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14:56:46 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Accessibility Task Force Teleconference
14:56:46 <trackbot> Date: 23 July 2015
14:56:49 <janina> agenda?
14:56:53 <janina> agenda+ Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List
14:56:56 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Edits & Additions
14:56:59 <janina> agenda+ Bug Triage -- Leonie
14:57:01 <janina> agenda+ Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Mark, Janina, Paul, PLH
14:57:04 <janina> agenda+ Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam
14:57:06 <janina> agenda+ Transcript Support Update -- John, Chaals, Cynthia
14:57:09 <janina> agenda+ Tab Panels Update -- Leonie, Et Al
14:57:11 <janina> agenda+ TF Open Actions  http://w3.org/wai/pf/html/track
14:57:14 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
14:57:16 <janina> agenda+ be done
14:57:53 <janina>  zakim, next item
14:57:53 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Identify Scribe http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/index.php?title=Scribe_List" taken up [from janina]
14:58:17 <janina> chair: Janina
14:58:20 <janina> present+ Janina
14:58:27 <liam> present+ liam
15:00:48 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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15:03:53 <liam> scrine: liam
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15:04:00 <liam> scribenick: liam
15:04:10 <liam> scribe: liam
15:04:11 <plh> Present+ Plh
15:04:20 <liam> s/scrine/scribe/
15:04:45 <Judy> Present+ Judy
15:05:20 <liam> topic: Agenda Edits & Additions
15:05:23 <liam> [none]
15:05:55 <liam> Topic: Bug Triage -- Leonie
15:06:02 <liam> [Leoni not here]
15:06:33 <liam> Topic: Canvas 2D Level 1 Progress -- Rich, Mark, Janina, Paul, PLH
15:06:46 <liam> Rich: down to two particular issues
15:06:55 <liam> plh made a clarification on a test case, resolved
15:07:02 <liam> and he gave me a defect to route to Dominic
15:07:47 <liam> plh: I will make some edits to the spec as a consequence
15:08:00 <liam> should not effect implementations
15:08:36 <liam> JS: still expecting success in going to Rec including hit regions, a big win for accessibility!
15:09:02 <liam> Topic: Alt Doc Update -- Shane, Liam
15:09:17 <janina> scribe: janina
15:09:25 <janina> liam: Updated doc to review
15:09:31 <liam> https://w3c.github.io/alt-techniques/
15:10:38 <janina> Liam: Not yet finished, still some coordination to do
15:10:47 <janina> Liam: Still examples with errors that need cleanup
15:10:59 <janina> Liam: Very much wanting review
15:11:16 <janina> Liam: Please leave comments either on github, bugzilla, or email
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15:12:53 <JF> Present+ JF
15:13:01 <liam> high level review of document would be fabulous, the examples are in flux partly as a result of today's first review
15:13:02 <paulc> Could the document indicate what part of HTML5 the material will be used to update?
15:14:59 <liam> liam: yes, thank you for pointing that out, good suggestion, will do.
15:15:42 <paulc> What is the 2nd document you mentioned?
15:15:58 <JF> agenda?
15:16:05 <liam> alt doc currently links to an external page on WAI
15:16:53 <janina> Liam: We currently have a 30 page doc describing one attribute.
15:17:07 <janina> Liam: I propose to take about 20 of those pages to a "more info" external doc
15:17:40 <janina> liam: Basic need expressed from a cms developer's comment: "Give me the basics"
15:18:22 <liam> JS: get the write up right and then figure out the exact split
15:18:26 <paulc> I just put the HTML of the document into MSFT Word and it finds a lot of obvious spelling errors.  Do you want me to forward those problems?
15:18:46 <liam> paulc, sure, email to liam@w3.orc
15:18:51 <liam> s/orc/org/
15:19:28 <paulc> I will try to find time later today.
15:20:08 <liam> janina: good progress
15:20:44 <liam> Topic: Transcript Support Update -- John, Chaals, Cynthia
15:20:51 <liam> JS: I think a couple of weeks ago Charles cleaned up his draft
15:20:57 <liam> comments are welcome - email, bugzilla
15:21:16 <liam> John: yes. Was not looked at during the F2F
15:21:27 <liam> The problem we have is that we haven't narrowed down the options
15:21:34 <liam> First draft still has the different options
15:21:49 <liam> Intent was to get feedback on what made sense
15:22:01 <liam> JS: We still haven't heard which tech approach the media folks want
15:22:12 <liam> JF: we did get some feedback at F2F at Microsoft in late Spring
15:22:25 <liam> so now choice of element/attribute names, and whether the pattern makes sense
15:22:44 <liam> JS: who is making the decisions?
15:23:03 <liam> JF: we need feedback from browser vendors, from implementors, in yes we can support it or no, notinterested
15:23:10 <liam> s/notin/not in/
15:23:20 <paulc> q+
15:24:06 <liam> JF: when we left Redmond we had one or two things; Charles brought back some things we kinda rejected but didn't want to lose
15:24:15 <liam> Maybe a proof of concept in JS
15:24:40 <liam> JS: I'm trying to find that someone, who will [help us move forward]
15:24:53 <liam> I think our position is we don't care on the mechanism as long as it will get support
15:24:58 <liam> JF: yes
15:25:01 <paulc> Have you considered taking the proposal to the WICG via http://discourse.wicg.io/?
15:26:30 <liam> paulc: Charles did send an email to the media TF; it has zero uptake
15:26:47 <liam> Don't want to take too many conclusions from that.
15:27:06 <liam> Nut I think it's because they are so busy on their current work on EME
15:27:12 <liam> s/Nut/But/
15:27:48 <paulc> Charles email to Media TF: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jul/0003.html
15:28:07 <liam> So when you [TF] stood in front of Redmond you had a captive audience
15:28:28 <liam> but they're so busy on MSE and EME that it's not clear we're going to get a response
15:28:46 <liam> plus not clear whether this should be looked at by MSE or EME or both
15:29:11 <liam> so the reason I suggested you go to the CG is I think it's more likely you may get both developer input and browser input there
15:29:43 <liam> JS: I think that's a very helpful suggestion and explains why we're not getting feedback
15:30:17 <liam> Topic: Tab Panels Update
15:30:23 <liam> [Leoni stilll not here]
15:30:36 <liam> Topic: action items
15:31:39 <liam> JF: [no-one on the call with actions except John's, in progress]
15:32:11 <JF> http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/327
15:32:18 <liam> PLH: http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/track/actions/327 is done
15:32:34 <janina> close action-327
15:32:34 <trackbot> Closed action-327.
15:32:56 <liam> Topic: Other Business
15:33:32 <liam> Judy: As we head into August it can be useful to plan across upcoming weeks and confirm whether we'll have critical mass to keep moving forward
15:33:33 <paulc> I am workiing for ALL of August.
15:34:02 <liam> JS: next week we have Shane to present on Web payments
15:34:12 <liam> very busy activity & important for a11y
15:34:18 <liam> bringing others to the call to help
15:34:37 <liam> I hope for a brief intro in email from ShaneM
15:35:10 <liam> So i'm incluned to believe we have basis to meet the next two weeks
15:35:59 <liam> [adjourned]
15:36:47 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/23-html-a11y-minutes.html liam
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