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14:45:38 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:45:38 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:45:39 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:45:39 <trackbot> Date: 13 August 2015
14:45:46 <janina> agenda?
14:45:54 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
14:45:54 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:46:01 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:46:04 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Edits & Additions
14:46:06 <janina> agenda+ Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Mark, Janina, Paul, PLH
14:46:09 <janina> agenda+ Transcript Support Update -- Chaals
14:46:12 <janina> agenda+ HTML Details & ARIA Describedat -- Rich, Janina [See Below]
14:46:14 <janina> agenda+ Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam
14:46:17 <janina> agenda+ Tab Panels Update -- Leonie, Et Al
14:46:19 <janina> agenda+ Web Payments Accessibility Followup
14:46:22 <janina> agenda+ Bug Triage -- Leonie
14:46:24 <janina> agenda+ TF Open Actions  http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track
14:46:27 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:46:29 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:48:31 <janina> present+ janina
14:48:35 <janina> chair: janina
14:48:40 <janina> zakim, next item
14:48:40 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
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15:00:33 <MarkS> regrets+ Mark Sadecki
15:02:29 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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15:05:36 <janina> zakim, next item
15:05:36 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Agenda Edits & Additions" taken up [from janina]
15:05:40 <Judy> scribe: Judy
15:06:07 <janina> zakim, close this item
15:06:07 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:06:08 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:08 <Zakim> 3. Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Mark, Janina, Paul, PLH [from janina]
15:06:10 <janina> zakim, next item
15:06:10 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Mark, Janina, Paul, PLH" taken up [from janina]
15:06:10 <Judy> JS: agenda mods?
15:06:18 <Judy> All: nothing
15:06:40 <janina> zakim, close this item
15:06:40 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
15:06:40 <Judy> JS: Canvas 2D update? No Rich yet. Deferred.
15:06:41 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:41 <Zakim> 4. Transcript Support Update -- Chaals [from janina]
15:06:45 <janina> zakim, next item
15:06:45 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Transcript Support Update -- Chaals" taken up [from janina]
15:07:11 <Judy> JS: Got comments on minutes from CMN.
15:07:33 <Judy> ...he suggested we find some potential implementer before FPWD
15:07:35 <Judy> q+
15:08:18 <LJWatson> JB: Think Chaals said implementors rather than implementor.
15:08:54 <LJWatson> ... Also that although it would be good to get implementor support before first working draft, it isn't essential.
15:10:06 <LJWatson> q+
15:10:09 <Judy> JB: But it's a good practice, so let's ask
15:10:38 <Judy> Joanie: Would be potentially interested, but would be concerned about time
15:10:58 <Judy> JS: Would be good to get confirmation of approach
15:11:08 <LJWatson> zakim, ack me
15:11:08 <Zakim> I see Judy on the speaker queue
15:11:20 <Judy> ...then next stage, some support in presentation engines in webkit in mozilla
15:11:36 <janina> q?
15:11:48 <Judy> js: we'd need to put it into the user agents first
15:12:09 <Judy> lw: multiple @@ to consider, then take it to browsers
15:12:26 <joanie> scribe: joanie
15:12:52 <LJWatson> s/multiple @@ to consider, /Multiple solutions to consider, /
15:12:57 <joanie> js: I do want to note that Charles corrected regarding the W3C repository for transcript.
15:13:13 <joanie> lw: I saw that, but we still have multiple options in the spec.
15:13:25 <joanie> lw: One is marked as our suggested approach.
15:13:39 <joanie> lw: I wonder if we should get to the point where the spec recommends a single approach.
15:13:49 <joanie> lw: The Media task force seems like a good place to start.
15:13:51 <joanie> js: I agree.
15:13:57 <janina> zakim, next item
15:13:57 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, janina
15:14:01 <joanie> q?
15:14:03 <janina> q?
15:14:06 <Judy> ack j
15:14:11 <janina> ack ju
15:14:22 <janina> zakim, next item
15:14:22 <Zakim> agendum 5. "HTML Details & ARIA Describedat -- Rich, Janina" taken up [from See Below]
15:14:30 <LJWatson> s/wonder if we should get to the point where the spec recommends a single approach/wonder if we should get to the point where the spec contains only a single approach/
15:14:54 <joanie> js: I wanted to flag the task force that there is a very deep requirements conversation going on with DPub and ARIA.
15:15:10 <joanie> js: DPub has requirements for longer text description. This is an ongoing conversation.
15:15:30 <joanie> js: We are taking a second look at all the various mechanisms which have been, or are now, being discussed.
15:15:49 <joanie> js: To date, we haven't found a solution that addresses all the requirements.
15:16:09 <joanie> js: But the old HTML details is starting to look like it might work, though it's missing certain attributes.
15:16:25 <Judy> q+
15:16:34 <joanie> js: My recollection of why details didn't make it into the HTML spec is lacking implementations.
15:16:39 <joanie> js: Anyone else know?
15:17:15 <joanie> jb: I remember when that had been suggested for this particular requirement, that people had looked at it pretty closely and there were multiple problems with the implementations, including screen reader compatibility with them.
15:17:40 <joanie> jb: Also the mix of information in it, which would impact discoverability along with predictability of what would happen when a screen reader encountered one.
15:17:52 <joanie> jb: I would assume there has been sufficient time to address the implementation issues.
15:18:20 <joanie> jb: However my impression that the mix of information in the feature and the discoverability are still issues as far as I am aware.
15:19:00 <joanie> js: That's why we're considering the use of an ARIA role: to disambiguate the purpose of a given details element.
15:19:29 <joanie> js: This is an FYI as much as anything, namely that it is back on the table with respect to meet the needs of publishing.
15:19:52 <joanie> lw: I don't believe those browsers that have implemented details or summary don't support accessibility.
15:20:24 <joanie> lw: This is a few months out of date, so it's worth double checking.
15:20:43 <joanie> jb: I looked longer ago than that, but my recollection is that some of the information was exposed, but other information was not.
15:21:17 <joanie> jb + js: This is why we're going to have a meeting in the next hour (scribe addition: In the ARIA task force meeting)
15:21:26 <joanie> lw: I'll try to be there.
15:22:08 <joanie> js: For the contextual record, publishers are not finding longdesc sufficient because it only applies to image. They would like something that can be applied to any element.
15:22:24 <LJWatson> q+Browser accessibility implementation/support for details/summary, accurate as of June 2015: http://html5accessibility.com/
15:22:29 <joanie> js: And while they are interested in annotations, that seems to be further out.
15:22:40 <LJWatson> zakim, ack me
15:22:40 <Zakim> I see Judy on the speaker queue
15:23:14 <janina> ack ju
15:23:14 <joanie> lw: I just wanted to add a link for the html5 accessibility support (above)
15:23:23 <janina> zakim, next item
15:23:23 <Zakim> agendum 6. "Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam" taken up [from janina]
15:24:00 <joanie> js: I'm eager to move forward on this. But with people on vacation, etc....
15:24:01 <janina> Understand, Liam! Thanks!
15:24:09 <janina> zakim, close this item
15:24:09 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
15:24:10 <joanie> jb: Liam is at a conference.
15:24:11 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:24:11 <Zakim> 7. Tab Panels Update -- Leonie, Et Al [from janina]
15:24:16 <janina> zakim, next item
15:24:16 <Zakim> agendum 7. "Tab Panels Update -- Leonie, Et Al" taken up [from janina]
15:24:40 <joanie> lw: Brian has been doing some work to update the prototypes.
15:24:42 <liam> [Liam hopes to do a new alt draft next week, but might be when I get back from CSS F2F so first week of September]
15:24:47 <joanie> lw: Beyond that, nothing to report.
15:25:00 <janina> zakim, close this item
15:25:00 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
15:25:01 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:25:01 <Zakim> 8. Web Payments Accessibility Followup [from janina]
15:25:03 <janina> zakim, next item
15:25:03 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Web Payments Accessibility Followup" taken up [from janina]
15:25:21 <joanie> js: There are not enough of us here to talk about this topic.
15:25:56 <joanie> js: As a reminder, please look at the proposed chartes.
15:26:06 <janina> zakim, close this item
15:26:06 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
15:26:07 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:26:07 <Zakim> 9. Bug Triage -- Leonie [from janina]
15:26:08 <joanie> s/chartes/charters/
15:26:09 <janina> zakim, next item
15:26:09 <Zakim> agendum 9. "Bug Triage -- Leonie" taken up [from janina]
15:26:21 <joanie> lw: Nothing to report this time.
15:26:38 <joanie> agenda?
15:26:46 <joanie> Zakim, next item
15:26:46 <Zakim> agendum 9 was just opened, joanie
15:27:03 <joanie> Zakim, close this item
15:27:03 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
15:27:04 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:27:04 <Zakim> 10. TF Open Actions  http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track [from janina]
15:27:05 <joanie> Zakim, next item
15:27:06 <Zakim> agendum 10. "TF Open Actions  http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track" taken up [from janina]
15:27:20 <joanie> js: We don't have any open items to discuss at this time
15:28:29 <joanie> regrets+ Cynthia_Shelly
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15:28:43 <joanie> Zakim, part
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15:28:51 <joanie> RRSAgent, stop
15:29:48 <joanie> present+ Judy_Brewer
15:30:00 <joanie> RRSAgent, stop
15:30:42 <joanie> regrets- Mark Sadecki
15:30:49 <joanie> regrets+ Mark_Sadecki
15:30:53 <joanie> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:30:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/13-html-a11y-minutes.html joanie
15:31:10 <joanie> RRSAgent, stop
15:35:06 <joanie> scribeOptions: -final
15:35:17 <joanie> RRSAgent, make minutes
15:35:17 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/13-html-a11y-minutes.html joanie
15:35:22 <joanie> RRSAgent, stop