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16:49:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_UAWG
16:49:51 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
16:49:52 <trackbot> Meeting: User Agent Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
16:49:52 <trackbot> Date: 01 October 2015
16:49:58 <allanj> rrsagent, start meeting
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16:50:16 <allanj> chair: jim
16:53:09 <allanj> Agenda+ Announcements
16:53:23 <allanj> Agenda+ candidate implementations/extensions for each SC - narrow scope
16:53:24 <allanj> Agenda+ New Guidelines group - use cases
16:54:05 <allanj> http://w3c.github.io/UAAG-Implementations/Implementations-by-feature
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17:03:40 <allanj> Open Item 1
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17:04:51 <allanj> Topic: Announcements
17:05:05 <allanj> Jeanne on leave till Nov 30
17:05:38 <allanj> UAAG Working Draft comments close 13 October 2015
17:06:53 <allanj> close item 1
17:07:13 <allanj> open item 2
17:17:34 <allanj> Jim on vacation for next 2 weeks
17:18:55 <jeanne> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-uaag2-comments/
17:19:14 <allanj> topic: 2.10.6 Navigation of Time-Based Media by Time
17:24:56 <allanj> quicktime, real, and wmp allow this. JwPlayer, PayPal player and OZ player all allow this
17:25:25 <allanj> youtube player also
17:26:59 <allanj> all of these allow relative units (5, 10, 15, 20, 30 seconds)
17:27:25 <Greg> It might be nice to say something like "For example, by sliding a scroll bar (continuous scale) and by using a command to jump forward or backwards a certain amount of time (relative units)"
17:27:56 <allanj> add to intent
17:29:59 <allanj> topic: 2.10.7 Navigation of Time-Based Media by Semantics
17:31:19 <allanj> quicktime does
17:32:14 <allanj> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8Ja4u8_RGQ
17:34:24 <allanj> youtube allows nav by chapter (section) they are highlighted in the timeline
17:34:38 <allanj> jwplayer has chapter navigation
17:36:13 <allanj> topic:  	2.10.8 Video Contrast and Brightness
17:36:31 <allanj> quicktime, real, and wmp
17:36:41 <allanj> stand alone players
17:37:41 <allanj> vlc does also
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17:39:11 <allanj_> http://www.addictivetips.com/windows-tips/15-features-of-vlc-player-that-you-probably-dont-know-about/
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17:43:11 <allanj_> topic: 2.11.1 Platform Text Input Devices:
17:44:16 <allanj_> all seem to work with what ever keyboard, braille, onscreen, etc.
17:46:22 <allanj> there may be some instances, applications, that don't work
17:46:23 <Greg> I have noticed that on Android apps can provide their own on-screen keyboards, as far as I can tell refusing to use the one's you've installed at the system level. If a browser does that, it will fail this SC.
17:46:30 <allanj> topic:  	2.12.2 Operation With Any Device
17:49:36 <allanj> https://support.apple.com/kb/PH13833?locale=en_US
17:50:41 <allanj> https://developer.yahoo.com/blogs/ydn/enabling-full-keyboard-access-mac-090053716.html
17:51:13 <Greg> For example, are there any functions you cannot do in browser X on platform Y with the available on-screen keyboards? For Chrome on Android, can you "go to the next link" using the touchscreen? Or is "go to the next link" a command on desktop computers that simply isn't supported on touchscreen-only devices?
17:53:15 <allanj> New number is 2.11.1
17:55:17 <allanj> chrome, ie, firefox, and safari
17:56:37 <allanj> topic: 3.1.1 Text Entry Undo
18:00:20 <allanj> on desktop there is undo. no undo on mobile
18:02:25 <allanj> topic: 3.1.2 Settings Changes can be Reversed or Confirmed
18:02:50 <allanj> IE has reset,
18:04:00 <allanj> firefox has refresh. removes all extenstions sets browser to default settings
18:04:49 <allanj> chrome has reset
18:10:10 <Greg> It does not appear that Chrome lets you override author colors any more.
18:15:00 <Greg> Jim just verified that in Firefox you can adjust settings to always use white text on a white background, making the Settings page unusable. There does not seem to be any Undo for this change.
18:16:16 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:16:32 <Greg> Thus, Firefox fails this one.
18:17:54 <allanj> firefox fails, no confirmation, no Undo button, can set text to white on white. settings page is html so all settings vanish
18:19:52 <allanj> topic: New Guidelines group - use cases
18:20:09 <allanj>  - WCAG and UAAG are different sides of the screen related to accessibility
18:20:10 <allanj>  - browsers meet WCAG by default - need fail examples
18:20:12 <allanj>  - mobile use cases for browsers
18:20:13 <allanj>  - low vision use cases for browsers
18:23:35 <allanj> examples in our document are good, but there are too many
18:23:48 <allanj> need to distill, or combine
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18:33:13 <allanj> meetings will reconvene on Oct 22.
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18:34:15 <allanj> present: jeanne, jim, greg
18:34:44 <allanj> zakim, please part
18:34:44 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jeanne, jim, greg
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18:34:51 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:35:38 <allanj> trackbot, end meeting
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18:35:46 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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18:35:47 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
18:35:47 <RRSAgent> I see no action items