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13:04:49 <Lisa_Seeman>  Chair:Lisa_Seeman  agenda: this agenda+ review actions, and timelines agenda+ personlization questions with Rich's changesagenda+ Issue papers - GA agenda+ Techniques - GA agenda+ Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion)agenda+ Other issue papers agenda+ be done
13:05:54 <Lisa_Seeman> Chair:Lisa_Seeman
13:05:56 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda: this
13:05:57 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ review actions, and timelines
13:05:59 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ personlization questions with Rich's changes
13:06:00 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Issue papers - GA
13:06:02 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Techniques - GA
13:06:03 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Next ftf ideas (TPAC and Katie suggestion)
13:06:05 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ Other issue papers
13:06:06 <Lisa_Seeman> agenda+ be done
13:06:24 <Lisa_Seeman> scribe: Mike_Pluke
13:07:08 <Lisa_Seeman> john questions
13:07:09 <Lisa_Seeman> gppi
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13:09:07 <Mike_Pluke> Agree that the COGA preferences ahould be compatible with (and not dependent on) GPII
13:10:46 <Lisa_Seeman> proposed new text: That means the end use could use an open source symbol set or buy the symbols and use them across different devices or applications.
13:11:43 <Mike_Pluke> We agree that we should not prevent people from using proprietary (charged for) symbol sets.
13:11:52 <Lisa_Seeman> That means the end use could use an open source symbol set or buy the symbols and use them across different devices or applications. Symbols could still be proprietary but they would also be interoperable
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13:15:17 <Mike_Pluke> We may need to clarify the use of the word "interoperable" (the surrounding content may clarify).
13:17:17 <Mike_Pluke> "Checking Readability" should be changed to "Check Readability". WCAG describes what is meant by "readability".
13:22:15 <Lisa_Seeman> Minimize the cognitive skills required to use the content when there is an alternative that achieves the same ends
13:23:49 <Mike_Pluke> WCAG will require positive alternatives to our wording.- but for now we agree that Lisa's revised wording is better.
13:28:30 <Mike_Pluke> Having 0 as a reserved digit for a human operator is relevant within VoiceXML
13:29:18 <Lisa_Seeman> next item
13:29:47 <Tony_Doran> Very sorry need to drop off for 5 minutes
13:30:13 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page#Current_schedules
13:30:35 <Mike_Pluke> Groups affected by us being behind timeline are WCAG and ARIA - hence Lisa's two drafts on ARIA and WCAG
13:31:50 <Lisa_Seeman> Aria for tpac
13:32:04 <Lisa_Seeman> wcag draft end of month
13:32:40 <Mike_Pluke> Deadlines: ARIA draft for TPAC, WCAG draft by the end of the month.
13:34:04 <Mike_Pluke> Proposal to change timelines to reflect ARIA and WCAG deadlines, with further editors drafts coming after these initial deadlines.
13:35:56 <Mike_Pluke> Editor's draft for ARIA by 25th October
13:36:13 <Mike_Pluke> Editor's draft for WCAG 1st November
13:36:35 <Mike_Pluke> First techniques also 1st November
13:39:25 <Lisa_Seeman> https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Open_Issues
13:49:01 <Mike_Pluke> Some doubt whether "importance" is the appropriate title of ARIA - maybe "frequency"?
13:50:41 <Mike_Pluke> James Crage raised serious testability concerns
13:55:16 <Tony_Doran> Apologies I need to drop off.
13:55:24 <Mike_Pluke> James Crage use of a better name than aria-destination was discussed (see https://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/cognitive-a11y-tf/wiki/Open_Issues )
13:56:07 <Mike_Pluke> Decided to look for a better name but keep the concept for aria-importance
13:56:49 <Mike_Pluke> Resolved that we do want to work on testing for personalization
13:57:40 <JohnRochford> From Merriam Webster, Importance synonyms: Synonyms big, consequential, earthshaking, earth-shattering, eventful, historic, major, material, meaningful, momentous, monumental, much, significant, substantial, tectonic, weighty
13:59:16 <Mike_Pluke> Recommend to make edge cases to allow for adaptations that are robust to be provided?
14:00:26 <JohnRochford> commonness, frequence, frequentness, prevalence = from Merriam Webster
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14:02:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/09-coga-minutes.html Lisa_Seeman
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14:03:06 <RRSAgent> I see no action items