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17:01:39 <trackbot> Meeting: Social Web Working Group Teleconference
17:01:39 <trackbot> Date: 11 August 2015
17:01:42 <aaronpk> there we go
17:01:46 <aaronpk> present+ aaronpk
17:01:53 <jasnell_> present+ jasnell
17:01:54 <eprodrom> present+ aaronpk
17:01:59 <csarven> present+ csarven
17:01:59 <eprodrom> ha ha
17:02:01 <eprodrom> Whoops
17:02:02 <cwebber2> preset+ cwebber2
17:02:07 <eprodrom> present+ eprodrom
17:02:20 <ben_thatmustbeme> present+ ben_thatmustbeme
17:02:49 <ben_thatmustbeme> present+ sandro
17:02:53 <ben_thatmustbeme> present+ tantek
17:03:12 <melvster> present+ melvster
17:03:23 <ben_thatmustbeme> present+ Arnaud
17:03:53 <cwebber2> can hear
17:05:03 <eprodrom> I will scribe
17:05:04 <ben_thatmustbeme> I'll scribe
17:05:15 <eprodrom> scribenick eprodrom
17:05:40 <Arnaud> Approval of Minutes of 28 July 2015
17:05:40 <eprodrom> Arnaud: first, admin part
17:05:47 <Arnaud> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-07-28-minutes
17:06:03 <eprodrom> Arnaud: any objections to approving the minutes?
17:06:12 <jasnell> +1 to approving the minutes
17:06:13 <ben_thatmustbeme> i have
17:06:15 <csarven> I opened.
17:06:19 <ben_thatmustbeme> +1 to approve
17:06:19 <eprodrom> I opened and read
17:06:23 <eprodrom> +1
17:06:32 <eprodrom> RESOLVED: Approval of Minutes of 28 July 2015
17:06:40 <eprodrom> TOPIC: Next F2F meeting
17:06:54 <sandro> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-10-29#Participants
17:07:02 <eprodrom> Arnaud: sandro has suggested we need to discuss F2F
17:07:10 <eprodrom> Arnaud: next F2F is in October in Japan
17:07:10 <jasnell> I will not be attending TPAC.
17:07:21 <eprodrom> Arnaud: it is normal to have events around the world for the W3C
17:07:28 <eprodrom> Arnaud: but it is a significant travel effort
17:07:30 <jasnell> I will attempt to join by phone similar to the Paris meeting
17:07:39 <eprodrom> Arnaud: It is a chicken-and-egg issue
17:07:46 <sandro> jasnell, please say that on the wiki page
17:08:03 <cwebber2> it is possible, but unlikely, that I will go.
17:08:06 <eprodrom> Arnaud: we're not asking for hard commitments but we're looking for some intentions
17:08:57 <eprodrom> Arnaud: it's better to have ideas of intentions rather than no idea at all
17:09:07 <eprodrom> Arnaud: TPAC requires registration
17:09:17 <eprodrom> Arnaud: so we have to do both (wiki and TPAC registration)
17:09:24 <melvster> FYI: at TPAC 2012, halloween (Oct 31) was an issue for some US folks with families ...
17:09:29 <KevinMarks> present+ kevinmarks
17:09:33 <eprodrom> Arnaud: There is a cost associated with participating at TPAC (~$85/day)
17:09:48 <eprodrom> Arnaud: it includes a big conference experience (food, space, etc.)
17:09:51 <ben_thatmustbeme> $85 is if you get your tickets in before a certain date
17:09:52 <rhiaro> I will go if I can rustle up funding :)
17:09:57 <eprodrom> Arnaud: and a good opportunity to cross-pollinate
17:09:58 <tantek> q+ to note that last time we met at TPAC it was a VERY productive meeting.
17:10:01 <ben_thatmustbeme> it costs more if you register too late
17:10:02 <Loqi> Alehors made 2 edits to [[Socialwg/2015-10-29]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85338&oldid=0
17:10:03 <Loqi> Alehors made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2015-08-11]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85339&oldid=85336
17:10:04 <Loqi> Sandro made 3 edits to [[Socialwg/2015-10-29]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85344&oldid=85338
17:10:05 <Loqi> Scapadis made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2015-10-29]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85341&oldid=85340
17:10:06 <Loqi> Eprodrom made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2015-10-29]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85342&oldid=85341
17:10:07 <sandro> melvster, it looks like it's feasible to get back in time, given Date Line
17:10:09 <eprodrom> q+
17:10:12 <tsyesika_> rhiaro: you having issues with hangouts or just not calling?
17:10:17 <Arnaud> ack tantek
17:10:17 <Zakim> tantek, you wanted to note that last time we met at TPAC it was a VERY productive meeting.
17:10:40 <eprodrom> tantek: We didn't get all meet in Paris, didn't get everyone in Cambridge
17:10:48 <rhiaro> tysesika_: in transit, not consistant phone signal to dial in
17:10:56 <eprodrom> tantek: the last time we met at TPAC in Santa Clara, it was hugely successful
17:11:03 <eprodrom> tantek: we made a lot of progress
17:11:32 <eprodrom> tantek: we also had a lot of participation from TPAC attendees who wouldn't have come just for a Social Web meeting
17:11:59 <eprodrom> tantek: if there's one WG F2F, this is the one to make
17:12:10 <KevinMarks> where is TPAC this time?
17:12:19 <rhiaro> F2F in Paris was productive, too
17:12:25 <Arnaud> ack eprodrom
17:12:37 <ben_thatmustbeme> KevinMarks, Sapporo JP
17:12:57 <KevinMarks> so $85 a day is trivial compared to travel then
17:13:08 <Arnaud> KevinMarks, indeed
17:13:26 <tantek> KevinMarks: see https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-10-29 and yes, travel will be an expense, as it is for everyone else who traveled to Santa Clara who wasn't in the bay area
17:13:26 <KevinMarks> if I have an expense account for travel, I'll go… TPAC is very good
17:13:29 <eprodrom> eprodrom: could we have better attendance in the USA around the same time period?
17:13:39 <ben_thatmustbeme> there are already people going to JP / have flights
17:13:44 <ben_thatmustbeme> so changing now would probably be bad
17:13:47 <eprodrom> Arnaud: we have a commitment to do this
17:14:23 <eprodrom> Arnaud: we have an 8-week period required for any travel
17:15:02 <ben_thatmustbeme> I think AnnB has expressed her intention of going
17:15:11 <tantek> also if you're a maybe, please indicate what might help convince you to go
17:15:28 <tantek> but definitely add yourself anyway as a Maybe if that's what you are: https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-10-29#Maybe
17:16:11 <eprodrom> Arnaud: if there's a 90% chance you'll be there, please note it
17:17:01 <eprodrom> Arnaud: Ann has asked if people in the WG would meet with the IG in the same time period next week
17:17:26 <eprodrom> TOPIC: Activity Streams 2.0
17:17:53 <cwebber2> it looks like it'll be $2k for the flights alone, not to mention other costs
17:17:56 <cwebber2> I can't make TPAC
17:18:03 <eprodrom> TOPIC: Raised issues for AS 2.0
17:18:17 <eprodrom> Arnaud: There are two issues that have been raised for AS 2.0
17:18:25 <eprodrom> Arnaud: one is related to microformats
17:18:35 <csarven> q+
17:18:38 <tantek> cwebber2, can you add yourself to https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-10-29#Regrets ?
17:18:49 <eprodrom> Arnaud: https://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/44
17:19:12 <eprodrom> Arnaud: it's understood that these examples are only informative, and there's an open action to fix them
17:19:19 <tantek> indeed, and ben_thatmustbeme continues to do work to fix more, and create pull requests accordingly. progress keeps being made.
17:19:22 <eprodrom> q+
17:19:26 <cwebber2> tantek: will do, thanks!
17:19:29 <tantek> I also see no reason to re-open the issue
17:19:35 <Arnaud> ack csarven
17:19:36 <ben_thatmustbeme> rhiaro: has been working on a PR for more too
17:20:03 <Loqi> Eprodrom made 2 edits to [[Socialwg/2015-10-29]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85347&oldid=85344
17:20:04 <Loqi> Sandro made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2015-10-29]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85346&oldid=85345
17:20:05 <Loqi> Rhiaro made 2 edits to [[Socialwg/2015-10-29]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85349&oldid=85347
17:20:14 <eprodrom> csarven: Previous resolutions were about trying to improve the state of microformats in the doc
17:20:24 <eprodrom> csarven: What made it into the document didn't reflect the action
17:20:34 <cwebber2> tantek: I can do remote participation though, so I'll add myself there!
17:20:46 <eprodrom> csarven: The microformat examples are quite draft
17:21:08 <eprodrom> csarven: Whether the AS vocabulary should talk about any except AS is an question
17:21:17 <eprodrom> csarven: all the other examples are AS
17:21:40 <eprodrom> csarven: the microformats examples don't map closely
17:22:08 <csarven> ACTION-26
17:22:08 <trackbot> ACTION-26 -- Tantek Çelik to Review microformats examples in AS2.0 specs -- due 2015-03-17 -- CLOSED
17:22:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Social/track/actions/26
17:22:32 <eprodrom> Arnaud: The issue title and the problem are misaligned
17:22:51 <ben_thatmustbeme> q+ to discuss ISSUE-45 to try to bring up misaligned MF2
17:23:17 <eprodrom> Arnaud: The issue is that there is a misalignment for the mf and AS 2.0 examples
17:23:31 <eprodrom> Arnaud: we should consider different solutions
17:23:46 <Arnaud> ack eprodrom
17:24:24 <tantek> eprodrom: my understanding of why we have the microformats examples in the document, for those people that are familiar with microformats, they should be able to look at both microformats examples and AS2 other syntaxes, and then understand this is how I express this idiom in AS2
17:24:28 <tantek> eprodrom: I think that is a good purpose
17:24:46 <tantek> eprodrom: there are two downsides to it, if we don't have up to date microformats examples, it may be counter productive
17:24:52 <tantek> eprodrom: the other is that they do not map 1:1
17:25:17 <tantek> eprodrom: I wonder if there is a way for us to solve this problem, by taking the microformats examples out to an external note or extra support. the other thing is more work on the microformats examples.
17:25:28 <eprodrom> tantek, thanks
17:25:33 <KevinMarks> are the other examples any better?
17:25:37 <Arnaud> ack ben_thatmustbeme
17:25:37 <Zakim> ben_thatmustbeme, you wanted to discuss ISSUE-45 to try to bring up misaligned MF2
17:25:37 <tantek> eprodrom: I'm not sure we have the organizational will to get the microformats examples up to snuff to make it worthwhile
17:26:12 <tantek> Issue 45
17:26:20 <tantek> issue-45
17:26:20 <trackbot> issue-45 -- Conflicts between json-ld and mf2 examples -- raised
17:26:20 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Social/track/issues/45
17:26:22 <csarven> KevinMarks Yes, JSON-LD, Turtle, RDFa are interchangeable. I havan't looked at Microdata
17:26:36 <eprodrom> ben_thatmustbeme: when I updated the examples, I was putting in the best practices for the community at large right now
17:26:40 <KevinMarks> they are in principle interchangeable; are they in practice?
17:26:50 <csarven> KevinMarks Visit my site.
17:26:52 <KevinMarks> have you parsed them all into a uniform form and compared them?
17:26:56 <csarven> Yes.
17:27:00 <csarven> You should too
17:27:01 <KevinMarks> (the ones in the document)
17:27:05 <csarven> Have you did that for microformats?
17:27:08 <eprodrom> ben_thatmustbeme: do the align completely? No. But that's not the purpose.
17:27:14 <csarven> Have you seen the state of mf? Compare that to the rest.
17:27:20 <eprodrom> Arnaud: ben_thatmustbeme touched on issue 45.
17:27:59 <eprodrom> Arnaud: let's close issue 44 in favour of issue 45
17:28:13 <csarven> mf examples would not be ready for CR
17:28:15 <eprodrom> Arnaud: one possibility is that we remove the examples
17:28:21 <csarven> Has to go through the mf process.
17:28:30 <tantek> csarven: examples don't block CR - they are informative
17:28:40 <csarven> mf examples are not *about* AS
17:28:50 <eprodrom> ha ha
17:28:53 <Arnaud> PROPOSAL: Close ISSUE-44 as duplicative, open ISSUE-45
17:28:59 <KevinMarks> csarven: vocabulary versus syntax
17:29:07 <ben_thatmustbeme> +1
17:29:11 <KevinMarks> you can represent any vocab in mf2
17:29:12 <csarven> KevinMarks mf is a package. mixes vocab and versus
17:29:14 <csarven> -1
17:29:17 <tantek> +1
17:29:21 <eprodrom> +1
17:29:26 <KevinMarks> +1
17:29:27 <melvster> 0
17:29:33 <aaronpk> +1
17:29:49 <cwebber2> +0
17:30:03 <Loqi> Cwebber2 made 1 edit to [[Socialwg/2015-10-29]] https://www.w3.org/wiki/index.php?diff=85350&oldid=85349
17:30:03 <rhiaro> 0
17:30:06 <eprodrom> csarven: I disagree that 44 and 45 are related
17:30:22 <eprodrom> csarven: 45 talks about changing the examples to meet the requirements of mf
17:30:24 <KevinMarks> if you want an example of representing arbitrary vocab in mf2, see http://www.kevinmarks.com/microformatschema.html
17:30:51 <eprodrom> csarven: these are different issues
17:30:56 <tantek> KevinMarks, if anything your post about that demonstrates that arbitrary vocabs are not a good pattern to adopt.
17:31:31 <KevinMarks> I think it does, yes, but csarven is strawmanning about process
17:31:31 <eprodrom> csarven: we can at least have the documentation for why we came up with the examples
17:32:18 <eprodrom> Arnaud: issues are about stating a problem, not suggesting a solution
17:33:17 <tantek> hey csarven, eprodrom gave reasons for it already, all minuted above.
17:33:22 <ben_thatmustbeme> point of order, we are not voting on "Closing" any issue, but rather "Rejecting"
17:33:40 <tantek> it's a bit out of order to say "haven't heard any reasons" when such reasons were spoken on the telcon and minuted
17:33:47 <eprodrom> q+
17:33:56 <tantek> agreed ben_thatmustbeme - reject reopening
17:34:02 <Arnaud> ack eprodrom
17:34:19 <tantek> eprodrom: my suggestion is that we amend the text of issue 45 as you suggested Arnaud
17:34:40 <csarven> Arnaud++
17:34:43 <Loqi> Arnaud has 21 karma
17:34:58 <csarven> Arnaud I have. Please read the email.
17:35:01 <eprodrom> Arnaud: we are 35 minutes into the call, I'm going to overrule and not open issue 44
17:35:09 <csarven> Then why do you state that I should?
17:35:13 <eprodrom> Arnaud: we will defer to issue 45
17:35:28 <csarven> You've overruled. Lets move on
17:35:52 <csarven> As I've stated. ACTION-26 is incomplete.
17:35:55 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Close ISSUE-44 as duplicative, open ISSUE-45
17:35:55 <csarven> That's "new" information.
17:36:21 <cwebber2> amy is here via text, and I will speak yes
17:36:21 <tantek> q?
17:36:33 <rhiaro> cwebber2++
17:36:35 <Loqi> cwebber2 has 39 karma
17:36:56 <eprodrom> TOPIC: Publish AS 2.0 as a Candidate Recommendation
17:37:21 <eprodrom> Arnaud: after consultation with jasnell I think we should take AS 2.0 to CR to move the process along
17:37:33 <eprodrom> q+
17:37:48 <eprodrom> q-
17:38:05 <eprodrom> Arnaud: I'd like to ask jasnell where we are with the spec
17:38:15 <eprodrom> jasnell: The core spec has not changed much at all
17:38:25 <eprodrom> jasnell: except to keep it up-to-date with vocabulary
17:38:29 <eprodrom> jasnell: it is stable
17:38:56 <eprodrom> jasnell: no open issues for core
17:39:06 <eprodrom> jasnell: two major issues for vocabulary
17:39:22 <eprodrom> jasnell: issue 193, related to changes to the collection paging model
17:39:26 <jasnell> https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/pull/191
17:39:28 <jasnell> https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/pull/193
17:39:53 <eprodrom> jasnell: also collection properties
17:39:58 <tantek> q?
17:40:00 <eprodrom> q+
17:40:21 <eprodrom> Arnaud: harry sent an email about the requirements to go to CR
17:40:30 <eprodrom> Arnaud: one requirement is to have our issues closed
17:40:38 <eprodrom> Arnaud: some issues in Tracker are not closed
17:40:56 <Arnaud> ack eprodrom
17:41:35 <eprodrom> eprodrom: do we need to have interoperable implementations for CR?
17:41:43 <jasnell> btw... in terms of implementation, http://github.com/jasnell/activitystrea.ms is up to date to the current editor's draft
17:42:04 <eprodrom> Arnaud: no, CR means that we are showing to the world and asking for implementations
17:42:18 <sandro> q+ to ask about implementations
17:42:19 <eprodrom> Arnaud: we do need to have a test suite
17:42:36 <Arnaud> ack sandro
17:42:36 <Zakim> sandro, you wanted to ask about implementations
17:42:48 <eprodrom> Arnaud: once the spec is frozen for CR, we can move on to test suite
17:43:04 <eprodrom> sandro: we should know how long the CR period will be
17:43:19 <eprodrom> q+
17:43:38 <Arnaud> ack eprodrom
17:43:59 <sandro> sandro: So who is planning to implement?  When?   And will it be complete
17:44:03 <melvster> q+
17:44:05 <eprodrom> eprodrom: pump.io will implement
17:44:08 <Arnaud> ack melvster
17:44:11 <cwebber2> yes
17:44:13 <sandro> eprodrom: pump.io wont be consuming until we know what the API looks like
17:44:18 <eprodrom> Arnaud: who else is planning to implement
17:44:23 <cwebber2> q+
17:44:27 <eprodrom> sandro, thanks, true
17:44:31 <tantek> I have AS1/Atom on my site tantek.com. No intention to implement AS2 in its current form.
17:44:54 <eprodrom> melvster: we will consider demonstration implementations
17:45:17 <KevinMarks> we should contact large-scale users of AS1 to see if they are interested in implementing
17:45:19 <melvster> q-
17:45:25 <rhiaro> I plan to experiment with AS2 for my site, small scale
17:45:31 <eprodrom> Arnaud: what are the exit criteria and what is the time frame?
17:45:42 <eprodrom> Arnaud: one is the expiration of the working group
17:45:51 <eprodrom> Arnaud: another is having two implementations
17:45:57 <KevinMarks> gnip, echo et al
17:46:12 <eprodrom> Arnaud: In practice, it's a minimum of two
17:46:24 <eprodrom> Arnaud: But it should be more
17:46:33 <tantek> KevinMarks - do you have a wiki page documenting such "large-scale users of AS1" with citations?
17:46:35 <Arnaud> ack cwebber2
17:46:36 <eprodrom> Arnaud: we have had this case before and chose not to go forward
17:46:40 <Arnaud> ack cwebber
17:47:55 <tantek> q+ to note that per process we have to have zero open issues, if they're trivial, then that trivial work needs to be done to propose + drive resolutions BEFORE proposing going to CR. but there's a bigger elephant in the room, which is that AS2 and modern interoperable publishing practices continue to diverge. It's VERY BAD for a spec for it and modern practices to diverge, and we need to acknowledge that.
17:47:59 <eprodrom> Arnaud: let's move on
17:48:04 <Arnaud> ack tantek
17:48:04 <Zakim> tantek, you wanted to note that per process we have to have zero open issues, if they're trivial, then that trivial work needs to be done to propose + drive resolutions BEFORE
17:48:07 <Zakim> ... proposing going to CR. but there's a bigger elephant in the room, which is that AS2 and modern interoperable publishing practices continue to diverge. It's VERY BAD for a spec
17:48:07 <Zakim> ... for it and modern practices to diverge, and we need to acknowledge that.
17:48:27 <eprodrom> tantek: we have to hit 0 issues for the spec
17:48:37 <eprodrom> tantek: if we have trivial issues, we have to wrap them up
17:49:15 <eprodrom> tantek: I feel that AS 2.0 and modern publishing and consuming practices on the web have continued to diverge
17:49:24 <eprodrom> tantek: that's bad for any spec
17:49:51 <eprodrom> tantek: if it doesn't reflect practice, then it's a bad direction
17:50:05 <eprodrom> tantek: standards work best when they reflect current practice
17:50:19 <csarven> Define "modern publishing and consuming practices"
17:50:45 <eprodrom> Arnaud: we should discuss and consider for next call
17:50:47 <tantek> csarven - people actually publishing content on the social web, not just in silos
17:50:48 <aaronpk> I hear that as saying standards should be descriptive rather than prescriptive
17:50:51 <eprodrom> TOPIC: Social Web API
17:50:55 <ben_thatmustbeme> this is a pretty good doc amy made
17:50:57 <ben_thatmustbeme> rhiaro++
17:51:00 <Loqi> rhiaro has 139 karma
17:51:01 <eprodrom> Arnaud: cwebber to discuss API requirements created by rhiaro
17:51:03 <cwebber2> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Requirements
17:51:37 <KevinMarks> echoplatform.com and http://support.gnip.com/apis/consuming_streaming_data.html both translate various silos into AS1 JSON
17:51:55 <eprodrom> cwebber2: Amy broke down the user stories into a structured data format
17:52:03 <tantek> KevinMarks - rather than listing individual examples, can you please add them to a AS1 JSON implementations page?
17:52:03 <csarven> tantek Are you suggesting that AS2 leans on the silo-practice?
17:52:06 <eprodrom> cwebber2: with color-coded marks
17:52:50 <eprodrom> cwebber2: we're thinking of using this document as a bridge
17:52:51 <tantek> rhiaro++ for https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Requirements
17:52:54 <Loqi> rhiaro has 140 karma
17:53:02 <eprodrom> cwebber2: since it works more or less like a todo list
17:53:05 <tantek> cwebber2++ for walking us through https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/Requirements - good way to attempt to focus
17:53:08 <Loqi> cwebber2 has 40 karma
17:53:19 <ben_thatmustbeme> cwebber2++ for presenting that
17:53:21 <Loqi> cwebber2 has 41 karma
17:53:30 <eprodrom> cwebber2: aaronpk, rhiaro and cwebber2 will work on implementations
17:53:49 <KevinMarks> there is a mismatch between https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams#Implementations and https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams/Examples
17:53:58 <eprodrom> cwebber2: this will help us compare where specs are in sync or not
17:54:09 <aaronpk> q+
17:54:36 <KevinMarks> we should audit https://www.w3.org/wiki/Activity_Streams#Implementations to see if any examples exist
17:54:40 <eprodrom> cwebber2: is anyone else interested in implementations
17:54:53 <eprodrom> cwebber2: both aaronpk and rhiaro are re-engineering their sites
17:55:15 <Arnaud> ack aaronpk
17:55:40 <eprodrom> jasnell: if you're looking at the document, there's different color-coding
17:55:54 <jasnell> eprodrom: that's not me :-)
17:55:58 <jasnell> that's aaron
17:56:03 <eprodrom> Oh crap
17:56:05 <eprodrom> Thanks
17:56:09 <tantek> s/jasnell/aaronpk
17:56:15 <eprodrom> aaronpk: if you're looking at the document, there's different color-coding
17:56:30 <eprodrom> aaronpk: and we can use those color-codes to break down the effort in the integration
17:56:37 <ben_thatmustbeme> cwebber2, i am trying to keep my site up to date as much as possible when i have time
17:56:53 <eprodrom> q+
17:56:54 <cwebber2> ben_thatmustbeme: maybe say that on the call?
17:56:57 <Arnaud> ack eprodrom
17:56:58 <tantek> q?
17:56:59 <jasnell> o/
17:57:20 <ben_thatmustbeme> q+
17:57:25 <Arnaud> ack ben_thatmustbeme
17:57:50 <eprodrom> ben_thatmustbeme: I will be working on SWAT0
17:57:55 <eprodrom> Arnaud: any other comments?
17:58:04 <eprodrom> q+
17:58:13 <Arnaud> ack eprodrom
17:58:39 <melvster> FYI: https://github.com/w3c-social/social-ucr
17:58:50 <cwebber2> eprodrom: are these all approved user stories, I thought we had some other user stories that were not on here
17:58:56 <cwebber2> rhiaro^^
17:59:00 <jasnell> before we close, just a reminder to everyone: I need input on github issues #191 and #193 as mentioned earlier (https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues/193, https://github.com/jasnell/w3c-socialwg-activitystreams/issues/191)
17:59:01 <aaronpk> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/Social_API/User_stories#Approved_user_stories
17:59:07 <rhiaro> THey're the ones .. yeah, there ^
17:59:10 <cwebber2> :)
17:59:22 <ben_thatmustbeme> these are the only approved ones
17:59:55 <ben_thatmustbeme> q+
18:00:11 <rhiaro> I will be happy to keep this Req doc up to date as more user stories are approved, using the same process
18:00:16 <Arnaud> ack ben_thatmustbeme
18:00:28 <rhiaro> if people are agreeing with the results
18:00:29 <aaronpk> oh it looks like we approved *only* the +1 ones https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-05-12-minutes#approve-all-plus-one-user-stories
18:00:31 <eprodrom> ben_thatmustbeme: yes, we only approved ones that were unanimous
18:00:55 <rhiaro> We all need to work with the IG to approve more though
18:01:22 <ben_thatmustbeme> Arnaud++
18:01:25 <Loqi> Arnaud has 22 karma
18:01:35 <rhiaro> Everyone who -1d a story has a responsibility to respond to requests from the IG, I think
18:01:36 <eprodrom> ben_thatmustbeme: we tried to approve 1/0 ones, but couldn't get consensus
18:01:41 <tantek> eprodrom++ for scribing!
18:01:47 <ben_thatmustbeme> eprodrom++
18:01:51 <eprodrom> Arnaud: closing, will have next meeting in two weeks
18:01:55 <cwebber2> eprodrom++
18:02:04 <tantek> Arnaud++ for chairing
18:02:04 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
18:02:04 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
18:02:04 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
18:02:04 <cwebber2> Arnaud++ for chairing
18:02:06 <cwebber2> and!
18:02:11 <cwebber2> rhiaro++ for the great document
18:02:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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18:02:13 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
18:02:13 <RRSAgent> I see no action items