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19:56:35 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
19:56:35 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
19:56:36 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
19:56:36 <trackbot> Date: 07 October 2015
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20:09:59 <RSheeter> Ken had commented "Adobe applications tend to prefer the horizontal advances in the CFF over those in the 'hmtx' table.", is that the comment you were referring to?
20:10:28 <RSheeter> present+
20:10:39 <RSheeter> scribenick: rsheeter
20:10:51 <RSheeter> Topic: Face to Face
20:11:30 <RSheeter> Where is it?!
20:11:40 <RSheeter> kuettel to tell us where
20:11:48 <jfkthame> RSheeter: yes, that sounds like what i recall. and i checked, the spec at https://www.microsoft.com/typography/otspec/hmtx.htm definitely says they should use hmtx widths
20:12:22 <RSheeter> That quote is from https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015May/0038.html
20:13:05 <RSheeter> kuettel: perhaps we should have an agenda? And maybe we could get the compression team to come tell us the latest on woff2, brotli perf gainz, etc
20:13:35 <RSheeter> Vlad: You are out of order, QUITE out of order!
20:14:04 <RSheeter> Vlad: (but it's ok)
20:14:36 <RSheeter> (I think me and jonathan are guilty too, having mixed in hmtx)
20:15:41 <RSheeter> Topic: HMTX
20:16:07 <RSheeter> in particular, making it optional, as proposed in https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-webfonts-wg/2015Oct/0009.html
20:17:34 <RSheeter> (basically we should allow null transform)
20:19:06 <RSheeter> (dissent fails to arise)
20:20:03 <RSheeter> jfkthame: Should we support a null transform (which would ahve to be 1) for glyf/loca
20:24:10 <RSheeter> kuettel: undoing the preproc may also be costly in time so for use cases where you decode many times it could be helpful
20:25:28 <RSheeter> we could gather size/time data for both options to better compare
20:27:47 <RSheeter> FYI we serve *only* woff2 to supporting Firefox versions; https://twitter.com/googlefonts/status/634031795059556352
20:28:04 <RSheeter> (discussion of using 0 for glyf/loca null transform, which would break all existing files)
20:29:46 <RSheeter> Vlad: messy short-term but perhaps better long-term?
20:31:03 <RSheeter> Vlad: null transform might also be useful to incremental/streaming fonts, as services like Typekit do
20:32:07 <RSheeter> jfkthame: We could even recommend "profiles" for usage (particularly as we get more transforms)
20:32:17 <RSheeter> (compact, fast, etc)
20:34:22 <RSheeter> Note also that if a caching client is doing the decode many times we could pay the decode fee (time) repeatedly
20:35:30 <RSheeter> action rsheeter Try time (decode) and size for null glyf/loca xform vs regular vs woff1
20:35:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-186 - Try time (decode) and size for null glyf/loca xform vs regular vs woff1 [on Roderick Sheeter - due 2015-10-14].
20:37:39 <RSheeter> Vlad: we agree to modify hmtx as suggested (0 is null transform and transform isn't mandated)
20:38:09 <RSheeter> action vlad Incorporate Jonathans hmtx suggestion into spec
20:38:09 <trackbot> Created ACTION-187 - Incorporate jonathans hmtx suggestion into spec [on Vladimir Levantovsky - due 2015-10-14].
20:39:46 <RSheeter> Topic: Face to Face timing
20:40:08 <RSheeter> Vlad: to accomodate time zones for jfkthame and Zurich probably want to do compression update first thing
20:40:39 <RSheeter> kuettel: Maybe compression 11am Sao Paulo time to allow for logistics
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20:42:29 <kuettel> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20151013&p1=268&p2=233
20:44:24 <RSheeter> All: discussion of what time will work for all locations, leaning to 10:30 or 11:00 am sao paulo time for compression. kuettel to confirm.
20:45:17 <RSheeter> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?iso=20151013&p1=268&p2=233&p3=136
20:45:31 <RSheeter> that's London, Zurich, and Sao Paulo
20:52:18 <RSheeter> Vlad: so we are planning compression update, test suite discussion, and planning for any future items. Also coffee.
20:57:57 <RSheeter> Topic: Scotch
20:58:00 <RSheeter> Topic: Fin
20:58:34 <RSheeter> zakim, list attendees
20:58:34 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been RSheeter
20:58:44 <RSheeter> present+ vlad
20:58:49 <RSheeter> present+ kuettel
20:58:54 <RSheeter> present+ jfkthame
20:58:57 <RSheeter> zakim, list attendees
20:58:57 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been RSheeter, vlad, kuettel, jfkthame
20:59:04 <RSheeter> rrsagent, make minutes
20:59:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-webfonts-minutes.html RSheeter
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