
16:41:20 <Shervin> agenda?
16:43:11 <najib> right! May be a server problem.
16:43:50 <najib> I'll check that out with our system team
16:44:44 <r12a> Najib, https://github.com/w3c/alreq for the issues list
16:44:54 <najib> Thanks
16:45:00 <r12a> action: Richard to set up new call information for next week
16:45:01 <trackbot> Created ACTION-20 - Set up new call information for next week [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-11-10].
16:45:10 <r12a> rrsagent, draft minutes
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16:45:41 <r12a> actually, Najib, issues list here https://github.com/w3c/alreq/issues
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