16:51:44 RRSAgent has joined #ua 16:51:44 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-ua-irc 16:51:46 RRSAgent, make logs public 16:51:46 Zakim has joined #ua 16:51:48 Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG 16:51:48 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 16:51:49 Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference 16:51:49 Date: 22 October 2015 16:51:56 rrsagent, set logs public 16:52:14 chair: Jim 16:52:23 rrsagent, make minutes 16:52:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-ua-minutes.html allanj 17:00:41 http://w3c.github.io/UAAG-Implementations/Implementations-by-feature 17:01:04 Greg has joined #ua 17:05:17 scribe: jim 17:05:33 present: Jim, Greg, Eric, Judy 17:06:29 Agenda+ Charter closes Nov 5. 17:06:31 Agenda+ candidate implementations/extensions for each SC - narrow scope 17:06:32 Agenda+ New Guidelines group - use cases 17:13:48 discussing usecases, low vision task force, catching up with Eric 17:17:23 present+ Judy 17:17:28 Kim has joined #ua 17:18:15 take up item 1 17:18:43 topic: Charter closes Nov 5 17:20:57 jb: 2 groups on same schedule UAWG and AUWG 17:22:29 implementation examples: 17:22:38 http://w3c.github.io/UAAG-Implementations/Implementations-by-feature 17:25:01 only 22 SC left to check for possible implementations 17:25:58 jb: want to preserve work. could extend charter to finish the search for possible implementations 17:26:17 ... no team contact, may delay the shut down. 17:29:27 ja: about to mine UAAG for LFTF usecases 17:31:29 jb: wants to review the table 17:31:35 present+Kim 17:31:49 Eric_ has joined #ua 17:32:11 statement at top of table: 17:32:13 This is a working document from the User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group (UAWG) produced in anticipation of Candidate Recommendation which provides informal evaluation of user agents and their implementation of the UAAG 2.0 success criteria. The User Agent Accessibility Guidelines (UAAG) 2.0 is not complete and is still subject to change. Any information in this document is a... 17:32:14 ...preliminary opinion and should not be considered as a statement of conformance. 17:32:16 If the block is blank, it means that UAWG has not yet discussed it. 17:38:49 JB: reading the above, yes you'd need to change it, because it looks like you still plan to be on Rec track. e.g anticipate CR, no not really. more like "which we had started to compile in anticipation of CR, but are recording here to indicate the potential extent of implementations in this area. For ___% of features, we found at least 2 implementations. When we did initial testing of ___% of those features, __% of those behaved as expected. 17:39:11 JB: that language would need to be cleaned up, but could give it a go. 17:48:32 take up item 2 17:53:28 users need a good default or they have a tower of babel wrt html elements - pc version of polyfill=hackery 17:54:08 http://w3c.github.io/UAAG-Implementations/Implementations-by-feature 17:54:24 topic: 3.1.4 Spell Check: 17:58:43 Firefox, Chrome, IE, 17:58:58 gl: safari 17:59:37 http://www.tsbvi.edu/req-outreach-services/request-infant 18:01:45 ja: FF checks spelling in 'area' but not in type="text" 18:02:09 gl: safari has spell check and auto correct. 18:02:42 Safari on OS X has both spell-checking and auto-correct, in both multi-line and single-line input fields. 18:04:33 gl: should folks be able to turn off auto correct. because text would change behind them 18:04:39 We probably don't have an SC saying that the user is able to turn off auto-correct, but we should. 18:04:59 ja: need a use case for autocorrect turn off 18:05:04 A use case is a blind user who types a name and doesn't know that the browser changes it after they move on. 18:06:06 browser should be able to turn off, and override the OS 18:06:14 topic: 3.1.5 Back Button: 18:06:35 all browsers have a back button! 18:06:48 topic: 3.1.6 Form Submission Confirm: 18:07:42 ja: don't know of setting to turn off auto submit of form on Enter 18:12:57 many ways to do this with javascript, so should be possible to have a browser control or extension. 18:13:09 could find no settings or extensions. 18:13:44 topic: 3.1.7 Form Auto-Fill: 18:15:36 Chrome and FF have this 18:15:38 https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/control-whether-firefox-automatically-fills-forms 18:17:12 I don't know of a built-in way to get it to fill in the field; it always make you manually invoke a drop-down list and choose from that. That's better than nothing, and reducing typing, but still requires a lot of actions, especially when talking about full contact information. 18:17:45 chrome - In the upper right corner of the browser window, click the Chrome menu Chrome menu. 18:17:47 Click Settings > Show advanced settings. 18:17:48 Under "Passwords and forms," uncheck Enable Autofill to fill out web forms in a single click. To turn Autofill back on, simply check the box again. 18:18:00 https://support.google.com/chrome/answer/142893?hl=en 18:21:22 It would be nice if the browser provided the option to truly autofill an entire form, rather than just remembering the values, although this should probably be off by default. Ideally the user could then use a command to auto-fill with a different SET of values (e.g. home vs. work contact info). 18:21:29 chrome will ask do you want to use info associated with work email, or home email and use the postal addresses and phone number associated with the email address 18:22:01 topic: 3.1.8 Save Form Entries: 18:27:09 NOT chrome, FF, Safari, IE 18:27:17 kp: nothing on mobile 18:28:29 there are extensions https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/form-history-control/ 18:29:59 Lazarus: form recovery works in FF and Chrome 18:30:43 topic: 3.2.1 Accessible Documentation: 18:31:44 all desktop browsers 18:32:51 Mozilla Firefox help is HTML, but alt="" on all images. 18:35:11 but has text that is a link that is meaningful 18:37:24 Jim suggests that an IMG doesn't need alt or title if it's in a containing element that also includes text (e.g. a link, or an H1), but I don't think that would be good enough, especially if the containing element is something such as P that often contains a lot of diverse content, including multiple images. 18:39:47 it appears the help across browsers is accessible. 18:40:08 rrsagent, make minutes 18:40:08 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-ua-minutes.html allanj 18:41:31 Judy has joined #ua 18:42:31 Puffin (mobile) as accessible help 18:42:39 rrsagent, make minutes 18:42:39 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-ua-minutes.html allanj 18:44:21 zakim, please part 18:44:21 leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Jim, Greg, Eric, Judy, Kim 18:44:21 Zakim has left #ua 18:44:28 rrsagent, make minutes 18:44:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-ua-minutes.html allanj 18:45:02 rrsagent, please part 18:45:02 I see no action items