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12:58:07 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SDW
12:58:07 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
12:58:08 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
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12:58:08 <trackbot> Date: 30 September 2015
12:58:08 <kerry> trackbot, start meeting
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12:58:12 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be SDW
12:58:12 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
12:58:13 <trackbot> Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference
12:58:13 <trackbot> Date: 30 September 2015
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12:59:07 <jtandy> present+ jtandy
12:59:15 <Alejandro_Llaves> present+ Alejandro_Llaves
12:59:18 <kerry> present+ kerry
12:59:24 <kerry> chair: kerry
12:59:30 <kerry> regrets+ matt perry
12:59:38 <kerry> regrets+ linda
12:59:39 <joshlieberman> present+ joshlieberman
12:59:39 <phila> present+ phila, Chunming Hu, Maik Reichert, Jitao Yang
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13:00:21 <phila> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150930
13:00:25 <phila> Chair: Kerry
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13:01:01 <kerry> regrets+ Andreas Harth
13:01:14 <kerry> regrets+ Clemens Portele
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13:02:16 <jonblower> present+ jonblower
13:02:16 <phila> NB. Two members of the CEO-LD project are observing the call today - Maik Reichert from the University of Reading (colleague of Jon Blower) and Chunming Hu (W3C)
13:02:34 <phila> scribe: Alejandro_Llaves
13:02:43 <kerry> scribe+ allejandro
13:02:53 <kerry> scribenick: alejandro
13:03:09 <kerry> scribe+ alejandro
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13:06:06 <kerry> topic: approve minutres
13:06:22 <jtandy> +1 (alo from phila )
13:06:23 <kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/09/23-sdw-minutes.html
13:06:29 <kerry> +1
13:06:33 <jtandy> s/alo/also/
13:06:35 <joshlieberman> +1
13:06:35 <Alejandro_Llaves> +1
13:06:46 <billroberts> +1
13:06:46 <MaikRiechert> s/Reichert/Riechert
13:06:53 <Alejandro_Llaves> Resolved: approve minutes
13:07:09 <kerry> https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call
13:07:14 <Alejandro_Llaves> s/minutres/minutes
13:07:59 <kerry> topic: Progress on identifiers in Data on the Web Best Practices WG http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentifiers
13:08:26 <Payam> present +Payam
13:08:36 <eparsons> present +eparsons
13:08:37 <Alejandro_Llaves> Phil: Where are looking at the editors draft
13:08:55 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... last week there was a meeting in Sao Paulo
13:08:58 <eparsons> present+ eparsons
13:09:14 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... It is difficult to set the scope of a BP document
13:09:42 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... The group agreed on what URIs are
13:10:32 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... The document includes various assumptions about how a URI is defined. Always subject to change
13:11:06 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... Rather than reinventing the wheel, we used some relevant documents from the Web, with examples.
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13:11:42 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... Phil thinks this can be useful for the group.
13:11:50 <joshlieberman> q+
13:11:55 <eparsons> q+
13:12:05 <kerry> ack josh
13:12:52 <Alejandro_Llaves> joshlieberman: One thing I would like to see is a clear distinction between an identifier and a locator, because the needs are not the same in both cases.
13:14:00 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... Question to Phil about granularity
13:14:31 <AndreaPerego> present+ AndreaPerego
13:14:48 <Alejandro_Llaves> phila: If I have a dataset about things, I want URIs to identify the dataset.
13:14:50 <kerry> ack eparsons
13:15:19 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... I don't think there is much distinction between an identifier and a locator.
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13:16:47 <Alejandro_Llaves> joshlieberman: An identifier doesn't need to have the locator structure. Often, a locator needs a certain navigation pattern, that an identifier does not need.
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13:18:44 <joshlieberman> +1 Identifiers can and should be recognizable even if locators should be treated as opaque for navigation.
13:19:08 <Alejandro_Llaves> eparsons: URIs can be plain identifiers, but there is an added value in designing good well-structured URIs
13:19:08 <jonblower> q+
13:19:29 <billroberts> q+
13:19:38 <Alejandro_Llaves> phila: Agree!
13:19:43 <kerry> ack jon
13:20:23 <kerry> +1 to jon's comment
13:20:42 <Alejandro_Llaves> jonblower: We need to separate the idea of human readibility from client readibility.
13:20:57 <kerry> q?
13:21:23 <kerry> ack billroberts
13:21:56 <joshlieberman> Could those not speaking please mute. Thanks!
13:21:58 <billroberts> http://ukgovld.github.io/ukgovldwg/recommendations/uri-patterns.html
13:22:24 <Alejandro_Llaves> billroberts: In Data on the Web draft there was an update about URI patterns
13:22:53 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... I don't know what is the status of the document, but it worths a read.
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13:23:16 <kerry> q?
13:23:39 <Alejandro_Llaves> phila: I did not link to that document in the draft because it seems it is not finished, from the github repo.
13:23:59 <kerry> topic: Report on CEO-LD meeting http://www.w3.org/2015/ceo-ld/wiki/London_Kick_Off_meeting
13:24:36 <jtandy> (I'm happy that the DWBP identifier practices apply to SDW)
13:24:38 <Alejandro_Llaves> phila: We met yesterday and this morning.
13:24:48 <phila> https://www.w3.org/2015/ceo-ld/wiki/London_Kick_Off_meeting
13:24:52 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... The meeting went well.
13:25:45 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... The goal of this group is to foster collaboration between UK and China.
13:26:13 <Alejandro_Llaves> We talked about similar things that Jeremy was pointing in his email (?)
13:26:54 <Alejandro_Llaves> phila: We talked about satellite image, i.e. coverage.
13:27:30 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... We talked about how to describe coverage, which does not mean this is not solved.
13:28:05 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... Another topic was Identifiers: how you refer to the different levels of granularity related to access.
13:28:48 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... We discussed about formats, e.g. CSV on the Web, DataCube... How webby are they?
13:29:42 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... The geotemporal dimension of the different formats we looked at seems to be 2D
13:30:22 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... Some issues were identified, that will be solved in the near future. Some of the people attending will be in Sapporo.
13:30:46 <Alejandro_Llaves> Sorry, I don't know who is talking...
13:31:07 <chunming> me MaikRiechert is talking...
13:31:08 <Alejandro_Llaves> thanks
13:31:29 <chunming> s/me MaikRiechert is talking.../
13:31:47 <Alejandro_Llaves> MaikRiechert: DCat could be a good testbed for our project MELODIES
13:31:57 <kerry> q?
13:32:29 <Alejandro_Llaves> s/DCat/GeoDCAT
13:32:58 <eparsons> q+
13:33:35 <Alejandro_Llaves> jtandy: There are some issues important to coverage data that need to be discussed first in the SDW group first
13:34:03 <kerry> ack eparsons
13:34:42 <Alejandro_Llaves> eparsons: Is the output of the CEO-LD group publish-able as part of the SDW BP document?
13:35:37 <Alejandro_Llaves> phila: The CEO-LD can offer advise, but the SDW group should decide what to publish.
13:37:05 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... Citizen science and gamification could be the way of advance in the CEO-LD group
13:37:13 <kerry> topic: Review outstanding issues and actions (NB: please all catch up!)
13:38:07 <kerry> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/
13:38:47 <phila> action-79?
13:38:47 <trackbot> action-79 -- Jeremy Tandy to Create thread for each linking theme -- due 2015-09-30 -- CLOSED
13:38:47 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/79
13:39:06 <phila> action-78?
13:39:06 <trackbot> action-78 -- Jon Blower to Provide text around value add of following the bps -- due 2015-09-23 -- OPEN
13:39:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/78
13:39:18 <Alejandro_Llaves> jonblower: I need to catch on my action
13:39:26 <phila> action-75?
13:39:26 <trackbot> action-75 -- Joshua Lieberman to Ask tesbed email list to proide pointers to content we should knpow -- due 2015-09-16 -- OPEN
13:39:26 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/75
13:40:10 <Alejandro_Llaves> joshlieberman: I need to catch on my action
13:40:21 <phila> action-72?
13:40:21 <trackbot> action-72 -- Ed Parsons to Create appropriate wiki page -- due 2015-09-16 -- OPEN
13:40:21 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/72
13:40:33 <phila> close action-72
13:40:33 <trackbot> Closed action-72.
13:40:50 <phila> close action-71
13:40:50 <trackbot> Closed action-71.
13:41:41 <phila> close action-63
13:41:41 <trackbot> Closed action-63.
13:41:54 <Alejandro_Llaves> phila: I could not meet her yet, but hopefully this happens soon. - Related to Phil's action. (which one?)
13:41:59 <phila> action-60?
13:41:59 <trackbot> action-60 -- Kerry Taylor to Follow up with svg -- due 2015-08-12 -- OPEN
13:41:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/actions/60
13:42:46 <kerry> Reminder Sapporo meeting starts 26 October: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings#Sapporo
13:43:29 <kerry> q?
13:43:36 <Alejandro_Llaves> kerry: The accommodation arrangements should be done ASAP. We will discuss the agenda on the next meeting.
13:43:43 <kerry> The 7 discussion threads of best practice linking: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-sdw-wg/2015Sep/0044.html
13:44:16 <Alejandro_Llaves> jtandy: Thanks to the contributors!
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13:44:59 <Alejandro_Llaves> jtandy: As editor, we need the group feedback and comments.
13:45:07 <kerry> q?
13:45:12 <Alejandro_Llaves> s/editor/editors
13:45:50 <phila> crickets...
13:45:54 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... Are there any questions or clarifications that we can discuss now?
13:46:22 <Alejandro_Llaves> <tumbleweed>
13:47:16 <Alejandro_Llaves> jtandy: Don't be shy about replying to the different email threads I sent around, because this will be the basic input for the document.
13:48:04 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... Only 3 weeks away to TPAC, so please put your content in.
13:48:30 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... Topics being discussed:
13:48:50 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... - One identifier to several spatial objects
13:49:34 <Alejandro_Llaves> ... - There has been also some discussion on the linking aspect of spatial data.
13:50:08 <Alejandro_Llaves> kerry: When do you want the comments by?
13:50:19 <Alejandro_Llaves> jtandy: Max. by mid October
13:51:39 <Alejandro_Llaves> kerry: In Sapporo we could look at the relation between the present content and the Requirements documents.
13:51:44 <Alejandro_Llaves> jtandy: Agree!
13:51:59 <Alejandro_Llaves> s/documents/document
13:52:07 <Alejandro_Llaves> Yes, I will!
13:52:50 <phila> q+ to talk about themes
13:52:57 <Alejandro_Llaves> jtandy: Task - Map reqs to the BP themes.
13:53:10 <Alejandro_Llaves> kerry: Also, take into account open issues on the track.
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13:53:49 <kerry> actions: alejandro to map use cases to bp themes
13:54:03 <Alejandro_Llaves> Ok, no prob!
13:54:16 <kerry> action: kerry to map use cases to bp themes
13:54:16 <trackbot> Created ACTION-81 - Map use cases to bp themes [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-10-07].
13:54:35 <phila> ack me
13:54:35 <Zakim> phila, you wanted to talk about themes
13:54:37 <kerry> q?
13:55:55 <Alejandro_Llaves> phila: This idea of "themes" arose during a meeting last week, e.g. discoverability, etc. Each best practice in our document will have one or more icons describing what the theme is about.
13:56:01 <kerry> +1
13:56:21 <Alejandro_Llaves> jtandy: Good idea
13:57:39 <kerry> q?
13:58:04 <Alejandro_Llaves> kerry: Closing the meeting...
13:58:34 <eparsons> Bye !
13:58:34 <phila> RRSAgent, draft minutes
13:58:34 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/30-sdw-minutes.html phila
13:58:35 <Alejandro_Llaves> thanks, bye!
13:58:41 <chunming> thank you all. bye
13:58:48 <Payam> thanks, bye
13:58:54 <kerry> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:58:54 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/30-sdw-minutes.html kerry
13:59:09 <kerry> bye!
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