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14:04:27 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
14:04:27 <Norm> Date: 2 September 2015
14:04:28 <Norm> Meeting: 276
14:04:30 <Norm> Chair: Norm
14:04:32 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
14:04:34 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
14:04:41 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
14:04:41 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2015/09/02-agenda
14:04:48 <Norm> Accepted.
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14:04:59 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
14:04:59 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2015/07/08-minutes
14:05:14 <alexmilowski> (wow, we're slackers)
14:06:05 <Norm> Accepted.
14:06:28 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting, 9 July 2015
14:06:48 <Norm> s/July/September/
14:06:53 <Norm> No regrets heard.
14:07:12 <Norm> Topic: The latest "small fixes" branch
14:07:27 <Norm> -> https://ndw.github.io/specification/langspec/small-fixes/head/xproc20/
14:13:19 <jfuller> ok here now
14:14:05 <alexmilowski> I now really hate WebEx
14:14:19 <Norm> We can't here you
14:14:20 <Norm> hear
14:14:23 <alexmilowski> spinning ball of death
14:14:57 <Norm> Henry: I have a pedantic suggestion, in 2.10.2, in the first new paragraph, it says "this section describes how..."
14:15:14 <Norm> ... There is no corresponding paragraph in 2.10.1.
14:15:39 <Norm> ... I think there should be.
14:16:13 <Norm> Norm: Sure, I think that's a good idea.
14:17:01 <Norm> Henry: I'm still distracted by the contradictory statements that AVTs are attributes and strings, but fixing that is probably not worth it.
14:19:47 <ht> Alex, are you talking now????
14:23:41 <Norm> Alex: Do we say that it's an XPath expression?
14:23:48 <Norm> Norm: I can check that.
14:27:51 <Norm> Henry: Last time we talked about this, we talked a lot about the interaction between media type and charset.
14:28:34 <Norm> ... I think there's an implicit flowchart here. Would it help to summarize the order of what you're going to find out before it starts?
14:29:18 <Norm> ... The order of play is: if there's an encoding, the string is decoded. After that you have a string and don't care about the encoding anymore.
14:29:27 <Norm> s/string/byte sequence/
14:29:49 <Norm> ... If there's a charset param, you then construct a string using either the charset parameter or UTF-8
14:29:51 <Norm> Norm: Yes
14:31:02 <Norm> Henry: I think this "flowchart" should be the the second paragraph of the section.
14:31:11 <Norm> Alex: Generate a sequence of bytes, etc.
14:32:11 <Norm> Henry: If the media type is a non-XML media type, and there is no charset parameter, what is used to decode the byte sequence.
14:32:33 <Norm> ... I think we can say UTF-8, unless it's XML, in which case the XML decl wins.
14:32:40 <Norm> Alex: If it's a text media type, utf-8.
14:33:00 <Norm> Alex: The situation about the XML decl never arises, because we've made that an error.
14:34:25 <Norm> Norm: We should say utf-8 is the default.
14:35:57 <jfuller> I can hear you
14:36:00 <jfuller> a few secs ago
14:36:02 <jfuller> nothing now
14:36:07 <Norm> right. call died. redialing
14:36:10 <ht> All we've heard are metacomments
14:36:23 <alexmilowski> lol.  webex wins!
14:36:30 <Norm> that or my phone service
14:36:38 <Norm> nobody look at my scheudle. it's sekrit
14:40:04 <Norm> Henry: It might be useful in the flow chart to just have almost footnote numbers cross-referencing the errors.
14:40:37 <Norm> Alex: In 5.10.1, non-XML is implementation-dependent.
14:41:14 <Norm> ... Are we open to being able to treat any kind of semi-structured data as something you can run expressions across?
14:41:57 <Norm> Norm: In principle, yes.
14:43:14 <Norm> Alex: Can you do non-XML in implicit inlines
14:43:17 <Norm> Norm: Not today.
14:43:44 <jfuller> changes look good to me
14:44:03 <Norm> Henry: I still don't understand what it means to remove in-scope namespaces.
14:44:38 <Norm> ... And there's a typo in 5.10.2.
14:48:24 <Norm> Some discussion of removing in-scope namespaces.
14:49:27 <Norm> Alex: We have a different situation; sometimes we hand documents to a tool.
14:50:19 <Norm> Norm: We could have used exclude-result-prefixes but it would have to be used everywhere and that  might lead to conflicts.
14:52:46 <Norm> Proposed: accept this doucment as the status quo, with the understanding that the flowchart will be added.
14:52:51 <Norm> Accepted.
14:54:57 <jfuller> note I redrafted errors proposal
14:54:57 <jfuller> https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/136
14:55:02 <jfuller> for next week
14:55:24 <Norm> Thanks, Jim.
14:56:17 <Norm> Some discussion of possible future f2f meetings.
15:01:26 <Norm> rrsagent, make logs world visible
15:01:31 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
15:01:32 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/09/02-xproc-minutes.html Norm
15:02:37 <ht> Note that Norm believes that the name of the room for this call on WebEx is "XProc Weekly Call"
15:02:52 <ht> Bother, missed the minutes.
15:02:58 <Norm> I can put that in if you'd like
15:03:02 <ht> Perhaps, norm, you would add that to the Agenda template
15:03:06 <Norm> Yes
15:03:29 <ht> Sorry to miss Summer School once again -- what are the dates?
15:04:08 <Norm> week after next, uhm...13-18
15:04:24 <Norm> Agenda template updated
15:05:32 <ht> Bother, ish.  I'm at my in-laws in Croxley Green 11--13, but train home is already booked for Sunday evening . . .
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