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13:52:46 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
13:52:48 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:52:50 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
13:52:50 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:52:51 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:52:51 <trackbot> Date: 16 July 2015
13:53:24 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jul/0015.html
13:53:37 <aphillip> Regrets: Leandro, Dennis
13:54:05 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
13:54:16 <aphillip> agenda+ Publication of HTML & CSS Bidi Requirements as WG Note
13:54:26 <aphillip> agenda+ Publication of Chinese Layout Requirements
13:54:35 <aphillip> agenda+ Notifications.lang and Notifications.dir
13:54:45 <aphillip> agenda+ CharMod
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13:57:24 <aphillip> Present+ Addison
13:57:28 <aphillip> Present+ Steve
13:57:37 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:57:43 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
13:57:48 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
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14:03:26 <aphillip> Present+ Richard
14:03:44 <aphillip> Present+ Felix
14:04:47 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:04:49 <aphillip> agenda?
14:05:10 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
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14:05:50 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:07:14 <aphillip> action-444?
14:07:14 <trackbot> action-444 -- Addison Phillips to Write to w3 parties requesting that the publication tool be updated to support note track documents after richard identifiers who to ping -- due 2015-06-04 -- OPEN
14:07:14 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/444
14:07:22 <aphillip> richard: just send to echidna list
14:07:53 <aphillip> action-452?
14:07:53 <trackbot> action-452 -- Addison Phillips to Respond to notifications about .lang and .dir email -- due 2015-07-16 -- OPEN
14:07:53 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/452
14:08:01 <aphillip> close action-452
14:08:01 <trackbot> Closed action-452.
14:08:06 <aphillip> addison: did that, topic later
14:08:16 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:08:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:08:47 <aphillip> richard: if you want to go to TPAC, don't forget to register
14:08:57 <Najib-ma> present+ Najib-ma
14:08:59 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35125/TPAC2015/
14:09:21 <aphillip> richard: anyone planning to go?
14:09:42 <David> About 70% probability Ill come
14:10:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:13:04 <aphillip> richard: combining the chinese and english in clreq
14:13:18 <aphillip> ... was so good I am doing it for korean too
14:13:28 <aphillip> ... will contact the contributors
14:13:38 <aphillip> agenda?
14:13:55 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:13:55 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
14:14:07 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:16:12 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
14:17:17 <aphillip> richard: new version of initial letter section for indic layout requirements
14:17:26 <aphillip> .. will publish to TR on tuesday
14:17:41 <aphillip> ... doing under new policy where I don't need permission
14:17:45 <aphillip> ... cleaned up markup
14:17:59 <aphillip> ... put in new template stuff related to process changes
14:18:05 <aphillip> ... comment on dated version
14:18:09 <aphillip> ... use github comments
14:18:11 <aphillip> ... etc
14:18:30 <aphillip> richard: need more participate in indic layout task force!!
14:19:19 <aphillip> ... make a central section pointing to layout task forces
14:19:29 <aphillip> richard: info share
14:19:37 <aphillip> ... moving ahead with arabic layout requirements
14:19:41 <aphillip> ... charter nearly done
14:20:47 <aphillip> richard: detailed discussion of mongolian
14:21:28 <aphillip> richard: dpub surfaced recently
14:21:38 <aphillip> ... have a list of things that need working on at CSS
14:22:16 <aphillip> richard: ethiopic still likely to proceed soon too
14:22:39 <aphillip> richard: vertical text
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14:22:55 <aphillip> ... FF41 aims to make vertical text
14:23:22 <aphillip> ... accessible to the general public
14:23:33 <aphillip> ... was just in nightly currently
14:23:46 <aphillip> ... continusing dicussion on css list about text-orientation
14:24:06 <aphillip> ... one motivation is that people want latin text on side of table or such
14:24:09 <aphillip> ... and run up the page
14:24:13 <aphillip> ... clarify how that works
14:24:29 <aphillip> ... as opposed to/in addition to chinese or mongolian or japanese
14:24:40 <aphillip> ... have two new writing mode values
14:24:53 <aphillip> ... sideways-right-left and sideways-left-right
14:25:04 <aphillip> ... and text-orientation have "sideways" value
14:25:11 <aphillip> .. but not the directions right or left
14:25:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:25:37 <aphillip> ... sideways-rl / sideways-lr would rotate text line by 270 or 90 degres
14:26:08 <aphillip> ... vertical-lr /vertical-rl would roate baseline *and* rotate (some) characters to upright
14:27:48 <aphillip> agenda?
14:28:05 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:28:05 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Publication of HTML & CSS Bidi Requirements as WG Note" taken up [from aphillip]
14:28:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:28:41 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/NOTE-html-bidi-20150721/
14:28:51 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jul/0013.html
14:29:08 <aphillip> richard: whew! took a lot of effort
14:29:16 <aphillip> ... visited all the links to check them
14:29:22 <aphillip> ... pretty much ready
14:29:27 <aphillip> ... mati sent some comments
14:29:31 <aphillip> ... and implemented some
14:29:37 <aphillip> ... and sent him a response
14:29:50 <aphillip> ... intent here is to archive as historical
14:32:21 <aphillip> addison:  not intended as a living document
14:32:49 <aphillip> richard:  just double-checking... no objection to publish?
14:33:27 <fsasaki> no objections
14:33:29 <aphillip> addison: any objections to publishing?
14:33:40 <aphillip> ... I don't have any
14:33:53 <aphillip> najib: started to read again
14:34:08 <aphillip> ... want to send some comments
14:34:13 <aphillip> ... some typos
14:34:28 <Najib-ma> recurrent typo, §1.3,  LRO is 202D not 202E (RLO)
14:34:40 <aphillip> richard: was corrected
14:34:50 <aphillip> najib: comments by monday or tuesday?
14:34:56 <aphillip> richard: want publish on tuesday
14:35:07 <aphillip> ... monday is the lastest
14:35:24 <Najib-ma> Ok
14:35:26 <aphillip> ... and sooner is better :-)
14:35:32 <Najib-ma> Yep :-)
14:35:54 <aphillip> richard: section 4: don't want to change anything in it
14:36:01 <aphillip> ... snapshot as of july of 2014
14:36:22 <aphillip> ... so that section very very difficult to fix
14:36:26 <aphillip> ... so stop there
14:36:53 <r12a> that section is a snapshot as of July 2014 of a separate document, and should therefore not be changed
14:37:07 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minutets', aphillip.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:37:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:37:15 <r12a> s/that section/section 4/
14:37:19 <aphillip> agenda?
14:37:31 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:37:31 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Publication of Chinese Layout Requirements" taken up [from aphillip]
14:37:39 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/clreq/
14:37:51 <aphillip> richard: above link to clreq
14:37:59 <aphillip> ... link now contains both chinese and english text
14:38:07 <aphillip> ... *so* much easier to maintain
14:38:11 <aphillip> ... and translate
14:38:18 <aphillip> ... remarkably worth the effort
14:38:38 <aphillip> ... notice the buttons in upper right for zh and en
14:38:46 <aphillip> ... filters out the other language
14:38:56 <aphillip> ... text is in a mix of simplified and traditional
14:39:21 <aphillip> ... contributors contribute in their preferred form
14:39:28 <aphillip> ... added some text explaining
14:39:42 <aphillip> ... appreciate contributions from all
14:40:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:40:34 <aphillip> richard: at some point we may see some additional translation to simplified with button for zh-Hans
14:41:28 <aphillip> richard: question about how this would "finally" be published
14:42:22 <aphillip> addison: leave it like this, even have buttons
14:42:30 <aphillip> richard: yes, and useful to people too
14:42:41 <aphillip> richard: ready for publication as FPWD
14:42:50 <aphillip> ... group would like to go ahead
14:43:30 <aphillip> addison: (as chair) please indicate your support (+1) or opposition (-1) to publishing a first public working draft of requirements for layout of chinese
14:43:36 <r12a> +1
14:43:36 <aphillip> +1
14:43:38 <fsasaki> +1
14:43:40 <David> +1
14:43:45 <Steve_Atkin> +1
14:43:59 <Najib-ma> +1
14:44:06 <aphillip> addison: so resolved
14:44:29 <aphillip> richard: plan is to publish next week (thursday?)
14:44:35 <aphillip> ... will put into typograpy index
14:44:58 <aphillip> agenda?
14:45:09 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:45:09 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Notifications.lang and Notifications.dir" taken up [from aphillip]
14:45:42 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015JulSep/0004.html
14:46:03 <r12a> https://github.com/whatwg/notifications/issues/46
14:46:07 <aphillip> https://github.com/whatwg/notifications/issues/46
14:46:10 <aphillip> https://github.com/whatwg/notifications/issues/47
14:48:48 <aphillip> addison: any comments on thread?
14:48:52 <aphillip> agenda?
14:49:21 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 5
14:49:22 <Zakim> agendum 5. "CharMod" taken up [from aphillip]
14:52:18 <aphillip> action: richard: publish current version of charmod so the github bits and status bits show
14:52:18 <trackbot> Created ACTION-453 - Publish current version of charmod so the github bits and status bits show [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-07-23].
14:53:27 <aphillip> addison: others can contribute text (I won't stop you)
14:53:36 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
14:54:21 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
14:54:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:55:03 <aphillip> Regrets+ JcK
14:55:12 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
14:55:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/16-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
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