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15:10:11 <tzviya> topic is TPAC 2015 Summary
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15:13:31 <tzviya> topic: TPAC 2015 Summary
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15:30:47 <tzviya> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Oct/0078.html
15:31:19 <tzviya> topic: TPAC 2015 Results and Next Steps
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15:59:31 <dkaplan3> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5f8774653cc62880afbc6123f0abe260
15:59:51 <dkaplan3> the one I posted was from one of the Ivan emails
15:59:59 <mgylling> ah, thanks
16:00:10 <mgylling> the one I pasted was for the anno group… ;)
16:00:16 <dkaplan3> although nobody else is there :)
16:00:21 <dkaplan3> present+ Deborah_Kaplan
16:00:54 <tzviya> present+ tzviya_siegman
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16:01:36 <clapierre> is there something wrong with Web Ex?
16:01:49 <Bill_Kasdorf> Have the call-in instructions changed? I can't get in via WebEx.
16:01:59 <tzviya> yes, new webex
16:02:11 <tzviya> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c99abd2f8cea21e3e3c33c9c2626eec
16:02:20 <mgylling> mgylling has changed the topic to: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5f8774653cc62880afbc6123f0abe260
16:02:28 <dauwhe> Present+ Dave_Cramer
16:02:32 <tzviya> sorry, not that!
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16:02:40 <mgylling> Use this URL https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5f8774653cc62880afbc6123f0abe260
16:02:42 <tzviya> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5f8774653cc62880afbc6123f0abe260
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16:03:08 <mgylling> Wrong URL in agenda, use this URL: : https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5f8774653cc62880afbc6123f0abe260
16:03:16 <pbelfanti> Present+ Paul Belfanti
16:03:56 <mgylling> Present+ Markus_Gylling
16:04:02 <clapierre> Present+ Charles_LaPierre
16:04:27 <TimCole> Present+ Tim_Cole
16:05:04 <mgylling> trackbot, start telecon
16:05:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
16:05:09 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
16:05:09 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
16:05:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
16:05:09 <trackbot> Date: 02 November 2015
16:05:19 <pkra> PRESENT+ Peter Krautzberger
16:05:28 <mgylling> zakim, who is here?
16:05:28 <Zakim> Present: Deborah_Kaplan, tzviya_siegman, Dave_Cramer, Paul, Belfanti, Markus_Gylling, Charles_LaPierre, Tim_Cole, Peter, Krautzberger
16:05:31 <Zakim> On IRC I see pbelfanti, TimCole, dauwhe, Bill_Kasdorf, clapierre, dkaplan3, mgylling, tzviya, Zakim, RRSAgent, pkra, liam, JakeA, fantasai, hober, nikos, leaverou, bigbluehat,
16:05:31 <Zakim> ... plinss, astearns, iank, Bert, trackbot
16:05:43 <pkra> yes
16:05:59 <Bill_Kasdorf> I'm getting the link to the Annotation WG WebEx
16:06:48 <mgylling> Use this URL https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5f8774653cc62880afbc6123f0abe260
16:07:36 <mgylling> scribenick: mgylling
16:07:48 <mgylling> Tzviya: we had a number of regrets, many people are still travelling
16:08:08 <mgylling> … ivan posted minutes and I posted summaries, we are not going to go through those
16:08:25 <pbelfanti> I keep getting stalled at "Starting Webex" screen
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16:08:42 <mgylling> …  I thought what we would do today, is to go over some of the highlights
16:09:06 <mgylling> pbelfanti, when using this URL? https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5f8774653cc62880afbc6123f0abe260
16:09:18 <Bill_Kasdorf> +present Bill_Kasdorf
16:09:24 <mgylling> … next TPAC will be in Portugal
16:09:39 <Bill_Kasdorf> Present+ Bill_Kasdorf
16:10:02 <mgylling> … some of the big things that came out of this, there was a lot of discussion about PWP, and discussion about EPUB as well
16:10:14 <pbelfanti> yes, on Safari, but just got in via Chrome (usually it's the opposite)
16:10:32 <mgylling> … some questions about the interoperable core of EPUB right now, how can we design identifiers before we know about the manifest
16:10:50 <mgylling> mgylling: what manifest?
16:11:29 <mgylling> tzviya: we talked a lot about not including an explicit manifest both in EPUB and in PWP, but we dont know what will be in the package and how they can be identified
16:11:58 <mgylling> … fragment identifiers will need to wait until we know what the package
16:12:48 <Bert> Present+
16:12:50 <mgylling> pbelfanti: what is the downside of the manifest, why eliminate?
16:12:58 <mgylling> dauwhe: duplication
16:13:14 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
16:13:37 <mgylling> pbelfanti: in order to eliminate the manifest, would the spine items have to be more explicit?
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16:14:14 <mgylling> dauwhe: not necessarily, we are still thinking about it
16:14:58 <mgylling> tzviya: we’ve talked about it extensively in this group, and started to touch on it in the EPUB group, but we can talk about it more offline as well as in EPUB browser friendly
16:15:00 <tzviya> ack bill
16:15:35 <mgylling> Bill_Kasdorf: the manifest has lost more information than the spine and the toc, its an explicit packing list, toc and spine dont document all the things
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16:16:01 <pkra> i'm here
16:16:25 <mgylling> tzviya: several members of the CSS WG spent a lot of time with is, what came up over and over again, is that we need to provide more examples
16:16:35 <Bill_Kasdorf> cant remember the IRC syntax but "lost" should be "lots"
16:16:48 <mgylling> … we need to be able to explain what we mean with e.g. table alignment
16:17:10 <mgylling> mgylling: this was the purpose of latinReq?
16:17:27 <tzviya> s/cant remember the IRC syntax but "lost" should be "lots"/
16:17:37 <tzviya> s/lost/lots
16:18:34 <mgylling> dauwhe: some other things going on here, what is the web doing badly right now, another thing they want is, the high level of detail to implement these features, such as [extremely compicated alignment example], its going to take some research to provide all the details
16:19:00 <mgylling> s/compicated/complicated
16:19:14 <mgylling> tzviya: we had a lengty discussion about the interplay between CSS and Math
16:19:27 <pkra> hehe.
16:19:29 <pkra> no
16:19:56 <mgylling> … pkra, you are being invited to a Houdini meeting to figure out what happens next
16:20:15 <Bill_Kasdorf> If it's a Houdini meeting does it mean he's in chains and has to try to escape?
16:21:20 <mgylling> pkra: accessibliity seems to be the more pressing and more lower hangning fruit right now
16:21:34 <mgylling> s/hangning/hanging
16:21:59 <mgylling> tzviya: we talked about POM, glazou started a CG
16:22:25 <mgylling> … and a meeting with Jake Archibald about Service Workers
16:23:40 <mgylling> DanielWeck: Jake would say that he has implemented a POC on his way back home, demonstrating how a simple ereader can get hold of content and store it in the cache to  enable an offline reading experience
16:23:52 <tzviya> POM CG: https://www.w3.org/community/pom/
16:24:33 <tzviya> Jake's sample SW-based system and file: https://jakearchibald.github.io/ebook-demo/publisher-site/readme/
16:25:13 <mgylling> … during the discussions the angle at which PWP is looking at this problem [echo… ]  in Readium we use SW to extract files from an archive transparently, the SW intercepts the requests for resources, the WebView is oblivious to this
16:25:49 <mgylling> … PWP is more interested in enabling this offline-first experience, to store using the Cache API that comes with SW
16:27:03 <mgylling> tzviya: our takeaway is that 1) SW may not be the best approach for the file, based on the way that it is architected, 2) based on the questions we heard asked, it sounds like it is not clear what the best way forward is for systems
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16:27:51 <mgylling> … jake asked us to do some testing, he wants to know from us if it is a use case
16:28:01 <mgylling> … the action item is to continue testing
16:28:53 <mgylling> … the PWP document also needs some tweaking in SW
16:29:12 <mgylling> … and the second day we talked about education and outreach
16:29:13 <clapierre> q?
16:29:21 <mgylling> s/and the second/on the second
16:29:35 <mgylling> … Karen has been working on this and we have a blog
16:30:11 <mgylling> … all IG members are encouraged to contribute in messaging
16:30:26 <mgylling> … we had a session about identifiers, we distilled some of the questions
16:30:35 <mgylling> … and a joint meeting with ARIA
16:30:49 <mgylling> … they will look at our feedback as the next step
16:31:21 <mgylling> … we also heard a bit about Web Components
16:31:38 <mgylling> … and recommending 2nd PWD of DPUB-ARIA
16:31:51 <mgylling> … in mid november
16:32:03 <mgylling> tzviya: I can put the action items into the tracker
16:32:52 <mgylling> [tzviya reads out action items]
16:33:08 <pkra> psyched.
16:34:32 <Bill_Kasdorf> I can provide contacts at OCLC who I think should be involved from the library side.]
16:36:11 <mgylling> tzviya: we need examples of better hyphenation, CSS WG needs to understand what the rules are
16:37:20 <Bill_Kasdorf> pharmaceutical terms are a huge hyphenation challenge
16:38:04 <mgylling> tzviya: requests to consider changing time for the weekly meeting, we will create a poll
16:38:41 <mgylling> … Daniel Glazman is trying to include not just EPUB in POM, so looking for information about other formats
16:40:42 <mgylling> … mid november is target date for 2nd PWD of DPUB-ARIA, also FPWD of the mappings
16:41:00 <mgylling> … we need more code samples in the DPUB-ARIA module
16:41:26 <mgylling> … but that can wait til third PWD
16:42:03 <tzviya> q?
16:48:39 <tzviya> http://w3cmemes.tumblr.com/
16:48:58 <pkra> *clap*
16:49:23 <pkra> you're awesome.
16:49:30 <mgylling> rrsagent, make minutes
16:49:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/11/02-dpub-minutes.html mgylling
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