14:58:22 RRSAgent has joined #dpub 14:58:22 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/08/03-dpub-irc 14:58:24 ayla_stein has joined #DPUB 14:58:24 RRSAgent, make logs public 14:58:24 Zakim has joined #dpub 14:58:26 Zakim, this will be dpub 14:58:26 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 14:58:27 Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference 14:58:27 Date: 03 August 2015 14:58:33 present+ Ivan_Herman 14:58:42 Chair: Tzviya 14:58:53 murakami has joined #dpub 14:59:00 Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/d49cb79abf7a4d9297e6666717b33f4e@CAR-WNMBP-006.wiley.com 14:59:04 pkra has joined #dpub 14:59:27 present+ Dave_Cramer 14:59:33 NickRuffilo has joined #dpub 14:59:36 present+ Peter Krautzberger 15:00:12 present+ Charles LaPierre 15:00:53 present+ Alan Stearns 15:00:59 dauwhe has joined #dpub 15:01:24 TimCole has joined #dpub 15:01:29 HeatherF has joined #dpub 15:01:30 don't get him started ;) 15:01:46 o/ hello 15:02:08 pbelfanti has joined #dpub 15:02:13 present+ Heather Flanagan 15:02:17 Julie_Morris has joined #dpub 15:02:24 Present+ Tim_Cole 15:02:50 Bert has joined #dpub 15:02:53 Present+ Alan_Stearns 15:03:03 Present + Julie_Morris 15:03:13 tzviya has joined #dpub 15:03:17 Present+ Michael_Miller 15:03:19 present+ duga 15:03:31 Present+ Shinyu_Murakami 15:03:45 Present 15:04:01 Present+ Paul_Belfanti 15:04:01 scribenick: NickRuffilo 15:04:11 Present 15:04:20 Present+ Ayla_Stein 15:04:35 Present+ Bert_Bos 15:04:35 Present+ Bert 15:04:57 Present+ Tzviya 15:05:27 Present+ Bill_Kasdorf 15:05:37 clones should be telepathically linked? 15:06:03 Present+ David_Stroup 15:06:09 agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-digipub-ig/2015Jul/0078.html 15:06:15 chair: Tzviya 15:06:43 http://www.w3.org/2015/07/27-dpub-minutes.html 15:06:47 Tzviya: "Minutes from last week, comments?" 15:06:58 ...: "Minutes approved." 15:07:25 david_stroup has joined #dpub 15:07:57 ...: "There were some emails about the ARIA described-at property. They are not officially the ARIA-taskforce will soon be the ARIA working group. They have invited the publishing community to join their meeting at." 15:08:02 bjdmeest has joined #dpub 15:08:15 Present+ Ben_De_Meester 15:08:28 Bill_Kasdorf has joined #dpub 15:08:54 present+ Bill_Kasdorf 15:09:06 ...: "The described-at is at risk for being removed. Deborah and the accessibility task force have done a good job writing about why it is important. If you have examples of how it's in use and the usability, please pass it along. If your org is using it, please attend! August 13th at 12:30 EST" 15:09:26 q? 15:09:27 ...: "If people want additional background, let me know." 15:10:16 ...: "meeting is scheduled for 90 minutes, but this topic will be early in the agenda so publishers can get out after." 15:10:38 http://w3c.github.io/dpub-pagination/priorities.html 15:10:44 ...: "The next item: 'Pagination, prioritization, and other CSS excitements." 15:10:54 (very excited) dave: "Hello..." 15:11:57 Dave: "As far as CSS priorities, we discussed in the beginning of July, there were some edits to GitHub, and I'm not sure where we go from here... Anyone? Thoughts?" 15:12:05 Tzviya: "A few people were talked to offline." 15:12:36 +q 15:12:42 Dave: "I've been adding stuff about Math and I think there are a few more things we can do about that. There has been chatter about font-metrics API spec that could be helpful on the font side." 15:12:50 q? 15:13:04 ack bra 15:13:06 Brady: "I haven't yet provided my thoughts." 15:13:11 ack pkr 15:13:44 Peter: "I just wanted to ask if I should bother more people about font metrics. It's pretty clear that it really wouldn't do the job for us. The 2nd and 3rd path about the conversations, it isn't clear if we are talking about the same things..." 15:14:16 Alan: "Keep talking. We may not get to them in the 1st pass, but knowing where we're going is really important." 15:14:28 *maniacal laugh* :) 15:14:40 Tzviya: "Brady, is there something specific you'd like to see or do you want to do it on the list?" 15:14:46 Brady: "I'll do it on the list." 15:15:41 Since I'm trying to write out the requirements for a CSS design for RFCs, I'm watching this space with interest and not nearly enough knowledge! 15:15:46 priorities: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15IsDMPwSXx197Iqe4I9xh7K8anmJ5c0-OFEG7w0LHYM/edit?usp=sharing 15:16:10 Dave: "I need to get my head back into this document and then. CSS and Houdini are coming up at the end of this month, so this will be a good guide for dicsussions with those groups." 15:16:24 q+ 15:16:27 ack iv 15:16:28 Dave: "Deadline: a week from Friday. August 14th. For having the document in order." 15:17:03 Ivan: "The experience we had was that having a published document has more weight. Do we want to publish a DRAFT of the document before the face-to-face? Is it worth doing, do you feel it can be done?" 15:17:11 Dave: "I'm always happy to publish." 15:17:34 Ivan: "Question is also to Alan. Is it good enough for the CSS working group? We did have issues not publishing enough the last rounds." 15:18:10 Alan: "Having a publicly available draft is most important for the Houdini working group. having an officially published draft, not sure how useful that is." 15:18:33 ivan: "The feedback on latinreq is that 'nothing happened therefore we believe everything is solved'." 15:18:57 Dave: "Should we publish a new working draft of LatinReq? Changes have been made." 15:19:37 q? 15:19:38 Ivan: "it gives us visibility and beats some other bushes, which may be useful. I'll aim to have both documents ready to go to publish a working draft by the end of next week. 15:20:04 https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Portable_Package_Requirements 15:22:00 Tzviya: "Portable package document requirements. It has been transfered over to the wiki. We spoke at length last week. We've discussed what is required for a protable document. There are 3 states. Online, Offline [cached] and portable[network indepentent]. If we're living in a service worker world, then we can create it from the online state." 15:23:06 ...: "The concept of metadata is either relevant to the package or separate. A manifest may not be a requirement. Navigation isn't necessarily relevant to the package. But having software that is able to consume information is what is most important. I do not want to be the only person editing this. We should have use-cases for all of these." 15:23:09 q+ 15:23:13 ack nic 15:23:37 Nikc: "What is portable?" 15:23:50 q+ 15:24:15 q+ 15:24:15 Tzviya: "Online is online - offline is brief disruption. Portable is no network exists." 15:25:02 ack dauwhe 15:25:10 Tzviya: "Online, Cached, and offline? Online, Cached, portable?" 15:26:01 Dave: "Is there an actual distinction here? If something is being accessed from an external server? And a 3rd case where there is no server connection. I think of a traditional epub as the portable document, but some things we're looking at are more like websites and cache." 15:26:06 ack ivan 15:27:10 +1 to online, cached, and portable because "offline" implies both cached and portable states 15:27:18 q+ 15:28:02 Ivan: "What is the target of this specific document? I know there is 1 thing we ought to do - go back to the web-application group. We need to have clear uses/use-cases that some packaging format is necessary. Essentially saying that some sort of a packaging format is necessary. If that is the goal, then there are some issues in the list that are definitely exciting and interesting but not 15:28:02 relevant for that specific issue - such as metadata (which is within the file and not an issue here)" 15:29:14 Tzviya: "Agreed - i think most of the things listed here are irrelevant to packages. It came about on the use-cases for packaging. They were hold-over from epubs. Such as rights-management which is not relevant to packaging. Stable links or a method for identifying the package as well as the components for the package." 15:29:19 Ivan: "And streaming..." 15:29:41 ack Tim 15:29:43 Tzviya: "So the next steps are to tease out what is important and useful to packaging." 15:30:56 Tim: "On that same vein. In reading the document right now, I'm unclear the definition of a publication. Notes that can be added - links that can be changed. There are some things on the list of items that bleed over into what might change a bit - update new components. Where is this and the idea of package relative to the dynamic nature of publications today." 15:31:57 Tzivya: "Even with an archived form, there is a method of update. Archive with a formal archive, we could have versions - version 1.0, but online could have a different version. " 15:32:05 q? 15:32:11 Tim: "And when the resource comes online, the package needs a way to update." 15:32:51 I'll look at it and see if I can come up with use cases. 15:33:21 Tzviya: "The archived media specification was put on hold." 15:34:18 Heather: "There was enough energy to get the group started, but not do any of the work. It can restart if people show a willingness to work, but I don't see it go any further. The draft they did is still available and we can use that." 15:34:48 Ivan: "It might be helpful, if nothing else, to get the terminology right. I know you have sent around the link, but please do it again. - to the mailing list." 15:35:14 Tzviya: "Next agenda item: group charter." 15:35:25 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-ac-members/2015JulSep/0021.html 15:37:01 q? 15:37:06 Q+ 15:37:12 ivan: "reminder for the goal: we want enough votes to extend the group by just switching to the new charter. It would be the cleanest and best way. There is a rule at W3C that when there is a charter out, then 5% of the membership should be in favor of the charter. The practice says we should have 20 votes in. Of course, the important players should cast their votes. At this moment we have 15:37:12 13 votes in. " 15:37:59 ...: "The practice/experience is that just waiting for votes to come in rarely works. We try to contact some members/AC reps to try to get them to vote. Members that I think are important. The most important thing is that everyone who is active on this group to get their votes in." 15:38:00 q+ 15:38:42 ...: "I have 5 people who are on the call who belong to members who have not yet voted... Ben, Dave, Mike Miller, Brady, and Alan" 15:38:55 ...: "Mike - you are the AC rep and can vote directly." 15:39:22 I'll remind Carl today 15:40:11 I'll remind Erik today as well :) 15:40:16 ...: "For the others, it's up to you to tell me if you want me to contact internally or I'll do it directly. Marcus and Bill need to vote. I will try to contact IBM, Rich's participation is important. Microsoft, mozilla, Rakuten... I have already contacted some others who have already voted. You tell me what I should do." 15:40:23 Brady: "I will handle it internally." 15:40:35 ack heather 15:40:40 Alan: "I'll contact internally." 15:40:44 q- 15:40:45 ack nick 15:41:08 Ivan: "The fear I have - because I'm in france - isn't pierre on vacation?" 15:42:30 Ivan: "If the votes come in, then we are done. For the image of it, we certainly need IDPF's vote. Marcus?" 15:42:34 q+ 15:42:43 ack brady 15:42:47 ...: "The more the merrier - as of no, no objections or critical comments only positive." 15:43:56 http://www.w3.org/2015/10/TPAC/ 15:44:32 +1 15:44:33 +1 15:44:33 +1 15:44:34 +1 15:44:36 +1 15:44:39 -1 15:44:45 +1 if trade publishing still exists in October 15:44:45 Tzviya: "If you're planning on goign to TPAC, please +q" 15:44:48 -1 15:44:51 ..: "+1...." 15:45:03 no... 15:45:24 There is a wiki page for travel logistics 15:45:27 If I can get travel approval 15:45:33 https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/Oct_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details 15:45:45 Tzviya: "We can start putting ideas for sessions on the Wiki page above. Flight info, etc." 15:46:37 +1 (forgot to press Enter :-) ) 15:46:41 ...: "we want to hear ideas for sessions - one session per taskforces. Who do you want to meet with? If this ends up being 1 day about accessibility, then one day about CSS we want to be more diverse... Alan says ArinBnB are much cheaper..." 15:46:46 +1 15:47:08 Ivan: "I booked all flights - one flight jumped 300 euros in one day. Prices are going up 15:48:36 Tzviya: "Agenda items for next week? deborah - accessibility update?" 15:48:43 q+ 15:49:08 Charles: "I'm on vacation next week." 15:49:17 ack heather 15:49:34 that happens 47 minjutes into every call 15:49:37 please breath slowly and ominously. 15:49:40 Heather: (darth vader) "We had some dsicussion at the face-2-face/..." 15:49:42 yes 15:49:52 At the NYC f2f, we talked about education 15:50:02 Can we get an update on how to do more there? 15:50:21 Present+ Karen_Myers 15:50:37 q? 15:50:42 bye. 15:50:42 Nick: "Yes, lets have an agenda item update for next week on education..." 15:54:12 rrsagent, draft minutes 15:54:12 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/03-dpub-minutes.html ivan 15:54:18 clapierre has left #dpub 15:54:22 trackbot, end telcon 15:54:22 Zakim, list attendees 15:54:22 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 15:54:30 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 15:54:30 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/08/03-dpub-minutes.html trackbot 15:54:31 RRSAgent, bye 15:54:31 I see no action items