12:54:20 RRSAgent has joined #dwbp 12:54:20 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/10/09-dwbp-irc 12:54:22 RRSAgent, make logs 351 12:54:22 Zakim has joined #dwbp 12:54:24 Zakim, this will be DWBP 12:54:24 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 12:54:25 Meeting: Data on the Web Best Practices Working Group Teleconference 12:54:25 Date: 09 October 2015 12:54:36 zakim, code? 12:54:36 I have been told this is DWBP, WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9 or +1-617-324-0000 (US Toll Number) Access code: 645 329 153, Password 12:54:39 ... dwbp. Host Key: 641444 12:55:05 PeterWinstanley has joined #dwbp 12:55:22 present+ PeterWinstanley 12:56:03 Caroline_ has joined #DWBP 12:57:12 MTCarrasco has joined #dwbp 12:58:28 riccardoAlbertoni has joined #DWBP 13:00:26 present+ MTCarrasco 13:00:31 present+ phila 13:00:51 annette_g has joined #dwbp 13:01:14 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151009 13:01:21 chair: hadley 13:01:28 Hello! 13:01:51 Uh oh… the webex link is gone. 13:01:56 zakim, code? 13:01:56 I have been told this is DWBP, WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9 or +1-617-324-0000 (US Toll Number) Access code: 645 329 153, Password 13:01:56 hello! 13:01:59 ... dwbp. Host Key: 641444 13:02:14 PeterWinstanley__ has joined #dwbp 13:02:17 present+ riccardoAlbertoni 13:02:27 Present+ Caroline_ 13:02:38 zakim, who is here? 13:02:38 Present: PeterWinstanley, MTCarrasco, phila, riccardoAlbertoni, Caroline_ 13:02:40 On IRC I see PeterWinstanley__, annette_g, riccardoAlbertoni, MTCarrasco, Caroline_, Zakim, RRSAgent, fradulov, nandana, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot 13:02:46 hi everyone 13:03:19 zakim, who is here? 13:03:19 Present: PeterWinstanley, MTCarrasco, phila, riccardoAlbertoni, Caroline_ 13:03:21 On IRC I see PeterWinstanley__, annette_g, riccardoAlbertoni, MTCarrasco, Caroline_, Zakim, RRSAgent, fradulov, nandana, phila, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot 13:03:23 present+ hadleybeeman 13:03:46 present+ nandana 13:04:00 present+ fradulov 13:04:23 I'm not in to the webex yet. It's asking for a meeting, event, or session number? 13:04:31 present+ PeterWinstanley 13:04:55 annette_g: paste in the webex link 13:05:04 https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9 13:05:07 I did, same as ever 13:05:14 how strange 13:05:24 zakim, code? 13:05:24 I have been told this is DWBP, WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m2c0af451188e3c2177f8d56453c588e9 or +1-617-324-0000 (US Toll Number) Access code: 645 329 153, Password 13:05:26 Ah, yours works better 13:05:28 ... dwbp. Host Key: 641444 13:06:23 laufer has joined #dwbp 13:06:46 present + annette_g 13:06:51 antoine has joined #dwbp 13:06:58 I can scribe 13:07:03 scribe: annette_g 13:07:17 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-18 13:07:20 present+ antoine 13:07:27 PROPOSED: accept last week's minutes 13:07:31 +0 (wasn't here) 13:07:37 +1 13:07:39 +1 13:07:43 +1 13:07:44 +1 13:07:48 +1 13:07:48 +1 13:07:48 +1 13:08:19 +1 13:08:28 RESOLVED: Minutes from http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-18 accepted 13:08:28 RESOLVED: approve last week's minutes 13:08:35 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-24 13:08:40 ericstephan has joined #dwbp 13:08:40 present+ laufer 13:08:58 That's harder - we talked for a long time! 13:09:01 PROPOSED: accept minutes from F2F 13:09:06 +1 (delayed) 13:09:12 +1 I've just re-read them entirely, they're good :-) 13:09:13 0 13:09:13 adler1 has joined #dwbp 13:09:14 http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/dwbp/2015-09-25 13:09:17 +1 13:09:18 +1 13:09:25 +1 13:09:26 +0 (wasn't there :( ) 13:09:26 +1 13:09:34 +0 13:09:48 +1 13:09:50 +1 13:10:01 +1 13:10:03 +1 But I can see I need to clean those minutes up 13:10:08 RESOLVED: accept minutes from F2F 13:10:33 gm 13:11:10 hadleybeeman: goes over the agenda 13:11:19 ericstephan present+ 13:11:28 zakim, who is here? 13:11:28 Present: PeterWinstanley, MTCarrasco, phila, riccardoAlbertoni, Caroline_, hadleybeeman, nandana, fradulov, antoine, laufer 13:11:30 On IRC I see adler1, ericstephan, antoine, laufer, PeterWinstanley__, annette_g, riccardoAlbertoni, MTCarrasco, Caroline_, Zakim, RRSAgent, fradulov, nandana, phila, hadleybeeman, 13:11:30 ... rhiaro, trackbot 13:11:48 hadleybeeman: can you review where we are on the DUV, ericstephan? 13:12:04 ericstephan: we met to review and see if we can get a request for comments 13:12:38 present+ Steve, Eric S, Annette, Riccardo 13:12:40 we are developing ideas around DUV feedback and citation, trying to make them more clearly spelled out 13:13:13 hadleybeeman: any questions? 13:13:27 silence ensues 13:13:51 Caroline_: Newton and Bernadette send regrets 13:13:56 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/wiki/F2F_S%C3%A3o_Paulo_-_Agenda_Proposal_DWBP 13:14:10 It would be nice to close some of the last issues from the F2F 13:14:17 Other Open Issues - To be discussed/closed before the F2F or if we have time during the F2F 13:14:23 the only ones we couldnt are the ones at the end of the list 13:14:43 The meeting has moved on but I wanted to note the work at http://www.sparontologies.net/ which shows more organisational support for CITO etc. 13:14:53 issue-93? 13:14:53 issue-93 -- Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing -- open 13:14:53 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/93 13:14:54 ISSUE-93: Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing 13:14:54 Notes added to ISSUE-93 Free Open Data SLAs for Open Data publishing. 13:15:02 Caroline_: let's see if we can close this issue. 13:15:09 thank you I look forward to seeing this @phila! 13:16:06 q+ 13:16:59 phila: in Sao Paolo, there was a lot of discussion around what an SLA is. It's a kind of pledge. It fits into all sorts of places. I think it's useful to have, but I have to do more thinking. We have to support making comments on the publisher rather than the data itself 13:17:03 ack adler1 13:17:14 Q? 13:17:17 ack a 13:17:41 adler1: at IBM we talk about a content level agreement, which is a little different from an SLA. 13:18:07 hadleybeeman: where does that leave you, Caroline? 13:18:22 Caroline_: not sure if we can close the issue. Phil? 13:18:56 phila: ODS certificates certify that the data was produced according to a pipeline, no comment on the quality itself. "Data produced in accordance with..." 13:19:24 q+ 13:19:35 phila: it's up to the DQV folks to decide to include it if it makes sense to them. In the BP doc, we can say it's useful to say that it's useful 13:19:41 agree 13:19:41 s/ODS/ODI/ 13:19:51 hadleybeeman: does that close the issue? 13:20:29 ack lau 13:20:31 Caroline_: I think Antoine and Riccardo should weigh in 13:21:48 laufer: we have assertions about the quality of a thing, we have a vocab for that. We have intentions of things to be done about the process, and then we have an SLA, a commitment to do a thing in a certain way. These are two different things. 13:22:06 q+ 13:22:07 Here is an interesting vocab efforts that includes a vocabulary for SLA http://linked-usdl.org/ http://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/usdl/ 13:22:17 ack riccardo 13:22:53 riccardoAlbertoni: we have an action on DQV to figure out in which terms we will address this in the vocab. 13:22:56 q+ 13:23:11 ack caro 13:23:28 Caroline_: maybe it can wait to see what riccardoAlbertoni and antoine decide. 13:23:39 hadleybeeman: anyone against? 13:23:43 silence ensues 13:23:51 action-203? 13:23:51 action-203 -- Riccardo Albertoni to Add an example with an sla as quality policy, trying to use the same dimensions as metrics and annotations -- due 2015-10-01 -- OPEN 13:23:51 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/203 13:24:07 there's also https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/199 13:24:14 phila: we have action 203 that can be closed and defer to the DQV action. 13:24:47 Caroline_: I think we can close the issue and create an action to decide how to implement in the BP doc. 13:25:20 ACTION: Caroline_ to check what DQV has done about SLAs. 13:25:20 Error finding 'Caroline_'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:25:27 action: burle to check what DQV folks have done about issue-93 13:25:27 Created ACTION-211 - Check what dqv folks have done about issue-93 [on Caroline Burle - due 2015-10-16]. 13:26:11 close issue-93 13:26:11 Closed issue-93. 13:26:16 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2729758/ the 'Terminology Review Criteria' might be helpful in the discussion 13:26:32 issue-94? 13:26:32 issue-94 -- Dataset versioning and dataset replication -- open 13:26:32 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/94 13:26:40 Caroline_: next issue, data set versioning. can it be closed? 13:26:41 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/94 13:27:45 phila: this is pretty old, trying to recall the meaning of it 13:28:31 hadleybeeman: quotes a note pointing out that it might be good to avoid tying ourselves to specific tools 13:28:38 q+ to talk about http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/ec/ 13:28:48 I was looking at this: http://www.w3.org/mid/8CE0D584-8E19-4881-9C87-D0BB98F48A55%2540lbl.gov 13:28:56 ack me 13:28:56 phila, you wanted to talk about http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/ec/ 13:29:35 -> http://www.w3.org/2013/share-psi/bp/ec/ Crowdsourcing BP 13:29:53 phila: one issue in SharePSI is around crowdsourcing, saying it's a really good idea. It talks about using GitHub. 13:30:30 q? 13:30:35 phila: if this group is not happy about making a rec about policy stuff, we can at least know that SharePSI is covering it. 13:31:06 hadleybeeman: to me crowdsourcing is more about collection of data than publishing it. Glad that SharePSI is doing that. 13:31:17 Caroline_: still not sure if we can close this 13:31:51 hadleybeeman: we can add a note to the issue 13:32:53 hadleybeeman: adds a note 13:33:24 hadleybeeman: now what do we do with the issue? somebody needs to get back to Peter Hanacek. 13:33:46 hadleybeeman: we have to be able to show that we've resolved all the issues. 13:34:21 phila: notes a way to contact Peter via a common project with Deirdre. 13:34:38 action: Deirdre to follow up on issue-94 with COMSODE project 13:34:41 Created ACTION-212 - Follow up on issue-94 with comsode project [on Deirdre Lee - due 2015-10-16]. 13:34:59 * phila, you rock on Zakim 13:35:11 Caroline_: we can close this one 13:35:18 issue-148? 13:35:18 issue-148 -- Can we use the five star rating system as a BP document metric to describe Open Data instead of a path to LD? -- open 13:35:18 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/148 13:36:51 ericstephan: we were grappling with whether there is a way we can characterize open data. Let me dig through earlier meeting notes and look at it again next week. 13:37:15 Caroline_: can we close it and reopen by email if needed? 13:37:18 q+ 13:37:32 Dee https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Mar/0102.html 13:37:55 so what's the action?? 13:38:36 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentifiers 13:39:33 phila: a big hole has been pointed out in the BP doc. in the section on identifiers, we say use persistent IDs and another one says you should assign URIs to datasets. We need something that says you should make use of URIs as identifiers *within* datasets 13:39:55 phila: I'm hoping that will help address Eric Wilde's issue. 13:40:15 hadleybeeman: that can help us get away from the contentious discussion about linked data. 13:41:10 ACTION: ericstephan to look into issue 148 and restart the conversion or close the issue 13:41:11 Created ACTION-213 - Look into issue 148 and restart the conversion or close the issue [on Eric Stephan - due 2015-10-16]. 13:41:21 Yes I'll send out an email 13:41:34 thank you, ericstephan! 13:41:47 Caroline_: issue-149 13:41:54 issue-149? 13:41:54 issue-149 -- How to handle metadata that is embedded in the document? -- open 13:41:54 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/149 13:42:11 issue-150? 13:42:11 issue-150 -- Decide how examples are included in bp doc -- open 13:42:11 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/150 13:42:28 Caroline_: the editors are open to discussion on this one. 13:42:46 we'd like to get some ideas 13:42:55 hadleybeeman: what specific questions are you asking? 13:43:27 q+ 13:43:28 Caroline_: input about how the examples should be included in the BP doc. right now they're in a very simple form. 13:43:39 … also, if you have examples to contribute, that would help. 13:43:39 ack phil 13:43:55 phila: I don't think an example can be too simple 13:44:13 q+ to talk about how people use examples in specs 13:44:25 phila: it shouldn't be too hard to talk about metadata that's embedded. It doesn't seem like a big issue. 13:44:43 ack eric 13:44:45 phila: you can have more than one example for an issue that's complex 13:44:46 newtoncalegari has joined #dwbp 13:45:14 ericstephan: was thinking about going back to the use case doc to glean examples 13:45:26 q? 13:45:52 ack h 13:45:52 hadleybeeman, you wanted to talk about how people use examples in specs 13:46:03 hadleybeeman: makes sense to me. Phil taught me that most people when they look at a spec, they look at examples and pictures rather than reading the words. 13:46:14 key point here about examples 13:46:28 hadleybeeman: they help people learn what they need. Keeping them simple is great. 13:46:44 Caroline_: I agree 100%. 13:46:49 q? 13:47:10 Caroline_: would anyone like to help us make examples, try to write about it as well? 13:47:12 I can help write some that relate to the data usage vocab 13:47:17 The mind is willing but not this side of TPAC 13:47:20 q+ 13:47:30 ack eric 13:48:06 ericstephan: in developing the DUV, that might help us tie things back to the BP doc. 13:48:20 Caroline_: we can close the issue. 13:48:25 maybe make an assignment table? 13:48:45 Caroline_: not sure if we should make an action 13:49:06 ericstephan: we could make a table for people to fill in examples 13:49:25 action to create the assignment table to fill examples 13:49:25 Error finding 'to'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:50:00 ericstephan: I'd be happy to help 13:50:46 action newtoncalegari to create the assignment table for relate people to work on examples 13:50:46 Created ACTION-214 - Create the assignment table for relate people to work on examples [on Newton Calegari - due 2015-10-16]. 13:51:15 close issue-150? 13:51:15 Closed issue-150. 13:51:40 q+ 13:51:50 hadleybeeman: we are running short on time. do we want to spend time on open issues or talk about DQV? 13:51:54 ack antoine 13:52:22 antoine: I'd like to do some basic discussion about DQV instead of open issues 13:52:46 phila has joined #dwbp 13:52:48 gotta drop 13:53:04 topic: Data Quality Vocab 13:53:16 antoine: there are some issues from the F2F that maybe we can close. 13:53:26 issue-185? 13:53:26 issue-185 -- dqv:QualityAnnotation modeling issues -- open 13:53:26 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/185 13:54:16 hadleybeeman: did the issue come from you? 13:54:19 That issue has a recorded resolution - that means it should probably be closed 13:54:30 antoine: yes, driven by a specific modeling question 13:54:40 close issue-185 13:54:40 Closed issue-185. 13:54:54 hadleybeeman: we have a recorded resolution on this 13:54:56 issue-184? 13:54:56 issue-184 -- Is an dqv:ServiceLevelAgreement a kind of certificate, or a standard? -- open 13:54:56 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/184 13:55:13 antoine: we have two resolutions for this one, and we opened a new issue 13:55:29 issue-199 13:55:29 issue-199 -- Is dqv:QualityPolicy a subclass of dcterms:Standard? -- open 13:55:29 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/199 13:55:39 close issue-184 13:55:39 Closed issue-184. 13:55:44 So I'd say that 184 can be closed and handed to 199 13:56:18 antoine: I was the one who raised this 13:56:19 action-201? 13:56:19 action-201 -- Antoine Isaac to Add note to dqv document seeking examples from external reviewers -- due 2015-10-01 -- OPEN 13:56:19 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/actions/201 13:56:33 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Sep/0093.html 13:56:46 closer action-201 13:56:49 antoine: that was an action on me, I sent an email to the list. 13:56:51 close action-201 13:56:51 Closed action-201. 13:57:15 https://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/201 13:57:44 antoine: new editorial issue Riccardo has raised about using instances of OA:motivation 13:58:06 issue-201? 13:58:06 issue-201 -- Should we exploit predefined instances of oa:Motivation to further characterize the UserQualityFeedback purposes? -- raised 13:58:06 http://www.w3.org/2013/dwbp/track/issues/201 13:58:12 antoine: the action is currently only raised as an issue. 13:58:41 antoine: riccardoAlbertoni has put some text asking feedback from readers. 13:59:06 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-dwbp-wg/2015Aug/0146.html 13:59:07 antoine: we need to come back to it with whatever feedback we receive 13:59:56 PeterWinstanley has joined #dwbp 14:00:08 Relation between DQV, ISO 19115/19157 and GeoDCAT-AP 14:00:08 antoine: ISO and DQV, I'd like to not loose track of these things 14:00:19 issue: relation between DQV, ISO 19115/19157 and GeoDCAT-AP 14:00:19 Created ISSUE-202 - Relation between dqv, iso 19115/19157 and geodcat-ap. Please complete additional details at . 14:00:57 antoine: there was a lot of discussion on this, but we are out of time now. 14:01:14 hadleybeeman: puts the email into the issue 14:01:20 hadleybeeman: \a\n 14:01:21 y 14:01:27 any other comments? 14:01:34 silence reigns 14:01:41 Regrets for next Friday (moving house) 14:01:50 hadleybeeman: reviews next week's agenda 14:02:00 I'll try and have something to offer on the Erik W issues for next week 14:02:19 q+ 14:02:24 hadleybeeman: if people want to suggest agenda items, feel free 14:02:26 q+ 14:02:53 antoine: can you take care of carrying on nandana and phila's items? 14:02:56 hadleybeeman: yep 14:02:58 ack antoine 14:03:20 Caroline_: let's keep talking about issues on email. editors will try to prioritize. 14:03:24 bye 14:03:29 have a good weekend! 14:03:29 bye all... nice to see you... 14:03:32 bye all! 14:03:38 bye! Thank you!! 14:03:40 s/phila/fadi 14:04:16 annette_g has left #dwbp 14:06:28 annette_g has joined #dwbp 14:06:34 annette_g has left #dwbp 14:09:04 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:09:12 RRSAgent, draft minutes 14:09:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/09-dwbp-minutes.html phila 17:14:17 JoaoPauloAlmeida has joined #dwbp 17:20:18 Zakim has left #dwbp 18:44:45 phila has joined #dwbp