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15:03:35 <chaals> agenda+ MediaController
15:03:47 <chaals> zakim, clear agenda
15:03:47 <Zakim> agenda cleared
15:03:57 <chaals> agenda+ More for the agenda?
15:03:57 <chaals> agenda+ accesskey
15:03:57 <chaals> agenda+ meeting at tpac
15:03:57 <chaals> agenda+ workplan - what do we have to work on?
15:04:01 <chaals> agenda+ MediaController
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15:06:19 <JF> Present+ JF
15:06:22 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
15:06:44 <chaals> -> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m698e501ae0e49419de5fe033e83179be dial-in
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15:07:22 <ShaneM> scribenick: ShaneM
15:07:49 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item 1
15:07:49 <Zakim> agendum 1. "More for the agenda?" taken up [from chaals]
15:07:58 <ShaneM> Nothing more for the agenda.
15:08:51 <chaals> zakim, close item 1
15:08:51 <Zakim> agendum 1, More for the agenda?, closed
15:08:53 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:08:53 <Zakim> 2. accesskey [from chaals]
15:09:13 <ShaneM> zakim, take up item 2
15:09:13 <Zakim> agendum 2. "accesskey" taken up [from chaals]
15:09:23 <chaals> -> http://chaals.github.io/accesskey/index.src.html draft accesskey spec
15:09:52 <ShaneM> clarified some of the motivation.  There are some things that we need to work through.
15:10:33 <ShaneM> It can be looked at now.  Comment on it if you think there are things that need to be changed or are missing.
15:10:43 <JF> Q+
15:10:50 <ShaneM> plh: The proposal doesn't really cover what is wrong with the current accesskey
15:11:04 <JF> ack JF
15:11:12 <ShaneM> chaals: yes - I need to gather that up and incorporate it.  THere are bugs against the current accesskey that might give you some hints.
15:11:15 <Judy> q+
15:11:47 <ShaneM> JF: I maintain that it is horribly broken.  Conflict resolution, discoverability, internationalization.
15:12:12 <ShaneM> plh: And I don't disagree.  I just wanted it to be incorporated into the proposal.
15:12:23 <ShaneM> ... we expect people to read a proposal and have it be freestanding.
15:12:49 <chaals> -> https://github.com/chaals/accesskey/issues/4 issue based on PLH's comment
15:12:50 <ShaneM> Judy: Same comment.  Also we should get review specifically on the existing objections.
15:13:11 <ShaneM> ... there is a lot of agreement among a11y experts that accesskey is broken.  Not a lot of agreement on how to fix it.
15:13:29 <ShaneM> ... there might be some movement behind the scenes on this.
15:13:48 <ShaneM> ... lets be sure to justify the proposal based upon all the previous discussions.
15:14:16 <ShaneM> ... doesn't preclude people raising questions.  But Maybe it will help eliminate some of the questions.
15:14:30 <ShaneM> chaals: note that this is a pre-proposal.  It has not been taken up yet.
15:14:33 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
15:14:34 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, ShaneM
15:14:38 <chaals> ack j
15:14:45 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
15:14:45 <Zakim> agendum 3. "meeting at tpac" taken up [from chaals]
15:15:13 <ShaneM> We are scheduled at 4pm on Friday.
15:15:48 <ShaneM> will develop the future plan and work plan.  hope to coordinate with those we do not normally see.
15:16:00 <ShaneM> ... might not reach formal resolution on the work items though.
15:16:15 <Judy> s/Also we should get review specifically on the existing objections/Also we should be sure to include a rationale for why we are promoting this particular approach, since there is less consensus on the approach than the simple point of current access key being broken.
15:16:27 <ShaneM> plh: do we know where we are meeting?
15:16:34 <ShaneM> chaals: we will take a part of the PF meeting.
15:16:53 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
15:16:53 <Zakim> agendum 4. "workplan - what do we have to work on?" taken up [from chaals]
15:17:22 <ShaneM> chaals: it has been about 6 months since we looked at the list.
15:17:40 <ShaneM> ... what things are important and who is prepared to actually work on them?
15:17:58 <JF> +1 to @transcript
15:18:10 <ShaneM> chaals: on my personal list is transcript, accesskey, and datepickers
15:19:03 <JF> Q+ to ask about Panels status
15:19:15 <ShaneM> Judy: question on datepickers...  It is on the tutorial wishlist.  What features are missing?
15:19:27 <ShaneM> chaals: well, it seems to not be implemented anywhere successfully yet.
15:19:38 <ShaneM> Judy: but that's not a feature problem.
15:19:49 <LJWatson> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Datepickers
15:19:58 <ShaneM> chaals: well... it isn't clear that we even know how to do this (in an accessible way)
15:20:00 <ShaneM> q?
15:20:11 <chaals> ack shane
15:20:32 <ShaneM> LJWatson: that link was the original work that had been done on datepickers
15:20:43 <ShaneM> JF: what about work on panels?  Is that still an open action item?
15:20:59 <ShaneM> chaals: that is just general HTML work.  and it is still an open action item
15:21:00 <JF> ack JF
15:21:00 <Zakim> JF, you wanted to ask about Panels status
15:21:33 <chaals> SM: CAPTCHA is a hot-button of Janina's
15:21:38 <Judy> q+
15:21:42 <chaals> ack ju
15:22:15 <ShaneM> Judy: It is in APA.  It will be coordinated closely with WCAG.
15:22:48 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
15:22:48 <Zakim> agendum 5. "MediaController" taken up [from chaals]
15:23:24 <Judy> q+
15:23:55 <ShaneM> chaals: I sent something saying that this is not an A11Y issue particularly.  The stuff that it does is syntactic sugar.
15:24:18 <ShaneM> ... there are people who think there are other use cases, but the main use case seems to be artistic
15:24:38 <chaals> ack ju
15:24:55 <chaals> s/think there are/have demonstrated/
15:25:12 <ShaneM> ... blink has removed the code for media controller.  Safari seems to have it.  We will see how it shakes out.
15:25:44 <chaals> q+
15:25:45 <ShaneM> Judy: There are some others who have an interest in this space.  If they were to agree there was not an issue, that might make me more confortable.
15:26:06 <ShaneM> ... maybe we could get them on a call to explain the alternate approaches and ensure they are on board.
15:26:25 <ShaneM> ... John, do you know either of them?  (SCRIBE NOTE - I missed their names)
15:26:51 <ShaneM> JF: I don't know them either.
15:27:08 <ShaneM> Judy: They might be good people to know.
15:27:29 <chaals> ack me
15:28:07 <ShaneM> JF: I would be happy to talk with them.  We can sort of do this now.  popcorn.js would allow us to do something very similar today.
15:28:31 <ShaneM> LJWatson: It is an important distinction to make.  It isn't unimportant, it is just that there is a way to do it already.
15:28:47 <ShaneM> chaals: It would be good to let them know that we want feedback.
15:28:56 <JF> Q+
15:29:17 <ShaneM> chaals: I think it would be good to get them on a call.
15:29:32 <Judy> JB: has been asking input from Christian Vogler, lead tech guy at Gallaudet University, and Howard Rosenblum, CEO of (US) National Association of the Deaf
15:29:36 <ShaneM> Judy: I have asked them when they would have feedback, but they have not really committed yet.
15:31:21 <chaals> ack j
15:31:47 <ShaneM> JF: Leonie made mention of the fact that there are ways of doing it now.  If so, let's get that well documented and put in a central location.
15:32:03 <chaals> q+
15:32:10 <ShaneM> ... maybe collect some of the proof of concept examples.  Talk to EO about it?
15:32:32 <chaals> ack me
15:32:38 <ShaneM> Judy: It could be if we agree that the examples are strong.
15:33:16 <ShaneM> chaals: sounds like it might end up as a work item.  Maybe an HTML change.  video / audio components of HTML could maybe do with a note about how to synchronize with captions or signing.
15:33:35 <Judy> [JB: had requested that someone take an action item last time to give a heads up to developers that input may be coming -- but can't access those minutes now]
15:33:46 <ShaneM> rrsagent. make minutes
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15:34:27 <ShaneM> rrsagent, help
15:35:02 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
15:35:02 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html ShaneM
15:35:28 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here
15:35:28 <Zakim> ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?'
15:35:30 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
15:35:30 <Zakim> Present: Judy, plh, Alex, John, Charles, Cynthia, Janina, Leonie, Joanmarie, LJWatson, JF, ShaneM
15:35:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see Judy, plh, RRSAgent, chaals, ShaneM, joanie, janina, liam, sivoais, Zakim, trackbot
15:35:47 <Judy> present+ Judy
15:35:58 <Judy> zakim, who is here?
15:35:58 <Zakim> Present: Judy, plh, Alex, John, Charles, Cynthia, Janina, Leonie, Joanmarie, LJWatson, JF, ShaneM
15:36:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see Judy, plh, RRSAgent, chaals, ShaneM, joanie, janina, liam, sivoais, Zakim, trackbot
15:36:32 <Judy> zakim, you're confused
15:36:32 <Zakim> I don't understand 'you're confused', Judy
15:37:45 <Judy> rrsagent, make log public
15:38:23 <ShaneM> rrsagent. make minutes
15:38:31 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
15:38:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html ShaneM
15:39:13 <ShaneM> Meeting: HTML A11Y Task Force
15:39:27 <ShaneM> Chair: Charles
15:39:41 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
15:39:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/22-html-a11y-minutes.html ShaneM
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