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14:53:08 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:53:08 Date: 06 October 2015
14:53:17 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Oct/0012.html
14:53:28 present+ paulc
14:53:40 zakim, who is here?
14:53:40 Present: paulc
14:53:42 On IRC I see RRSAgent, paulc, robink, slightlyoff, cwilso, adrianba, trackbot
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15:01:39 present+ markw
15:01:44 present+ davide
15:02:43 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Oct/0012.html
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15:03:40 present+ ddorwin
15:03:58 present+ jdsmith
15:04:08 zakim, who is here?
15:04:08 Present: paulc, markw, davide, ddorwin, jdsmith
15:04:10 On IRC I see jdsmith, BobLund, davide, ddorwin, markw, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, robink, slightlyoff, cwilso, adrianba, trackbot
15:04:51 Topic: Discussion on ISSUE-85 with TAG members
15:05:39 paulc: No progress on this item. We will continue to track it.
15:06:07 paulc: if there is no progress by the TPAC F2F then I will request the TAG members responsible to attend the F2F.
15:06:24 topic: Media Task Force F2F meeting, TPAC, Sapporo, Japan, Oct 29-30 2015
15:07:01 See wiki agenda: http://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/wg/2015-10-Agenda (under construction)
15:07:25 paulc: I expect a agenda outline this week based on today's EME meeting and next week's MSE meeting.
15:07:50 paulc: The Chairs requests that TF member expose any time restrictions they have.
15:08:40 paulc: no questions from the floor
15:08:49 II'll be there
15:09:32 nope
15:09:37 paulc: Joe Steele is coming as well.
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15:09:42 jdsmith: I am coming too.
15:09:55 present: joesteele
15:10:07 chair: paulc
15:10:12 scribe: joesteele
15:10:21 Topic: ISSUE-97: Algorithm references use title case inconsistently
15:10:26 topic: New Issues
15:10:32 topic: Issue 97
15:10:48 paulc: not sure whether this is just editorial
15:11:21 ddorwin: not self assigned yet — would like input on options
15:11:32 paulc: if someone could weigh in that would be good
15:11:47 jdsmith: I will take that — have a preference for all caps
15:11:53 ddorwin: that works for me
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15:12:34 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/97
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15:13:45 Topic: ISSUE-96: Consider reasons other than Distinctive Identifier in the steps of the Consent Status algorithm
15:14:01 paulc: Issue has a solution and David has self-assigned.
15:14:23 topic: ISSUE-41 and ISSUE-53 - Initialization Data issue cluster
15:14:43 See Paul's update/question: tps://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Oct/0001.html
15:15:03 See Paul's update/question: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Oct/0001.html
15:15:29 joesteele: I responded to that
15:15:35 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/41
15:16:03 Issue-41 response from Joe: https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/41#issuecomment-145740508
15:16:10 paulc: what is the plan going forward here?
15:16:21 … 52 was blocking 41.
15:17:23 joesteele: couple of issues raised
15:17:42 … David mentioned an interop issue
15:17:59 … And in the issue the need for a use case was mentioned
15:18:09 … I added the use case — we should discuss the other
15:18:37 paulc: the point about interop issue is that implementations might change — but spec is not final yet
15:19:00 ddorwin: however this is a late feature and would delay last call. Would prefer to focus on the 40 other bugs first
15:19:20 … figuring out whether this is useful would take time away from other features
15:19:44 … not sure whether this is useful and or broad enough to warrant this
15:19:52 paulc: are you saying that about both 52 and 53?
15:19:55 ddorwin: yes
15:20:15 paulc: so you would like these resolved later? please put in the bug then
15:20:17 q+
15:20:20 ddorwin: ok
15:20:25 ack markw
15:20:49 s/52 and 53/41 and 53/
15:20:54 markw: I believe issue 41 is relatively simple and will not cause really any additonal work
15:21:07 … 53 is bigger and would require more thought
15:21:14 … but we could do 41 now
15:21:33 paulc: david when you repsond you should explain why you think 41 would delay us
15:21:39 s/repsond/respond/
15:22:09 topic: Outstanding pull requests
15:22:15 topic: Issue 80 and 81
15:22:19 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/80
15:22:22 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/81
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15:22:35 paulc: most of these are pull requests from Mark
15:22:45 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/pull/87 is the associated PR
15:22:47 … one of the editors needs to step up and review
15:22:58 jdsmith: I can review that
15:23:12 s/require more thought/require more thought. We might still want to to it for LC but it's a different matter from #41/
15:23:13 ddorwin: I can look also but lower priority
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15:23:23 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/06-html-media-minutes.html joesteele
15:23:44 topic: Issue 82, Pull request 89
15:23:48 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/82
15:23:58 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/pull/89
15:24:08 paulc: David or Jerry can one of you take this
15:24:33 ddorwin: that makes sense for me to take
15:24:38 topic: Issue 93, pull 93
15:24:45 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/83
15:24:51 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/pull/93
15:25:06 s/Issue 93, pull 93/Issue 83, pull 93/
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15:25:38 topic: Issue 84
15:25:40 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/84
15:25:50 paulc: Mark created some use case text, Joe commented
15:25:59 … Mark changed the wiki to reflect Joe;s comments
15:26:11 markw: I think what I put in the wiki addresses the issue so we can close
15:26:27 paulc: was the intent of putting the material on the wiki is that that is where it would stay?
15:26:32 … or should impact the spec?
15:26:47 markw: the question was where should go originally, and we decided the wiki is fine
15:27:11 joesteele: I have not had a chance to review, but assuming they are inline with my comments I am fine with closing
15:27:22 paulc: it would be good for folks to review if possible
15:27:31 ddorwin: I will review but this will be at the bottom of the queue
15:27:47 jdsmith: how do we link to the wiki?
15:28:02 paulc: I don’t think we do, but we can point to it if someone asked us the same question
15:28:21 … hopefully folks will be searching for this
15:28:31 topic: To Be Implemented Issues
15:28:34 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Oct/0007.html
15:29:05 paulc: besides David and Jerry there are 8 issues that are not assigned
15:29:12 I would like to gather consensus on whether any of these issues need an explicit pull request and review or if they are all ready for direct implementation?
15:29:40 … Mark has suggested we use pull requests as a way of reviewing
15:29:53 … do any of these need a pull request for review?
15:29:59 I was dropped
15:30:01 dialing in
15:30:08 jdsmith: yes — some of them do not need a full pull request
15:30:23 paulc: ok — are there any specifically that you can point to?
15:30:40 markw: I would need to look through them to see which ones need a full pull request
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15:31:20 paulc: action is on the editors to respond to the email or go through github and self-assign the issues
15:31:34 … would like some input on ETA to resolve the backlog
15:32:03 jdsmith: my plan is to have my list done by Friday, I might be able to review the others as well
15:32:08 Jerry: 8, 17, 36, 72, 73, 77
15:32:21 Not assigned: 10, 47, 60, 61, 62, 64, 71, 74
15:32:47 paulc: so you might be able to review these others as well? if you do please respond to the email to let the other editors take issues off the list
15:32:53 … first come first served
15:33:01 … Mark maybe you can grab some of these?
15:33:12 markw: I can do my assigned one this week and take on some more
15:33:24 paulc: this would help get the backlog down
15:33:34 … if they are hard maybe we do need a pull request
15:33:53 ddorwin: the ones left unassigned might have been unassigned for a reason — I need to double check
15:34:09 … we need to get these done by not necessarily by TPAC — we have decisions to make there
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15:34:22 paulc: ok — just trying to make as much progress as possible
15:34:39 jdsmith: when we mark as to be implemented, we are asserting there is an agreed upon opinion.
15:34:54 topic: Event Handler and Messgae cluster
15:35:01 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/19
15:35:03 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/30
15:35:06 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/31
15:35:16 s/https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/30/https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/14/
15:35:39 paulc: David removed the “needs feedback” from 19 and 14 yesterday — what are the next steps here?
15:35:49 ISSUE-19, ISSUE-14 and ISSUE-31 in the batch
15:35:55 ddorwin: have some old notes on the tedchnical details on how messages are dispatched
15:36:03 … this would let us resolve 19
15:36:11 https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/14/
15:36:19 … there is general agreement on the others but need to make sure the foundations are correct
15:36:27 … these are the more important things I need to do
15:36:59 .. the order is 19, 14, and then 31 is blocked on 19
15:37:10 … 14 is also blocked on 19
15:37:31 David's response says: dispatching rules into a description of how that affects the intended behavior in issue #19. It doesn't make sense to implement #14 and #31 until we're using the correct primitives.
15:37:32 paulc: do you expect that we will be ready in two weeks to discuss?
15:37:35 ddorwin: maybe?
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15:37:57 topic: ACTION-93: Get in touch with webappsec wg about the "privileged context" which is more generic than saying https, etc."
15:38:07 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Oct/0011.html
15:38:09 paulc: this is pending
15:38:38 BobLund_: the objective here is to determine what we need to go back to WebAppSec with around trusted application context
15:38:52 … conclusion was no, but we need to get closure with some parties we are working with
15:38:56 q+
15:38:58 paulc: will you be at TPAC?
15:39:10 BobLund_: no and the parties will not be there either
15:39:18 … there are certificate authorities
15:39:21 ACTION-93 is due in one month
15:39:30 BobLund_: thats fine
15:39:34 ack markw
15:40:04 markw: this problem comes up in other contexts as well — the secire connection requirements — specifclally in the 2nd screen working group
15:40:11 … we plan to raise this issue as TPAC
15:40:30 … think its something that groups should look at rather than waiting on a solution
15:40:55 paulc: so you are suggesting that Bob should outline the solution since there might be discussions at TPAC?
15:41:02 markw: yes
15:41:27 … a solution requires all devices to be given certificates by a CA but not clear that works as a genral solution
15:41:46 BobLund_: that is the proposal, we are struggling with how that will work, specifically with private IP addresses
15:41:54 s/genral/general/
15:42:15 markw: think it is unlikely browsers will trust certificates bound to private IP addresses
15:42:25 ACTION-93: http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/93
15:42:25 Notes added to ACTION-93 Get in touch with webappsec wg about the "privileged context" which is more generic than saying https, etc." (really on bob lund).
15:42:33 … at least not to the same level of trust as to a bound DNS name
15:42:57 BobLund_: I will outline and get that to you before TPAC — may try to participate on the phone as well
15:43:20 paulc: mark are you aware of the wiki for unconferences?
15:43:25 markw: yes I will add to that?
15:43:54 paulc: if you could add this information to that wiki that would be useful
15:44:05 https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2015/SessionIdeas
15:44:26 markw: this is the collection of session ideas — no times or places yet
15:44:40 paulc: Bob thanks for attending and giving is the update
15:44:50 topic: MediaKeyStatusMap cluster (ISSUE-68, ISSUE-69, ISSUE-70, ISSUE-75)
15:45:04 : https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/68
15:45:07 : https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/69
15:45:10 : https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/70
15:45:15 : https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/75
15:45:25 paulc: some of the issues mentioned earlier have been resolved
15:45:35 … 75 blocks 69 and depends on 68
15:45:46 … what will we do about this trio?
15:46:05 ddorwin: 75 we got a respond on — need to ping him back
15:46:36 … we can fix 68 independetly — need a response from folks
15:46:48 s/independetly/independently/
15:46:57 paulc: can you ping the external exprt on 75?
15:46:59 ddorwin: yes
15:47:14 paulc: can another member look at the original proposal and make some comments?
15:47:24 jdsmith: I can do that
15:47:39 paulc: if we get 75 and 68 we can figure out how to move on
15:47:57 rrsagent, generate minutes
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15:48:07 topic: EME status and bugs
15:48:21 paulc: building the agenda for the TPAC — lots of outstanding work items
15:48:32 … open to suggestions on what we should discuss and when
15:48:34 q+
15:48:53 … since the charte has been extended we will be meeting under the auspices of our existing task force
15:49:47 joestelee: should we talk abotu issue 41 at TPAC?
15:50:02 paulc: I am not taking anything off the table for TPAC — Google can have a rep there
15:50:16 … can schedule it appropriately for them
15:50:46 … 9am start would be 7pm at night — telco might be difficult but we will try to have the right schedule as needed
15:50:56 … if we can make progress before that is strongly encouaged
15:51:26 s/encouaged/encouraged/
15:51:47 ddorwin: I will at least provide the information about my concerns
15:51:54 topic: wrap up
15:52:04 paulc: we will wrap up and meet again in two weeks
15:52:24 … agenda will be on the wiki, folks should add their comments
15:52:26 rrsagent, generate the minutes
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15:53:00 present: slightlyoff
15:53:09 present: davide
15:53:17 present: adrianba
15:53:26 present: robink
15:53:33 present: ddorwin
15:53:37 present: markw
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15:55:15 present: slightlyoff paulc joesteele davide adrianba BobLund markw jdsmith robink ddorwin cwilso
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