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14:39:03 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:39:03 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:39:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:39:04 <trackbot> Date: 15 September 2015
14:39:25 <Kenny> zakim, agenda?
14:39:25 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
14:39:26 <Zakim> 3. Survey on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/09082015/ [from Kenny]
14:39:26 <Zakim> 4. Discussion on decision policy, see link on http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/decision-policy [from Kenny]
14:39:39 <Kenny> zakim, clear agenda?
14:39:39 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:39:57 <Kenny> agenda+ New Charter draft - see survey Q1 on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter_policy_update_2015/
14:40:15 <Kenny> agenda+ Decision policy - see survey Q2 on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter_policy_update_2015/
14:40:29 <Kenny> agenda+ Github issues - see survey Q3/Q4/Q5 on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter_policy_update_2015/
14:40:38 <Kenny> zakim, agenda?
14:40:38 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
14:40:39 <Zakim> 1. New Charter draft - see survey Q1 on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter_policy_update_2015/ [from Kenny]
14:40:39 <Zakim> 2. Decision policy - see survey Q2 on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter_policy_update_2015/ [from Kenny]
14:40:39 <Zakim> 3. Github issues - see survey Q3/Q4/Q5 on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter_policy_update_2015/ [from Kenny]
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14:52:30 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
14:52:30 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda:
14:52:31 <Zakim> 1. New Charter draft - see survey Q1 on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter_policy_update_2015/ [from Kenny]
14:52:31 <Zakim> 2. Decision policy - see survey Q2 on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter_policy_update_2015/ [from Kenny]
14:52:31 <Zakim> 3. Github issues - see survey Q3/Q4/Q5 on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter_policy_update_2015/ [from Kenny]
14:53:04 <Joshue> trackbot, start meeting
14:53:06 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:53:08 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:53:08 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:53:09 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:53:09 <trackbot> Date: 15 September 2015
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14:57:51 <AWK> Chair: Joshue
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15:02:11 <Kathy> present+ Kathy
15:02:18 <yatil> present+ EricE
15:02:25 <laura> present+ Laura
15:02:26 <Louis> present+ Louis
15:02:27 <Makoto> present+ Makoto
15:02:27 <AWK> Present+ AWK
15:02:29 <David> Present+ David MacDonald
15:02:37 <Kenny> present+ Kenny
15:02:37 <Joshue> present+ Joshue
15:02:41 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
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15:03:04 <AWK> Regrets+ Katie, Srinivasu
15:03:25 <Wayne> present+ wayne
15:04:04 <AWK> Scribe: Laura
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15:04:33 <laura> Zakim, next item
15:04:33 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, laura
15:04:33 <jon_avila> present+jon_avila
15:04:39 <yatil> q?
15:04:43 <yatil> ack br
15:05:16 <AWK> Zakim, clear queue?
15:05:16 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, AWK.
15:05:16 <Joshue> zakim, take up item one
15:05:17 <Zakim> 'one' does not match any agenda item, Joshue
15:05:18 <AWK> Zakim, clear queue
15:05:18 <Zakim> I don't understand 'clear queue', AWK
15:05:22 <AWK> ack b
15:05:25 <yatil> zakim, next item
15:05:25 <Zakim> agendum 1. "New Charter draft - see survey Q1 on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter_policy_update_2015/" taken up [from Kenny]
15:06:17 <laura> JOC:  Posiitve feeback.
15:06:33 <AWK> q+
15:06:39 <Joshue> ack awk
15:06:44 <laura> …if you need more time let us know.
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15:07:16 <laura> AWK: One comment from a reviewer on scope.
15:07:24 <Joshue> q?
15:08:02 <AWK> http://www.w3.org/2015/08/draft-wcag-charter
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15:08:38 <marcjohlic> present+ marcjohlic
15:09:14 <Joshue> FYI here is the current diff http://www.w3.org/2015/08/draft-wcag-charter
15:09:14 <Joshue> http://services.w3.org/htmldiff?doc1=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2015%2F04%2Fdraft-wcag-charter&doc2=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.w3.org%2F2015%2F08%2Fdraft-wcag-charter
15:10:19 <laura> “Web Content Accessibility Guidelines 2.0 Edited Recommendation to incorporate editorial errata only (Recommendation);”
15:10:25 <laura> “out of Scope: The WG will not publish a revision of WCAG 2.0;”
15:11:15 <MichaelC> q+ to say we should avoid any changes not reqested by AC commenters (unless they´re changes on the changes)
15:11:31 <laura> AWK: a lot of simplified language. Tried to make it readable.
15:12:25 <laura> AWK:  we could take out first bullet.
15:15:02 <Joshue> q?
15:15:08 <laura> MC: We cam either reword it or remove it.
15:15:45 <yatil> s/cam/can
15:16:16 <laura> JOC: Concerned it is connected to other things.
15:16:43 <laura> … Any objection to removing it?
15:16:50 <Mike_Elledge> +q
15:17:24 <MichaelC> q-
15:19:31 <laura> MC: If people are comfortable with the intent, we trust the chairs proceeding discussing with Judy etc. We are not doing a WCAG 2.1 or 3.0.
15:20:54 <AWK> q+ to disagree with David's comment as we covered this earlier
15:21:33 <laura> David: Suggests slight change. Can make it harder but not easier.
15:22:05 <Joshue> ack mike
15:22:16 <Wayne> q+
15:23:14 <laura> Mike:  Would rewording first bullet delay the process?
15:23:58 <jon_avila> * I agree with Mike
15:24:10 <laura> AWK: It could either one way or the other. Could just empower the chairs.
15:25:03 <jon_avila> q+
15:25:37 <laura> Mike: Better to be more explicit.
15:26:35 <Joshue> ack awk
15:26:35 <Zakim> AWK, you wanted to disagree with David's comment as we covered this earlier
15:28:22 <Joshue> Re Davids comment, I think the current text is ok, and prefer it to Davids suggestion.
15:28:25 <jon_avila> q?
15:28:30 <Joshue> ack way
15:28:31 <AWK> ack w
15:28:41 <David> q+
15:29:55 <laura> Wayne: Out scope bullet is clear. It should be reassuring. Maybe we can set a date when editorial work is complete.
15:30:15 <laura> JOC: agree.
15:30:20 <AWK> ack jon
15:30:21 <Joshue> ack jon
15:32:17 <MichaelC> q+
15:32:24 <MichaelC> q+ to say we should avoid any changes not reqested by AC commenters (unless they´re changes on the changes)
15:32:47 <Joshue> ack david
15:32:49 <laura> Jon: Bullet says 2.0 won’t be updated. Recommends what David said and an addendum.
15:32:52 <jon_avila> q-
15:33:48 <laura> David: Change slightly “Ensure that while extensions may or may not redefine aspects of WCAG 2.0 within the context of the extension, no extension will affect the validity of any WCAG 2.0 claim;”
15:34:24 <AWK> The deliverable for extensions says "Extension specifications to add normative content accessibility requirements to the WCAG 2.0 base for topics identified as priorities according to the Working Group scope (Recommendation);"  This doesn't require an extension for digital learning materials
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15:36:23 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea
15:36:47 <yatil> s/ie H/ie_H/
15:36:57 <laura> David: add the word “may”
15:37:11 <AWK> Regrets- Katie
15:38:11 <laura> David: We may or may not be working on any of the extensions.
15:38:27 <Joshue> ack mich
15:38:27 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say we should avoid any changes not reqested by AC commenters (unless they´re changes on the changes)
15:38:30 <laura> JOC: yes
15:39:58 <laura> MC: Important as we are talking about adjusting the charter we are only looking at charges brought up by the advisory board.
15:41:16 <AWK> "The WG will not publish a revision of WCAG 2.0 other than the identified Edited Recommendation to incorporate Editorial Errata only."
15:41:18 <laura> JOC: will propose some text.
15:42:31 <Joshue> The WG will not publish a revision of WCAG 2.0 but may publish a revised recommendation to include editorial errata.
15:43:02 <Joshue> The WG will not publish a revision of WCAG 2.0 but may publish an edited recommendation to include editorial errata.
15:43:20 <Joshue> The WG will not publish a revision of WCAG 2.0 but may publish an edited recommendation  with editorial errata.
15:44:02 <Joshue> Apart from including errata, the WG will not publish a revision of WCAG 2.0
15:44:34 <Joshue> The WG will not publish a revision of WCAG 2.0 apart from editorial errata,
15:44:55 <Joshue> q?
15:45:18 <Wayne> +1
15:45:43 <Wayne> q+
15:45:47 <laura> AWK: Can editors and chairs work on this?
15:45:53 <Ryladog> +1
15:46:18 <laura> laura: +1
15:46:20 <yatil> +1
15:46:24 <Louis> +1
15:46:27 <Mike_Elledge> +1
15:47:15 <Kathy> +1
15:48:07 <marcjohlic> +1
15:49:03 <Kenny> +1
15:49:38 <laura> RESOLUTION: Working group is not opposed to charter and empower the chairs to settle the wording in 1.2 scope.
15:50:27 <laura> Zakim, next item
15:50:27 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, laura
15:50:43 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/decision-policy
15:50:57 <yatil> q?
15:50:58 <Joshue> q?
15:50:59 <yatil> ack wa
15:51:08 <Wayne> q-
15:51:09 <yatil> zakim, next item
15:51:09 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Decision policy - see survey Q2 on https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/charter_policy_update_2015/" taken up [from Kenny]
15:52:32 <laura> JOC: consensus for the document.
15:53:00 <laura> Marc: Will the "Call for Consensus" e-mails be a separate e-mail thread and have a specific Subject line indicator to make them stand out ("[CfC]" or similar)?
15:53:40 <laura> AWK: yes. One CFC at a time is good practice.
15:55:34 <laura> laura: Will Task force will be following same policy?
15:55:40 <laura> JOC: Yes.
15:56:01 <Joshue> q?
15:56:33 <AWK> Perhaps we change "The Call will contain pointers to the relevant discussion." to "The Call be for a single topic and will contain pointers to the relevant discussion."
15:57:22 <Mike_Elledge> +1
15:57:36 <laura> laura: +1
15:57:51 <Joshue> [CFC]
15:57:58 <marcjohlic> +1
15:58:46 <Joshue> The Call be for a single topic and will contain pointers to the relevant discussion and the subject will contain [CFC]
16:01:15 <AWK> The Call be for a single topic, will clearly indicate that it is a Call for Consensus, and will contain pointers to the relevant discussion.
16:01:35 <marcjohlic> +1
16:01:39 <Joshue> +1
16:01:41 <Ryladog> +1
16:01:44 <Kathy> +1
16:01:48 <Mike_Elledge> +1
16:01:48 <laura> laura: +1
16:01:49 <David> +1
16:01:53 <Wayne> +1
16:02:36 <laura> RESOLUTION: Accept new decision policy
16:02:41 <Joshue> q?
16:02:59 <laura> Zakim, next item
16:02:59 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, laura
16:03:01 <jon_avila> * I have to jump off for another call
16:03:25 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
16:03:25 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
16:03:58 <laura> TOPIC: Github Issues
16:04:01 <Wayne> I must leave now.
16:04:04 <Joshue> Issue 109: SCR19: This can cover onchange on checkbox / radio besides select controls
16:04:09 <laura> TOPIC: Github Issue 109
16:04:16 <Joshue> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/109
16:04:17 <laura> SCR19: This can cover onchange on checkbox / radio besides select controls
16:04:24 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/109
16:06:54 <laura> JOC: reads Adam’s comments
16:08:18 <Joshue> http://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG20-TECHS/SCR19.html
16:08:21 <laura> AWK: Example is not authored at this point. It is useful as is could be expanded. Worried about side affects.
16:08:53 <Ryladog> q+
16:09:03 <laura> AWK: Worries about broadening it.
16:09:38 <laura> AWK: If changing it, would strip it down.
16:10:00 <Ryladog> q+ to say I agree with Andrew,maybe we should put this in the que for updating...
16:10:07 <Ryladog> q-
16:11:57 <laura> MC: Not enough information to approve. Direction is okay.
16:13:44 <laura> AWK: We need pull request or wiki page with changes.
16:14:58 <laura> RESOLUTION: Leave Open
16:15:06 <laura> Zakim, next item
16:15:06 <Zakim> I do not see any more non-closed or non-skipped agenda items, laura
16:15:07 <Joshue> Issue 108: New draft technique SCR26: Inserting dynamic content into the Document Object Model (DOM) in a manner that preserves meaning and operability
16:15:23 <laura> TOPIC: Github Issue 108
16:15:23 <laura> SCR26: Inserting dynamic content into the Document Object Model (DOM) in a manner that preserves meaning and operability.
16:15:28 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/108
16:15:33 <Joshue> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/108
16:16:48 <AWK> q+
16:17:15 <Joshue> ack awk
16:19:20 <laura> AWK: Recalls reason for keeping separate. Would like input from Marc and Jon.
16:19:33 <laura> RESOLUTION: Leave Open
16:19:44 <Joshue>  Issues 101 and 101: H65 Combined Github comments
16:19:47 <laura> TOPIC: Github Issue 101 and 100
16:19:54 <laura> Conflict between glossary definition of label and H65 sufficient technique for 3.3.2
16:19:55 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/101
16:19:59 <laura> H65 Technique is Invalid and Abused to Allow Disappearing Placeholders Over Visible Labels
16:19:59 <laura> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/100
16:20:04 <Joshue> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/101
16:20:10 <Joshue> https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues/100
16:24:20 <laura> AWK: If the meaning of the control is evident, it should be okay. Maybe update the test procedure.
16:25:26 <Ryladog> +1 t what David said....
16:25:28 <laura> David: Maybe require visible by default or on focus.
16:25:30 <Joshue> q?
16:27:26 <laura> David: H65 is the only place that gives the green light.
16:28:13 <laura> JOC: We don’t want to be perceptive.
16:28:23 <Ryladog> q+
16:29:04 <laura> David: Worthwhile to look at.
16:29:25 <AWK> Possible #4 for the procedure: Check that the purpose of the control is visually apparent and matches the purpose as indicated by the title attribute.
16:29:41 <Joshue> q?
16:29:44 <Joshue> ack ry
16:30:07 <laura> Katie: Technologies change and we need to address.
16:30:27 <laura> RESOLUTION: Leave Open
16:30:49 <Mike_Elledge> Bye all!
16:31:19 <laura>  rrsagent, make minutes
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16:31:54 <Makoto> Bye!
16:32:20 <laura> trackbot, end meeting
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16:32:20 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been EricE, Laura, AWK, Srinivasu_Chakravarthula, Kathy, jon_avila, kenny, adam_solomon, David_MacDonald, Katie, Haritos-Shea, MichaelC,
16:32:23 <Zakim> ... Bruce_Bailey, Josh, Louis, Makoto, MacDonald, Joshue, wayne, marcjohlic
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