12:58:15 RRSAgent has joined #sdw 12:58:15 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/08/12-sdw-irc 12:58:17 RRSAgent, make logs world 12:58:17 Zakim has joined #sdw 12:58:19 Zakim, this will be SDW 12:58:19 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 12:58:20 Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference 12:58:20 Date: 12 August 2015 12:58:23 present+ kerry 12:58:24 present+ Frans 12:58:26 present+ LarsG 12:59:05 ahaller2 has joined #sdw 12:59:24 thanks lars! 12:59:35 present+ phila 12:59:49 regrets+ Rachel Heaven 12:59:58 phila has changed the topic to: Who can score 61 runs against England? Obviously not the Aussies... 13:00:00 regrets+ andrea perego 13:00:08 regrets+ ed parsons 13:00:26 regrests+ stefan lemme 13:00:30 regrets- ed parsons 13:00:37 Kostas has joined #sdw 13:00:45 regrets+ jeremy tandy 13:00:52 present+ eparsons 13:01:01 regrets+ payam barnaghi 13:01:17 present+ Kostas 13:01:37 SimonCox has joined #sdw 13:01:37 Linda has joined #sdw 13:01:40 ChrisLittle has joined #sdw 13:01:48 present+ SimonCox 13:02:26 billroberts has joined #sdw 13:02:45 MattPerry has joined #sdw 13:03:08 present+ MattPerry 13:03:12 agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150812 13:03:22 phila has changed the topic to: Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150812 13:03:30 present+ billroberts 13:03:35 chair: Kerry 13:03:44 present+ ChrisLittle 13:04:10 scribe? 13:04:25 present+ ahaller2 13:04:34 joshlieberman has joined #sdw 13:04:37 scribe: eparsons 13:04:51 present+ Linda 13:05:12 present+ joshlieberman 13:05:22 http://www.w3.org/2015/08/05-sdw-minutes.html 13:05:34 approve minutes? 13:05:37 +1 13:05:38 +1 13:05:39 +1 13:05:40 PROPOSED: Accept last week's minutes 13:05:42 +1 to minutes 13:05:42 +1 13:05:45 +1 13:05:50 +1 13:05:50 RESOLVED: Accept last week's minutes 13:06:02 Topic: Patent Call 13:06:14 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Patent_Call 13:06:28 Kerry having a go at 'sledging' 13:06:44 Patent call for OGC - any claims speak up ! 13:07:16 topic: new member 13:07:50 New member - Dickson from Malaysia 13:08:05 Topic: UCR 13:08:06 topic: Use Cases and Requirements: ISSUE-14 Not clear Time req. - temporal reasoning and relations (xsd formats) 13:08:18 Link to the issue: http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/14 13:08:30 Frans to lead discussion 13:08:51 issue-14? 13:08:51 issue-14 -- Not clear Time req. - temporal reasoning and relations (xsd formats) -- open 13:08:51 http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/14 13:09:32 Frans: Issue 14 oldest issue - Req 13:10:20 New requirement: "OWL Time should be updated to conform to the 2012 update of OWL datatypes." 13:11:01 Frans: Happy to vote on new req at this point 13:11:05 ... however, OWL-Time already uses non-OWL datatypes as well, so has the horse bolted? 13:11:41 Frans: 3rd Req temporal relationships related to OWL time 13:11:53 Possible new requirement: "There should be support for temporal relationships (Allen's interval algebra)." 13:12:45 Frans: Discussion already in OWL time does this need to be an additional req ? 13:12:49 suggest change owl datatypes to xsd datatypes in requirement 13:13:12 Kerry: XSD data type as suggested by simoncox 13:14:05 -> http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema-2/ XML Schema Part 2: Datatypes Second Edition 13:14:05 W3C Recommendation 28 October 2004 13:14:53 Simoncox: Just pointing out the confusion in OWL 2.0 time, one XSD was accepted - but not yet consistent 13:15:39 Kerry: Should allow for updates to OWL time and XSD 13:15:59 http://www.w3.org/TR/xmlschema11-2/ 13:16:33 q+ 13:16:34 Simoncox : XSD latest link posted 13:17:02 Frans: Suggested Req please in IRC ? 13:17:28 Phila: New datatypes OK, but not extending XSD ? 13:17:41 1. There is an alignment issue to be resolved or at least clarified 13:17:59 How about "OWL Time should be updated to conform recent changes in related standards (e.g. OWL and XSD)" 13:18:12 Kerry: OWL time has some of XSD types - but old XSD data types 13:18:15 2. nevertheless, OWL-Time relies on a 'temporal reasoner' so already goes beyond OWL. 13:18:56 q- 13:19:09 OWL Time should be updated to conform to the 2012 update of OWL datatypes and 2012 update of xsd datatypes 13:19:49 Kerry: Proposal above... 13:19:53 s/conform/consistent/ 13:20:09 PROPOSED: OWL Time should be updated to align with the 2012 update of OWL datatypes and 2012 update of xsd datatypes 13:20:33 +1 13:20:46 I guess that a requirement to update OWL DL to accept further temporal datatypes is out of scope for this group... 13:20:48 Phila: Make sure backwards compatible 13:21:22 +1 13:21:25 +1 13:21:29 +1 13:21:30 +1 13:21:31 +1 13:21:34 +1 13:21:36 +1 13:21:51 +1 13:21:52 +1 13:21:53 RESOLVED: OWL Time should be updated to align with the 2012 update of OWL datatypes and 2012 update of xsd datatypes 13:22:28 Kerry: Do we need temporal relationships ? 13:22:39 q? 13:22:45 Kerry: Does not think so.. 13:22:55 q? 13:23:17 Frans: Agreed sets Dangerous precedent 13:23:22 q+ 13:23:30 ack c 13:23:31 ack chris 13:23:45 Chris muted 13:24:01 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/12-sdw-minutes.html phila 13:24:27 Perhaps acknowledge that Allen's temporal relationships are already in OWL-Time, bound to the class 'ProperInterval' 13:24:50 ChrisLittle: Jump from time coordinates to calendar could be a mess 13:25:12 q+ 13:25:18 Kerry: proposal to avoid ? 13:25:35 Chrislittle: OGC working on a BP 13:25:54 Kerry: Time special meeting in the future ? 13:26:31 Chrislittle: Chris Tucker might be interested 13:27:13 Chris tucker of Map Story 13:27:15 topic: Best Practice Issues as raised by Jeremy in email and expanded on t 13:27:42 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidated_Narratives 13:27:44 Kerry: Intro end of last week 13:28:50 joshlieberman has joined #sdw 13:28:52 Kerry: Next steps requested by Jeremy 13:29:18 Kerry: "cross-reference these common themes with those in the Data on the Web Best Practice (editors draft) to determine overlap (if any) - we want to avoid duplication 13:29:18 " 13:29:58 kerry, please post link again. irc froze on me. 13:30:09 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidated_Narratives 13:30:45 Kerry: Second task "make sure we are consistent with the Architecture of the web (Volume One)" 13:30:51 q- 13:31:27 what is the deadline for that? 13:31:39 Kerry: Everyone clear ? Volunteers ?? 13:31:51 Kerry: Deadline next week 13:32:15 Kerry: Not a big job.. 13:32:27 q? 13:32:47 Billroberts: Can you clarify tasks ? 13:33:38 Kerry: Next steps 1 + 2 in Doc, and cross reference links to bottom of doc 13:33:43 i volunteer for assignment of identifiers to ‘real-world things’ & information resources 13:34:10 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/BP_Consolidated_Narratives#assignment_of_identifiers_to_.E2.80.98real-world_things.E2.80.99_.26_information_resources 13:34:50 http://philarcher1.github.io/dwbp/bp.html#DataIdentification 13:34:58 Phila: Approach taken by other group 13:35:02 I'll put my hand up for "publishing data with clear semantics" 13:36:21 Phila: Begins with general blub... Defining URI's etc 13:36:30 LarsG has joined #sdw 13:37:18 Phila: Links to BP elsewhere... for example persistent URI's with examples. 13:37:52 Phila: More to add not specifically real world objects - but discuss later 13:38:23 Kerry: need to track changes of external links 13:38:44 I volunteer for 'enabling discovery' 13:38:54 Phila: F2F next month, BP stable by TPAC 13:39:35 Kerry: By next monday if possible, 13:40:35 ChrisLit has joined #sdw 13:41:13 Kerry: Linda - discovery, Bill Publishing, Armin IDs ? 13:41:50 -> http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html DWBP 13:41:52 Phila: Main Doc link.. 13:42:26 Kerry : expressing geo /temporal info anyone ? 13:42:30 me for temporal 13:42:44 Something else, ahaller2, see http://www.w3.org/wiki/HttpRange14Webography... and weep 13:42:49 Ok 13:43:35 Kerry: Exposing Data via API's ? 13:44:20 Kerry: Linking data ?? 13:45:32 Kerry: Task to cross reference from other documents 13:46:34 me/ I will be on leave, offline, next week too 13:47:05 Kerry: please try to complete by next week 13:47:27 Kerry: others if you can add your name - I will pick one 13:48:08 eparsons : data via API's 13:48:28 Kerry: I will do linking datat 13:48:44 I have a general question about the BP deliverable 13:48:58 ack frans 13:49:43 Frans: General question - Top down approach from narratives - what about bottom up writing up a single BP to start ? 13:50:32 Kerry: Not top down - analysis of use cases thus bottom up - editors choice to do this but could be possible 13:51:06 kerry has changed the topic to: Reminder to register for TPAC at Sapporo. A registration fee is payable by both W3C and OGC members: schedule and registration. Please let us know if you are coming here. 13:51:39 Kerry: Sapporo - SVG discussion and WoT lined up 13:51:42 q+ 13:52:00 Kerry: Interactions with other groups important 13:52:23 q+ to talk about Keyworth 13:52:24 Kerry: Please register ASAP 13:52:25 ack chris 13:53:31 ChrisLittle: SVG might be a year away from Geo use.. 13:54:07 Also note that there is a 1.75hr SDWWG session at upcoming OGC TC meeting - Nottingham 2015-09-16T13:00:00 (Wednesday afternoon) 13:54:14 Best practice is best derived from practice... 13:54:17 http://www.opengeospatial.org/events/1509tcagenda 13:54:40 q- 13:55:28 Kerry: May also have SDWWG at Sydney OGC TC 13:56:13 http://www.opengeospatial.org/events/1509tcagenda 13:56:58 Phila: Suggestion to align call with TC meeting 13:57:26 Kerry: Thank you all will add actions to tracker 13:57:30 Meeting at Nottingham TC would start an hour earlier than normal and last 2 hours 13:57:39 Bye !! 13:57:43 thanks bye 13:57:44 bye 13:57:46 bye! 13:57:46 bye! 13:57:49 joshlieberman has left #sdw 13:57:50 apologies for next week 13:57:51 bye 13:57:52 bye 13:57:56 ChrisLit has left #sdw 13:57:58 RRSAgent, draft minutes 13:57:58 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/12-sdw-minutes.html phila 13:58:26 bye, sorry for lack of WebEx access...