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14:56:51 Zakim, this will be 63342
14:56:51 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:56:52 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:56:52 Date: 20 October 2015
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14:58:22 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Oct/0062.html
14:59:36 present+ paulc
14:59:44 zakim, who is present?
14:59:44 I don't understand your question, paulc.
14:59:53 zakim, who is here?
14:59:53 Present: paulc
14:59:55 On IRC I see MattWolenetz, Zakim, RRSAgent, ddorwin, paulc, robink, cwilso, slightlyoff, adrianba, trackbot
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15:00:40 present+ MattWolenetz
15:00:50 present+ markw
15:00:53 present+ markw
15:01:02 present+ ddorwin
15:01:14 present + joesteele
15:01:24 scribenick: joesteele
15:01:25 present+ joesteele
15:01:27 chair: paulc
15:01:33 zakim, who is here?
15:01:33 Present: paulc, MattWolenetz, markw, ddorwin, joesteele
15:01:35 On IRC I see joesteele, markw, MattWolenetz, Zakim, RRSAgent, ddorwin, paulc, robink, cwilso, slightlyoff, adrianba, trackbot
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15:03:13 zakim, who is here?
15:03:13 Present: paulc, MattWolenetz, markw, ddorwin, joesteele
15:03:15 present+ davide
15:03:15 On IRC I see davide, joesteele, markw, MattWolenetz, Zakim, RRSAgent, ddorwin, paulc, robink, cwilso, slightlyoff, adrianba, trackbot
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15:03:42 topic: discussion of issue-85 with TAG
15:03:54 The TAG issue on this as no updates (https://github.com/w3ctag/spec-reviews/issues/73)
15:04:21 paulc: sent a note to Travis yesterday and he said he would come today, but nothing written yet so we asked him to update their issue-73 or our issue-85 instead
15:04:24 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/85
15:04:44 … will put this on the F2F agenda if non progress
15:04:59 … not sure whether they will be in Sapporo
15:05:09 … but something written would be preferable
15:05:17 +1 from the croud
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15:05:22 s/croud/crowd/
15:05:26 present+ jdsmith
15:05:28 ddorwin: +1
15:05:38 paulc: ok will keep pushing
15:05:45 … see what we can do before then
15:05:52 topic: Media TF F2F
15:05:57 See http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Oct/0052.html
15:06:12 paulc: as co-chair — I sent a message to all folks who had registered
15:06:22 … over 75 observers
15:06:33 … some groups have been re-labeled
15:06:49 effectively only Media TF is meeting not HTML WG
15:07:13 … I will put the arhcive in the minute
15:07:28 ?1: for folks not attending in person, we are not registered
15:07:41 Draft agenda: http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2015-10-Agenda
15:07:53 paulc: working on draft Agenda for F2F but no progress as yet
15:08:08 … spending time working on MSE and EME issues (they are doing the work)
15:08:09 (under construction)
15:08:17 … lots of stuff being done via email
15:08:27 … lots of progress being made
15:08:45 Proposal: Draft plan is for MSE to be discussed on Thu Oct 29 and EME on Fri Oct 30.
15:09:01 … one of the main items to confirm with EME folks — this proposal will be discussed on Thursday and Froday
15:09:09 s/Froday/Friday
15:09:16 s/Froday/Friday/
15:09:34 paulc: 16 hours time diffeence — so remote attendance on Friday is difficult
15:09:46 ddorwin: I can try to participate on Friday — see what the agenda is
15:10:20 paulc: Matt asked previously what the distributed meeting logistics are — don’t know yet
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15:10:37 … have moved away from Zakim to CIsco/Polycom and will be done via the web
15:10:44 … have not seen the arrangements yet
15:10:50 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:10:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/20-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:11:07 paulc: stay tuned. I will email folks I expect to be remote directly
15:11:15 … any other questions on this?
15:11:28 present+ plh
15:11:28 topic: updating MSE/EME issue tags and milestones
15:11:31 http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Oct/0056.html
15:11:39 paulc: email from Matt is our bets guide
15:12:09 MattWolenetz: look at the email I sent
15:12:27 … for MSE it was pretty simple, not too many bugs so may not have used all the labels
15:12:47 … some mis-interpretation last week, but moving past that
15:13:03 … needs clarification can be a bug filer not the web author
15:13:13 … e.g. providing justification etc.
15:13:29 .. “needs followup” is a msg to the editors (form themselves) to investigate further
15:13:49 … “needs implementation” means editors have agreed and just need to make the pull request
15:13:52 Are the Editors planning to remove the tag “needs implementation” off of issues when they are actually implemented and closed?
15:14:08 s/bets/best/
15:14:27 MattWolenetz: if bug is closed that would seem appropriate — David?
15:14:41 ddorwin: yes we can take it off. Should show up in another list thoough
15:15:03 jdsmith: whether or not we strip it off will not show up in the normal view
15:15:31 paulc: when looking for all issues, some closed issues had “needs implementation” set — that seems wierd
15:15:43 … would seem good to take this off
15:15:55 pal: maybe that should be a separate issue
15:16:11 jdsmith: I have no objection to clearing those irrelevant flags
15:16:20 ddorwin: we would need to clean up 22 of them.
15:16:37 … “needs implementation” refers to spec and not the agent implementation
15:16:42 … need another tags here?
15:16:49 s/tags here/tag here/
15:17:01 paulc: so editors can use that as their work queue
15:17:32 MattWolenetz: agree with the discussion and the point about the agent implementation
15:17:47 … “blocked” means an external issue or another github issue
15:18:02 … “feature request” refers to a new use case not covered by the current spec
15:18:16 … this may be assigned to a future milestone
15:18:59 … “interoperability” refers to a lof of issues but meant as a severity flag — e.g. known incompatibilities, breaking stuff
15:19:10 … spec needs works here
15:19:25 … “wont fix”, “invalid”, “dup” these are things that should be closed
15:19:55 … Milestones should be followed with a digit — had some discussion re: v.Next as a version
15:20:05 … alphabetical sort could be an issue
15:20:23 … means issue is not in-scope of the current spec but good to track
15:20:48 paulc: david - anything to add?
15:21:05 ddorwin: no - did a lot of changing of tags and labels to match this
15:21:12 q+
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15:21:21 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/20-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:21:34 ack joe
15:22:09 joesteele” was everything moved over?
15:22:26 paulc: 100% was moved over from bugzilla
15:22:42 … yesterday some of the EME issues started to be moved over
15:22:56 ddorwin: moved the clearly actionable ones over
15:22:56 correction: s/100%/100% of MSE/
15:23:09 … there was one about distinctive identifiers I have not had time yet
15:23:17 … the rest I need to talk to the filers again
15:23:25 jdsmith: how many of those are there?
15:23:29 ddorwin: 8-10
15:23:35 paulc: there were 16 before
15:23:51 s/100% was/100% of MSE were/
15:24:09 ddorwin: 2 will be moved still and 6 we need to discuss
15:24:24 paulc: lets get the link in there
15:24:29 EME remaining Bugzilla bugs: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&component=Encrypted%20Media%20Extensions&list_id=60287&product=HTML%20WG&query_format=advanced
15:24:45 ddorwin: I will moved 27168 and 27268
15:24:48 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27168
15:24:51 s/will moved/will move/
15:24:54 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27268
15:25:11 paulc: for the other 6, plan is to discuss?
15:25:20 ddorwin: jerry and I can talk about these
15:25:41 paulc: like to make progress on those by the F2F
15:25:54 … some of these you might want to go back to the original correspondent
15:26:01 … need help?
15:26:15 jdsmith: some might get closed instead of moved
15:26:44 ddorwin: e.g. the big “needs interop” bug — we need to track somewhere but not sure how to move
15:26:59 paulc: any advice?
15:27:01 What to do about the scope related bug: https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=20944 about CDN interop?
15:27:21 s/CDN/CDM/
15:27:23 pal: I agree with David, we have to track this somewhere. Better to track as a bug but maybe with a flag saying not a blocker
15:27:29 … that flag may be controversial
15:27:44 s/pal:/phl:/
15:28:00 paulc: david you are making great progress
15:28:07 rrsagent, generate minutes
15:28:07 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/20-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:28:10 s/phl/plh/
15:28:38 Topic: Review of tags on 19 EME issues (open and NOT "needs implementation")
15:28:52 paulc: that number could be wrong now
15:28:54 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues?utf8=%E2%9C%93&q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+-label%3A%22needs+implementation%22
15:29:15 paulc: link takes you to issue search
15:29:33 … these do not have “needs implementation” yet
15:29:41 … some have
15:29:55 … “help wanted” or “needs followup”
15:30:06 … how are we communicating this out to folks on the list
15:30:21 … or the appropriate people on the list
15:30:32 ddorwin: some folks we do not have an owner
15:30:40 … might not need to be an editor
15:30:51 … almost like “to be impleented”
15:31:12 paulc: I have some on the agenda, since we are clear on what the status is now — lets drop into that part of the agenda
15:31:29 paulc: still a huge backlog of “to be implemented” — 18 last night
15:31:40 … link coming
15:31:49 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/labels/needs%20implementation
15:32:21 paulc: think this shows only open issues by default
15:33:49 ddorwin: searches sometimes include pull requests as well — watch for that
15:34:14 topic: ISSUE-98 - Decide on ideal "waitingforkey" event behavior when update() doesn't resume playback
15:34:22 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/98
15:34:29 paulc: agenda has short status
15:34:37 … needs author input and feedback
15:34:51 … david who should we be targeting
15:35:06 ddorwin: I use this when it affects the authors — they need to pay attention t this
15:35:13 … could send an email on this
15:35:20 s/t this/to this/
15:35:29 … this is about how they want the UA to behave
15:35:36 … I have a suggestion in there already
15:35:48 David's change proposal is here: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/98#issuecomment-147801649
15:36:11 paulc: think we need the feedback on this — possibly resolve before F2F is not put on the agenda there
15:36:14 topic: ISSUE-99 - Remove note recommending setMediaKeys() be called before providing media data
15:36:20 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/99
15:36:27 paulc: marked as “needs review”
15:36:47 ddorwin: I have a comment in 8 on this — not sure why this was added
15:36:56 … think we should remove this
15:37:05 … will assign to Jerry to comment
15:37:20 jdsmith: I will make sure we have feedback
15:37:23 topic: ISSUE-100 - Is "running the Encrypted Block Encountered algorithm" the correct way to Attempt to Resume Playback If Necessary?
15:37:32 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/100
15:37:55 ddorwin: this is really spec input — please review
15:38:11 … probably does not impact interop — discovered via another bug
15:38:20 paulc: anyone want to take this on?
15:39:10 joesteele: I will put this to our internal team as well as anyone else
15:39:19 … try to get some feedback
15:39:26 markw: I am happy to look at it
15:39:44 topic: ISSUE-101 - Normatively require distinctive identifiers to be different by top-level and EME-using origin
15:39:52 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/101
15:39:52 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27269
15:40:11 ddorwin: next 6 or so are brought over from bugzilla
15:40:16 … this one is on me
15:40:34 topic: ISSUE-102 - Define what to do when CDM becomes unavailable
15:40:42 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/101
15:40:43 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27067
15:41:02 really this is : https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/102
15:41:09 ddorwin: not assigned yet
15:41:17 … probably low priority
15:41:29 joesteele: I will ask Chris Pearce for more feedback
15:41:53 paulc: make sure he is aware where where the conversation has moved
15:42:05 topic: EME Initialization Data Correlation
15:42:28 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Oct/0020.html
15:42:29 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Oct/0022.html
15:42:47 paulc: original emails are linked — raised by DASH.JS work
15:43:08 … somebody responded, but no responses from the editors yet
15:43:15 … how should we process?
15:43:26 … long responses
15:43:35 … David or Jerry have you looked?
15:44:04 paulc: want to make sure someone is on point to answer
15:44:18 … and whether the answer makes sense
15:44:30 jdsmith: discussed with our media team
15:44:42 ddorwin: raises some issues we have discussed before and avoided
15:44:58 … causes some architectural issues — Jerry can take this on
15:45:06 … long discussion
15:45:21 rrsaegent, generate minutes
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15:45:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/20-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:45:48 ddorwin: looks to be about non-identical initData and deducing what to do
15:45:52 … we have discussed
15:46:00 … other issues also
15:46:11 jdsmith: are those issues related?
15:46:19 paulc: one is a reply to the other
15:46:31 topic: ISSUES 103 through 110
15:46:44 paulc: look at these at a high level
15:46:47 q+
15:47:27 plh: there is a general issue on dependencies in the specification — this is touching on the WebIDL
15:47:38 … there are two versions of WebIDL today
15:47:51 … the Web Platform WG has not decided what they want to do with theirs
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15:48:13 … and there is a new one — with a reduced set of features which they believe can be moved to recommendation
15:48:16 ISSUE-107: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/107
15:48:16 Notes added to ISSUE-107 .
15:48:19 … Web IDL Level 1
15:48:48 … they mentioned a few issues but think they are in WebIDL Level 1 — when we move to CR can we trust these dependencies
15:49:15 … if we move too early they may have moved and we need to recreate dependencies again and again
15:49:33 … my recommnedation is to not worry about this yet, until we know one will be a problem
15:49:53 paulc: at what point should we do this? we have a LC-CR bug already
15:50:01 plh: I am talking about the move to PR
15:50:07 … this is even later
15:50:35 … we should not ait to the last minute, but if EME draft is not stable enough yet we should wait, maybe David can tell us?
15:50:59 ddorwin: other than “iterable” these are pretty stable, we can correct the issues now or wait until PR
15:51:22 plh: I would not worry for intermediate drafts, but for the move to rec and v.Next we need to do this
15:51:32