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12:46:43 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SDW
12:46:43 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
12:46:44 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
12:46:44 <trackbot> Date: 07 October 2015
12:46:56 <phila_> chair: Ed
12:47:06 <phila_> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20151007
12:51:53 <eparsons> present+ eparsons
12:53:54 <eparsons> regrets+ Bart van Leeuwen, Rachel Heaven
12:54:40 <eparsons> regrets+ Jon Blower, Scott Simmons, Alejandro Llaves, Jeremy Tandy, Bill Roberts, Simon Cox
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12:56:39 <phila> zakim, code?
12:56:39 <Zakim> I have been told this is SDW WG WebEx: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m5d4e15eeb4c638daf43240722dd1490c or +1-617-324-0000 (US Toll Number) pw: SDWWG, Host key 870267
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13:02:41 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:02:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-sdw-minutes.html phila
13:02:49 <phila> zakim, who is here?
13:02:49 <Zakim> Present: eparsons, phila_, kerry, frans, LarsG, Payam, Linda
13:02:51 <Zakim> On IRC I see ahaller2, Linda, LarsG, AZ, frans, kerry, Payam, RRSAgent, Zakim, eparsons, phila, trackbot
13:03:01 <ahaller2> present+ ahaller2
13:03:20 <Payam> I can do
13:03:33 <eparsons> scribe: payam
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13:03:44 <eparsons> Topic: Approve Minutes
13:03:51 <eparsons> http://www.w3.org/2015/09/30-sdw-minutes.html
13:03:55 <Payam> +1
13:03:59 <kerry> scribenick: payam
13:04:00 <eparsons> +1
13:04:01 <Linda> +0 wasn't there
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13:04:15 <eparsons> PROPOSED: Accept last meeting minutes
13:04:16 <joshlieberman> present+ joshlieberman
13:04:19 <LarsG> 0 wasn't there
13:04:22 <eparsons> RESOLVED: Accept last meeting minutes
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13:04:34 <eparsons> Topic: Patent Call - https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
13:04:37 <phila> RESOLUTION: Accept last meeting minutes
13:05:02 <Payam> eparsons discusses the joint IP regualtions- see the link
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13:05:56 <Payam> Preparation for the f2f meeting-- what's the best approach to use the meeting time
13:06:18 <phila> The start time in Sapporo in your time zone is as shown at http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SDW+WG+F2F&iso=20151026T09&p1=622&ah=8
13:06:19 <Payam> the proposal is to use the meeting to get more concrete work done on Best Practice document
13:07:22 <Payam> one reason for this is the time zone - it will be mid-night/early morning in EU/US and it would be difficult to dial-in/join via webex
13:07:41 <phila> q+
13:07:42 <frans> q+
13:07:54 <eparsons> ACK NEXT
13:08:12 <phila> ack me
13:08:19 <eparsons> ack next
13:08:24 <phila> phila: Points to the time and date link http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SDW+WG+F2F&iso=20151026T09&p1=622&ah=8
13:08:41 <ChrisLittle> q+
13:08:48 <Payam> frans: likes the idea of editing the document during the meeting; asking how the document is going to be edited during the meeting?
13:09:31 <Payam> eparsons: we'll probably use online editing tools (Google doc or other similar method);
13:09:31 <eparsons> ack next
13:10:25 <Payam> ChrisLittle: there is a summary session during the f2f meeting (the last day)- that session can be used to update remote participants
13:10:38 <Payam> eparsons: good idea- will try
13:11:00 <phila> q+ to talk about other stuff around our meeting
13:11:03 <eparsons> ack next
13:11:05 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about other stuff around our meeting
13:11:15 <frans> Will all BP editors be present in Sapporo?
13:11:25 <Payam> eparsons: Best Practice is probably the best topic to work on during the f2f meeting
13:11:27 <kerry> q+
13:12:16 <kerry> q-
13:12:26 <Payam> phila: Kerry is suggesting to have a joint working meeting between this group and web of things working group
13:12:39 <eparsons> ack next
13:13:30 <Payam> phila: The joint meeting will be on the Wednesday during the meeting
13:13:49 <Payam> phila: next TPAC meeting will be in Lisbon
13:13:51 <phila> TPAC 2016 19-23 September, Lisbon Congress Centre
13:14:00 <frans> yay! Lisbon
13:14:05 <eparsons> Topic: Best Practice Document Editorial Team Update
13:14:37 <ChrisLittle> Hi Linda!
13:14:42 <frans> Thank you Linda!
13:14:52 <Payam> Linda is the new co-editor of the Best Practice document
13:15:12 <Payam> thanks Linda
13:15:44 <Payam> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Linked-data
13:16:22 <kerry> Payam: more information to add to document -- wnat to hear from everyone
13:16:31 <kerry> ... 5 or 6 questions posted to list
13:17:07 <kerry> ... responses have been summarised at that url above
13:17:23 <kerry> ...if your point has been missed please speak up!
13:17:32 <kerry> ... 2nd item was discussed a lot
13:17:46 <kerry> ... how we should use URIs, what type, do they carry meaning?
13:18:18 <kerry> .... is that an important thing that needs to be added to best practice? mostly between jon and Chris
13:18:39 <kerry> .. frans said something about reference geo-data like goenames, dbpedia
13:18:57 <kerry> ... frans can you checj pls?
13:19:07 <kerry> s/j/k/
13:19:20 <kerry> ..3rd question what do the links mean?
13:19:41 <kerry> .... not much follow up here -- would like more
13:19:48 <frans> I had a general impression that ¨linking¨ in the discussion was not always limited to spatial data
13:20:12 <kerry> ... links may not be just in rdf
13:20:26 <kerry> ...not much discussion on last 3 topics
13:21:12 <phila> q+ to talk about the IANA link registry
13:21:15 <kerry> ... again we link to postcodes saying where that postcode comes from...
13:21:40 <kerry> ... can I manage a set of links, not necessarily one at a time. Is there an existing solution?
13:22:18 <kerry> ... some discussioj on limks and relations ... should this be about interfaces for linking mechanisms or just how they should be described?
13:22:20 <ChrisLittle> This includes issue of aggregation - a real probelm.
13:22:26 <eparsons> ack next
13:22:28 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about the IANA link registry
13:22:30 <kerry> ... please provide meore and we will inetgrate into main doc
13:22:31 <phila> http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xhtml
13:22:35 <ChrisLittle> s/el/le/
13:22:36 <AndreaPerego> http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/
13:22:40 <kerry> phila: iana link relations register
13:22:58 <Payam> phila: discusses the iana register http://www.iana.org/assignments/link-relations/link-relations.xhtml
13:23:02 <kerry> ... terms that go in rel attributes of html and also http headers
13:23:25 <kerry> ... defines relationship between your resource and the one you point to
13:23:50 <kerry> ... allens realtions etc could go into here -- surprisoing that not already there... we could add them this is our job!
13:24:12 <kerry> s/real/rel
13:24:13 <Payam> phila: this can be helpful in defining the relationships and the work that this group does can be added to iana registry
13:24:29 <kerry> chirs: allens is time but RCC for sapce would be useful too
13:24:38 <kerry> s/sapce/space/
13:24:40 <Payam> ChrisLittle: Allen's calculus is about time... space related one are in /
13:24:50 <eparsons> Topic: Meeting time change
13:25:12 <joshlieberman> Could we return to the IANA topic briefly?
13:25:23 <joshlieberman> q+
13:25:30 <eparsons> ack next
13:25:31 <frans> A good idea to look at the IANA link relations register. We should not forget that!
13:25:38 <Payam> eparsons: on the 4th of November we are planning to change the time
13:25:53 <Payam> thanks Kerry
13:26:31 <Payam> joshliberman: discusses the relationship between resources
13:27:27 <Payam> joshlieberman: the relationships that we are looking at are the relationships between the real world and resources (why these relationships are different from others)
13:28:22 <Payam> eparsons: on the Web: the relationship between we pages reflect the relationship between the resources on the Web; on ur work this can be different.
13:29:30 <Payam> phila: In GIS everything is about representation; in linked-data you mean the object/resource
13:29:38 <joshlieberman> http://example.org/thefeature vs http://example.org/thefeature# for example
13:29:46 <frans> I have high hopes that HttpRange-14 can be avoided.
13:30:28 <phila> Yes, that's one solution. But it doesn't work for everyone as # isn't trabsmitted over the wire
13:30:41 <phila> and that's how the conversation starts
13:30:55 <eparsons> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?msg=SDWWG+Call&iso=20151104T20&p1=1440&ah=1
13:30:55 <Payam> eparsons: back to the time change: on the 4th of November we are planning to change the time
13:31:10 <phila> -> http://www.w3.org/wiki/HttpRange14Webography The history of HttpRange-14
13:31:25 <Payam> evening time in Europe- Wednesdays
13:32:51 <Payam> eparsons: we will send reminders before changing of the time
13:32:57 <eparsons> Topic: Progress on linking UCR's to Best Practice Topics
13:33:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-sdw-minutes.html phila
13:33:25 <kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidated_Narratives#3._Mapping_Requirements_to_these_themes_.28Kerry.29
13:33:28 <eparsons> thanks phil - bye
13:33:32 <Payam> eparsons: Kerry has worked on linking the UCR to Best Practice questions
13:35:06 <Payam> Kerry: discusses the mapping practice and using the UCR to do these mappings
13:35:25 <Payam> q+
13:36:20 <Payam> Kerry: discusses mapping to external vocabularies
13:36:21 <eparsons> ack next
13:39:00 <Payam> Kerry: are there any missing requirements?
13:39:20 <Payam> kerry: there seem to be one missing in the requirements
13:39:34 <Payam> kerry: Are we missing any requirements? The catch-all linkability requirement could be taken to cover most of this theme. Relative/locally contextual spatial relationships seems to have been missed in requirements (surprising to me -- I thought it was there, somewhere).
13:40:25 <Payam> it is indeed helpful
13:41:25 <Payam> eparsons: how can people contribute to Kerry's work?
13:42:03 <frans> Kerry: if you think there might be a missing requirement, could you send a message about that? The UCR editors should look in to that.
13:42:07 <Payam> kerry: people can choose one topic (put your hands up to choose a topic) and work on it- it will be helpful if we can do this before the f2f meeting
13:42:22 <ahaller2> i can do one after next meeting
13:42:27 <Payam> eparsons: volunteers for working on the sections?
13:42:37 <Payam> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidated_Narratives#3._Mapping_Requirements_to_these_themes_.28Kerry.29
13:42:56 <kerry> action: ahaller to do a crossreferening requirements to bp task
13:42:56 <trackbot> Error finding 'ahaller'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/users>.
13:42:58 <ahaller2> assignment of identifiers to ‘real-world things’ & information resources, again, after next meeting
13:44:07 <Payam> kerry: will send a message related to missing requirement
13:44:16 <eparsons> Topic: Any other business
13:44:25 <eparsons> Next week look at remaining UCR issues.
13:44:25 <Payam> frans: let us know if there is a missing requirement
13:45:18 <Payam> frans: some of the issues still don't have a related thread (frans will create)
13:46:00 <kerry> q+
13:46:05 <eparsons> ack next
13:46:10 <Payam> frans: will create email related to the issues (please prepare and discuss the issues before the meeting next week)
13:46:27 <Payam> s email/email threads
13:46:42 <Payam> s/ email/email threads
13:47:12 <ChrisLittle> q+
13:47:12 <Payam> kerry: invite everyone to participate in this discussion
13:47:21 <eparsons> ack next
13:47:45 <Payam> ChrisLittle: discusses the issue related to SVG
13:48:28 <frans> q+
13:48:51 <eparsons> ack next
13:48:55 <Payam> ChrisLittle: suggests if this topic should be discussed during the f2f meeting
13:49:34 <Payam> frans: this issue is related to two of the UCR issues
13:50:04 <Payam> frans: SVG is not just about rendering; it is also a mean to encode spatial data- so it can be in the scope
13:50:25 <Payam> eparson: agrees- to spend some time on this topic
13:50:39 <Payam> s/eparson/eparsons
13:51:06 <kerry> +q
13:51:29 <Payam> Kerry, I have to leave a bit early; can you take over?
13:52:05 <eparsons> ack next
13:52:33 <Payam> kerry: maybe we should have a meeting with SVG group?
13:53:11 <Payam> ChrisLittle: in short term will be out of scope for them- this could be our task within this group
13:53:29 <kerry> chris and kerry discuss having a meeting at saporo with svg
13:53:59 <kerry> ... decide not to as nothing useful to be done in sort term
13:54:06 <kerry> Ed: any other business?
13:54:19 <kerry> ... wathch for email from frans with remaining use cases
13:54:24 <ChrisLittle> Bye and thanks Ed
13:54:26 <Payam> thanks, bye
13:54:30 <kerry> ...metting closed
13:54:32 <LarsG> Thx, bye
13:54:36 <joshlieberman> Thanks and bye
13:54:38 <kerry> s/mett/meet/
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13:54:48 <Payam> thnak you kerry
13:55:41 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:55:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/07-sdw-minutes.html kerry
13:55:48 <kerry> bye!
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