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14:11:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
14:11:38 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
14:11:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Low Vision Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:11:38 <trackbot> Date: 30 September 2015
14:13:58 <allanj> rrsagent, make logs public
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14:14:34 <jeanne> agenda?
14:15:00 <jeanne> zakim, drop item 2
14:15:00 <Zakim> agendum 2, review of updates to user needs and categorization, dropped
14:15:12 <jeanne> zakim, drop item 3
14:15:12 <Zakim> agendum 3, structure for user needs note, dropped
14:15:16 <jeanne> agenda?
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14:31:41 <AWK> ZAkim, who is here?
14:31:41 <Zakim> Present: AWK, Wayne, Bruce, Srini, Cherie, Laura, Chuck, Jeanne, Michael, Alan, Charles_Oppermann, Srinivasu, Carlson, bruce_bailey, Alan_Smith, jon_avila, chuckop
14:31:44 <Zakim> On IRC I see AWK, laura, RRSAgent, allanj, jeanne, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot
14:32:25 <allanj> +allanj
14:32:31 <jeanne> present:
14:32:35 <jeanne> present?
14:32:44 <jeanne> zakim, who is here?
14:32:44 <Zakim> Present: (no one)
14:32:46 <Zakim> On IRC I see AWK, laura, RRSAgent, allanj, jeanne, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot
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14:32:52 <jeanne> present+ jeanne
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14:33:00 <Wayne> +wayne
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14:35:59 <Wayne> scribe: wayne
14:36:18 <AWK> +bruce_bailey
14:36:28 <allanj> agenda?
14:36:34 <AWK> present- bruce_bailey
14:36:43 <allanj> close item 5
14:36:49 <bruce_bailey> +bruce_bailey
14:36:57 <allanj> open item 4
14:37:23 <AWK> LVTF Wiki: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Main_Page
14:39:59 <Wayne> jallan: Ashley Grahm from IBM sought advice from Jim Allan to discuss low vision accessibility issues for a hack-a-thon
14:40:56 <allanj> Ashley from IBM Design
14:41:31 <allanj> Rejoin email is dated Sept 25
14:42:11 <AWK> +Ashley_graham
14:42:22 <AWK> +cherie
14:42:50 <Wayne> AWK: The WCAG charter was renewed. You need to rejoin WCAG WG.  Invited Experts need to join, other members need to contact your AC member, This can be done though a survey that only has submit that MichaelC sent out.
14:43:07 <AWK> ZAkim, who is here?
14:43:07 <Zakim> Present: jeanne, AWK, wayne, jallan, Laura_Carlson, bruce_bailey, Ashley_graham, cherie
14:43:09 <Zakim> On IRC I see CherieE, bruce_bailey, Wayne, AWK, laura, RRSAgent, allanj, jeanne, MichaelC, Zakim, trackbot
14:43:50 <AWK> +erich_manser
14:44:05 <Wayne> Ashley_Grahm: UX from IBM is here to listen and learn.
14:44:05 <AWK> +michaelC
14:45:30 <Wayne> The Group: Introductions around
14:47:57 <allanj> close item 4
14:48:04 <allanj> Open item 6
14:48:23 <allanj> - these are who LV users are (overview)
14:48:24 <allanj>  - functional limitations (e.g. low acuity - larger font size)
14:48:30 <allanj>  - these are their visual content needs
14:48:31 <allanj>  - appendix: map functional limitations to low vision conditions
14:49:06 <Wayne> allanj: We have been gathering user stories as a basis to start the discussion on user needs
14:49:36 <allanj> wd: like the categorizing and functional descriptions
14:49:54 <allanj> ... make it clear what function if being blocked
14:51:15 <allanj> conditions are fuzzy, you can have folks with identical conditions but function very differently
14:51:23 <Wayne> AWK: Do we use limitations as mapped to condition and then barrier.
14:51:54 <bruce_bailey> q+ to ask about who LV users are in wiki
14:52:48 <AWK> User stories: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/User_stories_-_use_cases
14:52:53 <laura> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Overview_of_Low_Vision
14:52:54 <Wayne> allanj: I am leery of focusing on medical conditions.  Functional definitions are better to describe conditions for our use.
14:53:47 <AWK> We need to update the overview page with the modifications on the user stories page
14:54:22 <allanj> action: jim to humanize the Overview of Low Vision
14:54:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-4 - Humanize the overview of low vision [on Jim Allan - due 2015-10-07].
14:55:00 <laura> Medical conditions are all over the map: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/Types_of_Low_Vision
14:55:06 <Wayne> allanj: Can clean up the overview page definition, give it characters (names), clarify etc.
14:55:22 <AWK> zakim, queue?
14:55:22 <Zakim> I see bruce_bailey on the speaker queue
14:55:33 <allanj> ack
14:55:51 <AWK> Wayne: I think that functional categorization is a good starting point when we are talking about needs
14:56:56 <bruce_bailey> q-
14:57:08 <AWK> Bruce: legge's 4 categories vs "jim's" 6 categories?
14:57:18 <allanj> wd: Legge and Jim's overview are similar.
14:59:26 <bruce_bailey> * I have to drop off for ~15 minutes
14:59:50 <laura> Beyond Accessibility: Treating Users with Disabilities as People: http://www.nngroup.com/articles/beyond-accessibility-treating-users-with-disabilities-as-people/
15:00:01 <Wayne> allanj: Neilson/Norman study reveals that it takes more time to do many tasks for partial sight than no sight.
15:01:06 <Wayne> allanj: Could overview  be expanded to include functional limitations? An open question.
15:01:25 <Wayne> +1
15:01:40 <laura> +1
15:01:43 <AWK> +1
15:01:48 <allanj> +1 outline
15:02:09 <Wayne> allanj: Is the basic structure of the outline a good start.
15:02:28 <allanj> close item 6
15:02:34 <allanj> Open item 7
15:02:43 <allanj> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/User_stories_-_use_cases
15:04:38 <allanj> perhaps combine blur/glare and light sensitivity
15:05:13 <allanj> wd: there are differences.
15:06:06 <allanj> wd: blur/glare is functional limitation.
15:07:08 <allanj> fatigue is a result of reading with low vision
15:07:53 <Wayne> CherieE: With lighter eyes light sensitivity increases, it also increases with age.
15:07:55 <allanj> as you age you need more light,
15:09:01 <Wayne> CherieE: It is fairly common to become increasingly light sensitivity,  use sunglasses, don't stare at a back-lit computer.
15:09:47 <Wayne> allanj: I use beige instead of white.
15:11:44 <Wayne> allanj: I change the elements extensively, background, tool-tips, icon fonts
15:11:58 <allanj> in windows
15:12:28 <allanj> wd: windows 95 was very flexible for color/contrast for elements
15:13:19 <allanj> wd: had to choose high contrast then adjust color in Win8
15:14:04 <allanj> wd: it was responsive to my needs. word wrap was important
15:15:10 <allanj> awk: many applications allow this color change
15:15:36 <Wayne> AWK: There are desktop apps has a lot of HTML native apps.
15:16:01 <Wayne> allanj: Mobile apps are what they are and that is what you get.
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15:18:29 <AWK> Erich, the wiki page: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/wiki/User_stories_-_use_cases
15:20:09 <allanj> wd: size limitation is that an encoding for acuity? some of the terms are not functional, like contrast.
15:20:57 <allanj> ... we have blurring of functional limitation and medical condition
15:21:32 <allanj> wd: diagnosis, consequence, solution
15:22:58 <allanj> awk: light sensitivity and low acuity - needs contrast and size
15:23:23 <allanj> wd: field loss, light sensitivity
15:25:05 <allanj> awk: field loss - restricted field - missing parts of visual field.
15:25:49 <allanj> ... reduced field because of increased font size
15:26:16 <allanj> wd: "environmental field loss"
15:27:20 <Wayne> AWK: Field loss has two sides physical and caused by adjustment.
15:28:33 <allanj> action: jim to edit terms create definitions to clearly focus on function with wayne
15:28:33 <trackbot> Created ACTION-5 - Edit terms create definitions to clearly focus on function with wayne [on Jim Allan - due 2015-10-07].
15:28:57 <allanj> rssagent, make minutes
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15:29:14 <bruce_bailey_> * back, sorry
15:29:30 <allanj> rrsagent, make minutes
15:29:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/30-lvtf-minutes.html allanj
15:30:46 <laura> bye
15:31:02 <bruce_bailey_> * bye
15:31:14 <Wayne> trackbot, end meeting
15:31:14 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:31:14 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jeanne, AWK, wayne, jallan, Laura_Carlson, bruce_bailey, Ashley_graham, cherie, erich_manser, michaelC
15:31:22 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:31:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/30-lvtf-minutes.html trackbot
15:31:23 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:31:23 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/30-lvtf-actions.rdf :
15:31:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jim to humanize the Overview of Low Vision [1]
15:31:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/30-lvtf-irc#T14-54-22
15:31:23 <RRSAgent> ACTION: jim to edit terms create definitions to clearly focus on function with wayne [2]
15:31:23 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/09/30-lvtf-irc#T15-28-33