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13:38:37 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
13:38:37 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:38:38 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
13:38:38 <trackbot> Date: 16 July 2015
13:38:42 <mgylling> scribe mgylling
13:38:49 <mgylling> scribe: mgylling
13:39:29 <mgylling> topic: getting started on AAM
13:39:48 <mgylling> tzviya: joseph, roadmap?
13:40:11 <clown> rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html
13:40:45 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/svg-aam/svg-aam.html#mapping_role_table
13:40:49 <mgylling> clown: there is the core AAM, idea was that it would contain the bulk of the mappings and basis for all other AAMs. SVG AAM does this, constantly has links back to the core
13:41:56 <mgylling> … so since DPUB only has roles, you are going to be following the SVG role mapping table
13:42:00 <clown> rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#mapping_role_table
13:42:50 <mgylling> … click view as single table, roughly the table you’re gonna create
13:45:14 <MichaelC> ¨old fashioned MSAA¨ i.e., what was brand spanking new when I was starting in this career
13:45:41 <mgylling> … leftmost col is dpub role, then MSAA+UIA Express, then MSAA+IAccessible2, then UIA Control, ATK/AT, AXAPI
13:45:49 <MichaelC> s/¨old fashioned MSAA¨ i.e., what was brand spanking new when I was starting in this career//
13:47:15 <mgylling> mgylling: what if we want to inherit all behaviors from super role?
13:47:38 <mgylling> clown: add a URL back to core
13:48:26 <mgylling> … but more convenient for readers to put the stuff in literally
13:48:42 <mgylling> janina: if there are enough of the inherited ones, maybe a dedicated column
13:50:23 <tzviya> I would love to see the "inherited" properties literally pull content from the core spec
13:51:36 <mgylling> tzviya: filling in the information, are you working with the different accessibility platform people to do this?
13:52:11 <mgylling> clown: for UIA talk to cyns, IA2, alwx surkoff [???], ATK/AT is Joanie, AXAPI is jcraig
13:52:34 <mgylling> … alternatively go to source documentation
13:53:00 <clown> https://developer.gnome.org/atk/unstable/AtkObject.html#AtkRole
13:53:38 <mgylling> s/alwx surkoff/Alex Surkov
13:54:01 <clown> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/Accessibility/AT-APIs/MSAA/Roles
13:55:53 <clown> https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee684009%28v=vs.85%29.aspx
13:56:50 <MichaelC> present+ Matt
13:57:28 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/aria/blob/master/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html
13:57:52 <mgylling> tzviya: we have a shell document in github to get us started, rich filled out a sample for us
13:58:12 <mgylling> … do you recommend we use that?
13:58:29 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/dpub-aam/dpub-aam.html#mapping_role_table
14:00:13 <clown> http://rawgit.com/w3c/aria/master/core-aam/core-aam.html#role-map-directory
14:04:23 <mgylling> … if we could have a sample in github for chapter and toc, would be great
14:06:52 <mgylling> clown: you should send someone tothe  AAPI meetings, Tuesdays 3PM EDT
14:07:00 <mgylling> s/tothe/to the/
14:07:34 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3Adpub
14:07:44 <mgylling> topic: outstanding issues on dpub-aria draft
14:08:26 <mgylling> tzviya: nr 43, clarifying context, a recommendation to make some changes that Mat thtought that he had made
14:08:33 <mgylling> … superclass defs had changed
14:08:45 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/43
14:08:59 <mgylling> … on April 24, Matt pushed an update.
14:09:29 <mgylling> matt: suggestion was to use note as superclass of notice, the change is now gone
14:09:45 <mgylling> matt: we push again to master branch
14:10:25 <mgylling> tzviya: footnotes and endnotes
14:11:03 <clown> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/46
14:11:17 <mgylling> … is an issue on who controls the vocabulary… we have discussed this endlessly [in DAISY and IDPF]
14:11:34 <mgylling> …semantically they are the same thing, it comes down to a display issue
14:11:47 <mgylling> matt: suggest leave it open as it may pop up again
14:11:59 <tzviya> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/47
14:12:13 <mgylling> tzviya: about required context, we need to add examples
14:12:29 <mgylling> … and whether some of these roles would be brought into core
14:13:33 <mgylling> clown: 1.1 is freezing in August so we can publish by spring
14:13:53 <mgylling> … if you want to put chapter in you will have to be certain it passes the tests
14:14:45 <mgylling> tzviya: we need to avoid terms ending up in limbo, features at risk with no home, would rather keep them in the dpub vocab
14:15:00 <mgylling> janina: all you need to pass is two independent implementations
14:16:47 <mgylling> … it doesnt need to be a browser, could be an ebook reader
14:19:26 <mgylling> tzviya: markus do you agree we should keep the vocab together?
14:19:31 <mgylling> markus: yep
14:20:16 <mgylling> … by 2018 our hopes are that all publishing terms will be in the core
14:20:53 <mgylling> tzviya: we are open to discussion, but will not push this ourselves
14:22:06 <mgylling> topic: additional terms to draft
14:22:17 <mgylling> janina: this was expected, we know the FPWD was not complete
14:25:59 <mgylling> markus: one major question for link types, should the rel attribute be used, or should ARIA start including link substypes again?
14:26:19 <mgylling> tzviya: we need to talk about timing, coordinate with EPUB 3.1
14:26:27 <mgylling> janina: yes lets talk to Rich
14:27:19 <mgylling> markus: EPUB 3.1 is not yet comitted to makeing the transition from epub:type, its going to be discussed
14:27:33 <mgylling> topic: joint meeting re describeAt with publishers
14:27:48 <mgylling> tzviya: have a few publishers who are comitted to come to such a call
14:28:00 <mgylling> … tentatively set for August 6
14:28:19 <mgylling> s/comitted/committed/
14:28:25 <mgylling> s/makeing/making
14:28:48 <mgylling> [ … chatter about baby pictures…]
14:30:25 <clown> finally found the IA2 roles documentation:  http://accessibility.linuxfoundation.org/a11yspecs/ia2/docs/html/_accessible_role_8idl.html#ae37ff81431ee3762a5d41a2cb909108d
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