23:37:06 RRSAgent has joined #auto 23:37:06 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/10/06-auto-irc 23:40:55 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-automotive/2015Oct/0006.html 00:00:02 Meeting: Automotive WG 00:00:23 Present: Paul, Kaz, Urata, Wonsuk 00:01:24 Present+ Hashimoto, Adam 00:01:58 j-hashimoto has joined #auto 00:02:07 Present+ Ted 00:02:14 urata_access has joined #auto 00:04:00 wonsuk has joined #auto 00:04:18 paul: f2f meeting coming up the end of the month 00:04:30 ... Wonsuk suggested some big topics 00:04:37 ... specific emais 00:04:41 s/emais/emails 00:04:53 ... TAG responded to my point on GitHub 00:05:14 ... would talk about any specific topics on the table 00:05:20 ... anything to be added? 00:05:46 kaz: TPAC topic includes joint meetings. right? 00:05:58 paul: two meetings expected so far 00:06:03 ... Geolocation and Payments 00:06:19 ... Tuesday at 9am for Payments, 10am for Geolocation 00:06:25 ... intersection of specs 00:06:38 ... Kevin from Automotive 00:06:47 ... Giri from Geolocation 00:06:59 ... and some Big Data guy? 00:07:13 wonsuk: maybe Tobie Langel? 00:07:30 paul: Simon from Fraunhofer 00:07:47 ... might be a phone meeting 00:08:03 ... Telematics 00:09:11 https://www.w3.org/community/bde-transport/ 00:09:31 kaz: Ted provided some information 00:10:10 ... Simon Scerri from Fraunhofer as the Chair of BDE-Smart (https://www.w3.org/community/bde-transport/) 00:10:47 ... and Mary Brady from NIST as the Chair of the Big Data CG (https://www.w3.org/community/bigdata/) 00:10:49 paul: contacted both 00:10:53 ... got response from Simon 00:11:08 ... liaison during TPAC 00:11:19 ... very interesting themes 00:12:01 ... Dave Raggett from WoT? 00:12:20 kaz: he'll attend TPAC, esp. for the WoT IG meeting 00:12:57 paul: contacted Joerg Heuer, the Chair of the WoT IG 00:13:28 kaz: security is one of the hot topics 00:13:56 ... also the scope of "Web of *Things*" should include automotive as well 00:14:14 hashimoto: any discussion on security by WoT? 00:14:24 paul: they have published many things on security 00:14:56 wonsuk: we can have the status of security work by the WoT IG 00:15:11 Paul has joined #auto 00:15:12 ... we can ask them about the status 00:15:14 https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Security,_Privacy_and_Resilience 00:15:47 wonsuk: and after that we can talk about security with each other 00:15:53 paul: have just put their wiki URL above 00:16:09 http://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/ 00:16:13 ... their meeting will be held on Thu/Fri (=Oct. 29/30) 00:16:26 ... Hashimoto-san, did you see the link above? 00:16:38 hashimoto: yes, I'd review the wiki this week 00:16:55 wonsuk: we have to investigate our use cases first 00:17:07 ... and then what is the approach of the WoT side 00:17:22 ... because that is very complicated 00:17:40 ... we need to investigate their approach 00:17:45 paul: sounds good 00:18:13 ... how should we continue the discussion with them? 00:18:33 kaz: can help you :) 00:19:20 hashimoto: briefly reviewing the WoT wiki 00:19:35 ... data authentication integrity is related to our requirements 00:19:53 ... Things discovery authorization as well 00:20:42 s/things discovery/single signon/ 00:20:51 paul: everyone should look at their security work 00:21:14 adam: if there is anything for coordination, please let me know 00:21:52 ... TV group is one of those to meet with 00:22:20 kaz: MMI chair was interested in joint meeting 00:22:37 adam: Generic Sensor is another 00:22:51 paul: what about the DAP WG? 00:22:58 wonsuk: DAP won't meet at TPAC 00:23:31 ... Tobie is one of the Editors of Generic Sensor API 00:23:37 ... we should contact him 00:23:49 ... can contact him 00:24:11 paul: Giri sent his message CCing DAP WG 00:25:06 kaz: we can start with Giri's message and contact Tobie 00:25:25 ... please note that Tobie is planning to have a breakout session on Wednesday 00:25:31 ... and an adhoc meeting on Tuesday 00:25:56 paul: Wonsuk, you'll contact Tobie for Generic Sensor? 00:26:22 ... Adam for TV? 00:26:41 kaz: already talked with the MMI Chair :) 00:27:30 paul: the issue 37 on GitHub 00:27:37 ... TAG responded 00:28:05 ... would suggest we have implementers 00:28:11 ... we have to find implementers 00:28:40 ... helpful to have a focus session for that 00:28:51 ... recommended spec 00:29:25 ... people have to implement the spec for the spec to reach a REC 00:30:02 kaz: we need both implementations and tests 00:31:47 ... so we might want to have a session on how to test vehicle API 00:32:02 ... maybe it could be done during the joint session with TV 00:32:27 ... because IVI runtime is a bit different from usual browsers 00:32:44 wonsuk: we could ask Geolocation as well for opinions 00:33:12 ... we already have proposed agenda to Giri 00:33:22 ... now including API style, etc. 00:33:49 ... we can add testing topic as well for the joint meeting with Geo 00:33:57 rrsagent, make log public 00:34:02 rrsagent, draft minutes 00:34:02 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/06-auto-minutes.html kaz 00:34:21 paul: have updated the agenda on the wiki 00:34:34 https://www.w3.org/auto/wg/wiki/Main_Page 00:34:49 paul: would encourage you all to add topics if needed 00:35:01 ... the other topic is security 00:35:19 ... Hashimoto-san, what do you want to talk? 00:35:52 hashimoto: currently I'm getting 30 elementary use cases based on the 60 use cases we discussed in Seattle 00:36:25 ... wondering how to handle security portion, within the Vehicle API spec or another document 00:36:55 ... personally think two big issues, ID and history 00:37:04 s/history/history (logging functionality)/ 00:37:15 ... these two features are included in the current spec 00:37:30 ... but there are conflicts with security considerations 00:37:37 ... would talk about those points 00:37:39 paul: ok 00:38:07 ... so we'll see some stuff from you this week 00:38:09 hashimoto: yes 00:38:20 paul: question on the BG list 00:38:47 ... asking about rotation 00:38:55 ... how to handle yow rate 00:39:18 ... quickly responded 00:39:54 ... Hashimoto-san, you'll come to Seoul too? 00:39:58 hashimoto: yes 00:40:20 paul: contacting Genivi system architecture group 00:40:28 ... three security sessions on Wednesday 00:40:43 hashimoto: will be in Seoul on Oct. 22-23 00:41:00 paul: we can try meeting on Friday 00:41:20 ... if possible, you're encouraged to join the Wednesday meeting too 00:41:40 adam: security session on Friday 00:42:04 ... we need to check with Philippe 00:42:32 ... will contact him again 00:42:47 s/will/Paul and I will/ 00:43:22 paul: don't have anything else today 00:43:26 ... anything else? 00:43:36 adam: agenda for the BG meeting? 00:43:53 paul: discussion with the security guys from Genivi 00:44:04 ... media tuner? 00:44:28 ... Dave? 00:44:37 s/Dave?/Dave Mitchell/ 00:44:55 ... Philippe has been working with Qing An for LBS topics 00:45:51 ... probably we should send a message to the BG 00:46:01 ... BG meeting next Tuesday? 00:46:16 adam: set up recurring meetings for BG? 00:46:19 paul: yes 00:46:29 ... second Tuesday every month 00:47:11 ted: regarding Philippe, hopefully we could get him more actively 00:47:29 paul: are you available on Wednesday? 00:47:35 ted: yes 00:48:20 (can't be in Seoul on Oct. 21 due to another event in Japan) 00:48:35 s/(/(Kaz / 00:48:49 paul: let's see we can meet on Friday 00:48:59 s/Friday/Friday, Oct. 23/ 00:50:35 s/event/auto event/ 00:50:48 ted: business group incubator 00:50:59 paul: we're talking about getting together 00:51:27 present+ Dave, Urata 00:52:02 ted: good to see who have got registered 00:52:51 wonsuk has joined #auto 00:53:29 kaz: wondering about the procedure for Hashimoto-san's security talk on Thusday, Oct. 22 00:53:57 ted: should be no problem 00:54:07 paul: if there is any problem, please let me know 00:54:29 kaz: ok 00:54:49 paul: Wednesday, Thursday are Open Day 00:55:13 ted: W3C session will be on Thursday 00:55:25 s/Wednesday,/Wednesday and/ 00:55:48 paul: Genivi Open Day include open sessions 00:56:02 ... for W3C session, there should be no issues 00:56:14 s/for W3C/for the W3C/ 00:56:34 [ adjourned ] 00:56:40 rrsagent, draft minutes 00:56:40 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/06-auto-minutes.html kaz 00:59:18 Chair: Paul 00:59:20 rrsagent, draft minutes 00:59:20 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/06-auto-minutes.html kaz 01:00:26 s|s/things discovery/single signon/|| 01:00:52 s/Things discovery authorization/Single sign-on/ 01:00:55 rrsagent, draft minutes 01:00:55 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/10/06-auto-minutes.html kaz 03:26:27 kaz has joined #auto 06:50:44 kaz has joined #auto 06:59:00 sam has joined #auto 07:51:38 sam has joined #auto 08:06:35 kaz has joined #auto 08:33:59 Zakim has left #auto