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14:51:01 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 2119
14:51:01 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
14:51:02 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:51:02 <trackbot> Date: 30 July 2015
14:51:35 <janina> agenda?
14:51:41 <janina> zakim, clear agenda
14:51:41 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:51:45 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:51:48 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Edits & Additions
14:51:51 <janina> agenda+ Web Payments Accessibility -- Shane, Manu
14:51:53 <janina> agenda+ Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Mark, Janina, Paul, PLH
14:51:56 <janina> agenda+ Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam
14:51:58 <janina> agenda+ Transcript Support Update -- John, Chaals, Cynthia
14:52:01 <janina> agenda+ Tab Panels Update -- Leonie, Et Al
14:52:03 <janina> agenda+ Bug Triage -- Leonie
14:52:06 <janina> agenda+ TF Open Actions  http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track
14:52:08 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:52:11 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:52:24 <janina>  present+ Janina
14:52:31 <janina> zakim, next item
14:52:31 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
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14:58:40 <janina> Thanks, Shane. You're near the top on the TF agenda for Web Payments
14:59:01 <janina> We can take up other items until you get there. No one on the call just yet
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15:02:31 <ShaneM> uggh - what's the webex code
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15:02:55 <ShaneM> its not in the agenda
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15:03:41 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
15:03:43 <manu> Present+ Manu
15:04:17 <Judy_> Present+ Judy
15:04:31 <David_> Scribe: David_
15:04:35 <paulc> present+ paulc
15:04:39 <David_> Present +David
15:05:09 <janina> zakim, next item
15:05:09 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Agenda Edits & Additions" taken up [from janina]
15:05:09 <IanPouncey> present +IanPouncey
15:05:55 <Ryladog_> Present+ Katie Haritos-Shea
15:05:55 <janina> zakim, next item
15:05:55 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, janina
15:06:02 <janina> zakim, close this item
15:06:02 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:06:03 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:06:03 <Zakim> 3. Web Payments Accessibility -- Shane, Manu [from janina]
15:06:06 <janina> zakim, next item
15:06:06 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Web Payments Accessibility -- Shane, Manu" taken up [from janina]
15:06:46 <David_> Janina: Manu and shane will introduce web payments update. main topic today
15:07:44 <liam> present+ Liam
15:07:56 <Ryladog_> q+ for after Shane and Manu present
15:09:32 <David_> Shane: overview. lots of activity for years, there are two separate related activities, credential activity, web payment activity charter effort. a oot going on a11y concern from day 1 ive been involved from beginning.
15:11:12 <David_> Manu: thanks for the invite. there are 2 initiatives, 1)credentials, oroving who you are, drivers licences shipping address age, 2) payments both have community groups nad also a web payment working group and interest group
15:11:36 <David_> Payments is chartered, we know a11y is important, and looking for guidance form html5
15:12:30 <manu> Web Payments Interest Group
15:12:30 <manu> http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/
15:12:32 <David_> Manu: examples. request from staff contact web paments that it is clear that a11y group establish relationship, do reviews and provide advice for adequat if not exenlt way.
15:12:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Rich
15:13:02 <David_> paymwents, goole, bloomber, rob a bank us treasury etc... wide interest from key players
15:13:21 <manu> Web Payments Vision
15:13:21 <manu> http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/Vision
15:13:48 <manu> Web Payments Roadmap
15:13:48 <manu> http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/Roadmap/
15:13:56 <David_> The output has vbeen vision, roadmap , use cases http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/   http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/Vision  notice access to all, have a road map for 1.0
15:14:06 <David_> 	http://www.w3.org/Payments/IG/Roadmap/
15:14:09 <janina> q?
15:14:16 <janina> q+
15:14:21 <David_> Msnu: big space, trying to be focused in v1
15:14:57 <David_> payment flow, unifying it, standard way to initiate, standard fromto wallet, standard response that payment has been made,
15:15:17 <David_> for a11y as part of the flow, want to provide hooks that people can use their own devices
15:15:47 <David_> concerned about commerce flow
15:16:24 <David_> Manu: Katie and Shane, and Leonie have all provided good feedback to group to date
15:16:42 <Judy_> s/good/excellent/
15:17:34 <Judy> s/Msnu/Manu/
15:18:16 <David_> katie: want to build off what manu said about specifoc guidance and API being, have to go further for multiple form factors, I'm concerned stuff that gets in sometimes disappears, Manu has been great and won't let it slide ... sometimes perhpas critics feel it is too generic... but I'll fight for it because
15:18:43 <janina> q?
15:18:56 <David_> some on the groups feel a11y is fluff, but I try to ensure that banks understand thay they have accountabioity for this
15:19:04 <manu> ack Ryladog_
15:19:04 <Zakim> Ryladog_, you wanted to discuss after Shane and Manu present
15:19:09 <manu> q+ to respond to Janina
15:19:14 <David_> JS: Process, scope and procedure questions to ask
15:19:38 <janina> ack r
15:19:41 <David_> JS:Process manu are all of the community groups under our care ...
15:19:41 <janina> ack j
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15:21:24 <David_> Manu: credentialling is at risk, trying to find a new way rather than all of the form field. a credential would have all that metadata, but browser vendors, very loud don't want credentials to get in the way of payments. f2f in NYC, this came up so we circled around and proved to w3C thqt credentially is important to web
15:21:44 <David_> Menu: Payments has quite a bit of steam W3C didn't want to interfere
15:22:08 <David_> We hope credentials will follow in 4-6 months, but no real relationship right now
15:22:36 <David_> JS: Scoping: do we use the same technology at the gas pump or only web sites
15:23:07 <David_> manu: careful about scoping ... today only about browsers, some group member hope it will become ubiqutous
15:23:30 <David_> but currently just the web,... for a11y it would be a huge issue.
15:24:29 <David_> National assoc of convenience store, nnexux, merchants advisory group, target and Wallmart... expectation is thatnpeople can bring their own divices and execute exchanges, this is the long term vision
15:25:08 <David_> JS: Suggestion- the media work we did specified user requiremnts for  media, do we want to do something similar for web payments
15:25:10 <janina> q?
15:25:15 <manu> q-
15:25:55 <manu> Web Payments Working Group Draft Charter
15:25:55 <manu> http://www.w3.org/2015/06/payments-wg-charter.html
15:26:32 <Judy> q+
15:26:36 <janina> q?
15:26:45 <David_> Manu: a couple places, I went through docs to find discussion of a11y ... didn't find much in vision and roadmap, in charter only one place we call it out, where we discuss this groups participation. we are looking for charter suggestions in august for the review of the charter
15:27:09 <Ryladog_> Great idea Shane. +1
15:27:22 <David_> we don't have enough exoerts to push it as a main work product, so we want you to tell us what to do the stregnthen the relationship between our groups
15:28:32 <janina> q?
15:28:36 <David_> JB: Ian Jacobs met with me last week, ahead of Mgmt review, i concur the intent to work well. I support requiremtns doc shane mentioned, I feel that this is needed, and would like to translate it to work items
15:28:44 <Judy> ack J
15:28:55 <manu> Web Payments Use Cases
15:28:55 <manu> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webpayments/raw-file/default/WD/use-cases/2015-07-28/Overview.html
15:29:28 <David_> Manu: Use cases document https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webpayments/raw-file/default/WD/use-cases/2015-07-28/Overview.html this is where we start. the other docsare high level. Here we get more concrete
15:29:31 <Judy> s/would like to/think it's needed in order to/
15:30:32 <David_> every single use case, broken out two big sections, we discuss payment flows, one general abstract flow, 4 stages, negotition of terms... i'm offereing basket for 15Us accept bit coin
15:31:27 <David_> 2) Customer selects payment means, if there is a match it goes ahead, we expect many wallets in market, expect some to have better a11y than others
15:31:56 <janina> q?
15:32:08 <David_> 3) .... 4) machine readable.  (see document for better desciption)
15:33:37 <David_> Manu: biometric use case, incurred biometric rather than password, ... give motivation, and add anote for a11y ... not everyone can provide fingerpring or e
15:34:02 <David_> or eyescanning.... therefore have mulitple modalities
15:34:15 <janina> q?
15:34:21 <David_> ask the group to look at all use cases and take them into account
15:34:24 <ShaneM> q+ to ask about API specs
15:34:28 <Ryladog_> q+
15:34:28 <manu> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/webpayments/raw-file/default/WD/use-cases/2015-07-28/Overview.html#uc-biometric
15:34:35 <janina> ack sh
15:34:35 <Zakim> ShaneM, you wanted to ask about API specs
15:34:56 <Judy> q+
15:35:20 <manu> q+ to mention implementations being the best way to understand whether solutions are accessible.
15:35:48 <David_> shaneM: On Web payments, API specs, there are lots of specs that come out, and will have API, and we've had trouble, that we don't know what they do...
15:36:38 <David_> SM: If there is feedback we can give to help articulate requirements and pecs of the API please let us know (Ian Jacobs)
15:37:48 <David_> JS: We've seen tons ofncode but if wendon't wse the problem stated in prose, and manyna11y don't understand it and hard to know whether it meets what it sets out to meet. If the code is understandable but without text about what it is doing then problematic.
15:38:16 <janina> q?
15:38:20 <janina> ack r
15:38:24 <David_> JS: Spec writing with a11y in mind. We can create a document of how to lay out a11y soecs in specifications
15:39:19 <manu> +1 to Katie's suggestion - would love to see that.
15:39:20 <David_> Katie: Suggest, go to link manu gave, for the personas, if we could have this group provide a persona for each use case that could be a good starting place
15:39:21 <janina> ack ju
15:40:16 <janina> ack m
15:40:16 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to mention implementations being the best way to understand whether solutions are accessible.
15:40:29 <David_> I think that the AOI for IAN came from conversation last week, the way APis are written is evolving, i support shane's suggewtion of us spelling outnin a document what the AOI shpuld spell out a11y
15:40:29 <Judy> q+
15:41:15 <janina> q?
15:41:20 <Judy> s/AOI/API/
15:41:22 <Judy> s/AOI/API/
15:42:17 <David_> Manu: i get that, o don't know how to map the web IDL ... we don't really know that until we do an implementation. that's the best way to discover if the web IDL is ok, but that is moneyand time. Our org could work with this group to do this, but it's time and money and our org has shifting prioritites, so if this group could ask for implementation and ask for proof we could get some traction
15:42:29 <janina> q+ to talk about lack of robust a11y interfaces in mobile devices
15:42:33 <David_> of finding out if the API is accessiboe
15:42:36 <janina> ack ju
15:43:13 <David_> JB: I also concerned, we don't have a lot of resources, but we can provide good input if the work areas can share that work
15:44:50 <David_> JS: +1 PF have agreed we will morph, not sure how but expect there will be a TF or some way to review. Exciting to me.... use case suggested by Manu is a good place to start
15:45:13 <David_> JS: on mobile, i'm struck how interface is for critical things, in mynexperience
15:46:15 <janina> q?
15:46:19 <janina> ack ja
15:46:19 <Zakim> janina, you wanted to talk about lack of robust a11y interfaces in mobile devices
15:46:23 <David_> JS: example, hard to enter digist with a screen reader on a phone, times out early, unacceptable, can't have this lack of robustness, this doesn't happen on desktop anymore
15:46:34 <ShaneM> Sounds like a requirement for the PAUR
15:46:52 <Ryladog_> yup
15:46:59 <David_> Manu: thanks tonshane for the invite, that's all for me, thanks to those who've
15:48:24 <Judy> 1) liaison w/ payments
15:48:31 <Judy> 2) liaison w/ credentialling
15:48:36 <Judy> 3) comments on charter
15:48:43 <Judy> 4) comments on use cases
15:49:03 <David_> Action item for this group figure out liaison with payments group   (2) comment on charter 3)  comment on use cases. And roll those into the credentials as they roll out)
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15:49:10 <janina> q?
15:49:30 <David_> s/figure/1) figure
15:49:55 <David_> JS: excited and interested to work together. I'm lookingnforward and others too
15:50:23 <David_> Shane: wep payments wil be a atoac as will we
15:50:44 <David_> s/atoac/TPAC
15:52:05 <David_> Suporo Japan 26 Oct 2015
15:52:20 <Judy> agenda?
15:52:52 <janina> zakim, next item
15:52:52 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Mark, Janina, Paul, PLH" taken up [from janina]
15:53:02 <David_> JS: Thanks to Shane and Manu
15:53:14 <David_> JS: Canvas 2D
15:53:52 <paulc> See note/summary/ask from Philippe: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Jul/0047.html
15:54:01 <David_> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-a11y/2015Jul/0047.html
15:54:59 <paulc> First item in plh's email is https://github.com/w3c/2dcontext/issues/10
15:55:46 <David_> Rich: " Philippe... There's no "inform the user of the removal of the region" step, which
15:55:47 <David_> is odd, given the parallel for informing the user when it was added.update less of an issue, cause keep location" I don't think this is a big issue
15:56:46 <David_> We did report defect to google, dominique will get it fixed, which is good. athere is a feature in main html soec that says the content has to reside in fallback area
15:56:52 <David_> I have to look at that
15:58:04 <David_> JS: Philippe is checking this while on vacation can we move forward. Philippe hoping we could do that next week,
15:58:18 <janina> q?
15:58:19 <David_> Rich: I'll go with Ohilippe
15:58:56 <David_> that if Google knows its a bug and acknowledges then we can move forward
15:59:00 <paulc> Plh gave ttps://github.com/cptvitamin/wpt-canvas/pulls but there are no pull requests there.
15:59:14 <paulc> s/ttps/https/
15:59:28 <paulc> https://github.com/cptvitamin/wpt-canvas/pulls
15:59:40 <David_> s/ohilippe/Philippe
16:00:05 <David_> Rich: I'll test them...
16:00:31 <paulc> https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Canvas_Task_Force/CR-Test contains the test results and should be usable to find the "missing" 3 tests
16:00:39 <David_> Paulc: Rich please rely to phillipe online
16:00:54 <David_> s/rely/reply
16:01:55 <David_> Zakim, list attendees
16:01:55 <Zakim> sorry, David_, I don't know what conference this is
16:02:17 <David_> zakim, bye
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16:02:18 <janina> zakim, who's here?
16:03:33 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Katie
16:03:39 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Judy
16:03:44 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Paul
16:03:50 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Janina
16:03:56 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Shane
16:04:10 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present: David_MacDonald
16:04:22 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Leonie
16:04:49 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Joanie
16:05:05 <David_> Present: Liam Quinn, David MacDonald, Paull Cotton, Shane Mc, Judy Brewer, Janina S, Rich S., ManuS,  Ian Pucey Katie HS. , Leonie watson,
16:05:14 <liam> s/Quinn/Quin/
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