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13:56:51 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
13:56:51 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:56:52 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:56:52 <trackbot> Date: 13 July 2015
13:59:21 <Arnaud> present+ Arnaud
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14:02:24 <TallTed> present+ TallTed
14:03:01 <davidwood> davidwood has joined #ldp
14:03:01 <Arnaud> present+ ashok
14:03:21 <davidwood> Zakim, why won't you let me in?
14:03:21 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, davidwood.
14:03:34 <davidwood> Zakim, I know.
14:03:34 <Zakim> I don't understand 'I know', davidwood
14:03:46 <Arnaud> we're on webex david
14:03:47 <Ashok> Ashok has joined #ldp
14:03:53 <davidwood> Ah. Thanks.
14:04:08 <Arnaud> link on the agenda
14:04:20 <Arnaud> or number
14:05:29 <Arnaud> Pchampin, are you going to join the call?
14:08:20 <Arnaud> but joining?
14:08:24 <deiu> Yes
14:08:28 <Arnaud> good
14:09:19 <Pchampin> Trying to
14:09:36 <Arnaud> webex not working?
14:09:45 <Arnaud> you can dial in directly
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14:10:36 <sandro> present+ Sandro
14:10:44 <deiu> Do we have the webex details somewhere?
14:10:44 <MiguelAraCo> present+ MiguelAraCo
14:10:53 <Ashok> present+ Ashok Malhotra
14:11:14 <Arnaud> ** WebEx ** (for audio): https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf910ecb91d680560d2556f538c5adb53   To join by phone: +1-617-324-0000 US Toll Number   Access code/Meeting number: 649 866 245
14:11:53 <deiu> present+ deiu
14:12:24 <Ashok> scribenick:  Ashok
14:13:09 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 29 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-29
14:13:11 <Ashok> Arnaud:  This may be tha last call for LDP WG
14:13:16 <TallTed> Zakim, who's here?
14:13:16 <Zakim> sorry, TallTed, I don't know what conference this is
14:13:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see bblfish, Ashok, davidwood, Pchampin, Zakim, RRSAgent, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu, TallTed, Arnaud, deiu, sandro, trackbot, tommorris_, rhiaro, ericP, Yves
14:13:24 <Ashok> Topic:  Minutes from last call
14:13:58 <Ashok> roposal: Approve the minutes of the 29 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-29
14:14:01 <Arnaud> resolved: Approve the minutes of the 29 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-29
14:14:12 <Ashok> Minute approved without objection
14:14:32 <Arnaud> action-162?
14:14:32 <trackbot> action-162 -- Robert Sanderson to Send implementation comparison to public list -- due 2015-04-28 -- OPEN
14:14:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/162
14:14:37 <Ashok> Topic:  Action Items:
14:14:56 <Ashok> action-162 -- Robert Sanderson to Send implementation comparison to public list -- due 2015-04-28 -- OPEN [10:14] <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/track/actions/162
14:15:08 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Let's close this
14:15:57 <Ashok> Topic:  LD Patch
14:16:23 <Ashok> We decided on last call to publish LDP Patch as a WG Note
14:16:49 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Can be picked up and turned into a rec track doc in the future
14:18:53 <Ashok> ... We don't have an implementation report from Alexandre.  Even if we get this we will have 2 implementtaion without any prospect of more implementations.
14:19:13 <nmihindu> present+ nmihindu
14:19:24 <Ashok> ... So, it seemed best to publish as a WG Note.  Not published yet.
14:20:54 <Ashok> ... We need to prepare the siurce for the Note.  Need to change the status section.
14:21:05 <deiu> q+
14:21:18 <Arnaud> ack deiu
14:22:07 <Ashok> Andrie:  I will take an action to change the document to a WG Note
14:24:22 <Ashok> PChampin:  I hope we can pick up the work and take it further later
14:24:54 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Yes, that is possible.  Some folks at IBM are interested.
14:25:22 <Ashok> Topic:  LDP Next CG
14:26:16 <Ashok> Arnaud:  There is not enough interest to recharter the WG ... so we should go with the CG
14:27:51 <Ashok> Ashok:  About 8 people responded to my note re. rechartering the WG
14:28:14 <bblfish> q+
14:28:26 <Ashok> Arnaud:  It has been an uphill battle
14:29:04 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
14:29:36 <Arnaud> present+ bblfish
14:31:43 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Does not seem to be enough support.
14:32:16 <Ashok> ... so we should create a CG and continue the work
14:32:59 <Ashok> ... and if we make some progress we could go back to to W3M and request that a WG be started
14:33:16 <deiu> +0 (we could wait a bit to see if LDP gets traction)
14:34:00 <sandro> such as?
14:34:05 <sandro> (competative approaches?)
14:34:18 <Ashok> DavidWood:  We need to demonstarte compelling usecases ... there are also some competitive approaches
14:34:21 <sandro> q?
14:35:07 <Ashok> Sandro:  I think we need to appeal to a broader audience
14:35:15 <bblfish> q+
14:35:59 <Ashok> Sandro:  I am disappointed with the uptake
14:36:18 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
14:36:27 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Do you know why the uptake has been limited.
14:36:35 <Ashok> Sandro:  Not really
14:37:35 <davidwood> This blog post gives a thoughtful, and useful, perspective on RDF, JSON-LD and Linked Data in general. It discusses experiences with Google’s JSON API description language. http://www.infoq.com/articles/programming-semantic-profiles
14:37:36 <Ashok> Henry:  We need Access Control and some other items ... people are working in silos
14:39:10 <davidwood> +1 to Henry: Don't try to teach logic to "HTML developers". The industry has voted for years to push that to JS.
14:39:29 <davidwood> q+
14:39:35 <bblfish> oops
14:39:45 <bblfish> bad connection here in London :-)
14:39:58 <Arnaud> ack davidwood
14:43:28 <bblfish> q+
14:43:49 <Ashok> Arnaud:  What should the name of the CG be?  LDP Next?  LDP Next Generation?
14:43:57 <bblfish> SoLiD
14:44:06 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
14:44:11 <Ashok> ... may be change course a bit
14:44:48 <deiu> -1 to calling it "solid"
14:45:08 <sandro> q+
14:45:41 <Arnaud> ack sandro
14:47:17 <Ashok> DavidWood:  People are adding new capabilities to REST
14:47:56 <deiu> Yes
14:48:08 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Andrie can you create a CG for us?
14:48:33 <deiu> s/Andrie/Andrei/g
14:50:01 <sandro> It's a platform in the sense the Open Web Platform is a platform
14:50:33 <sandro> or close to it.
14:52:17 <bblfish> q+
14:52:27 <davidwood> q+ to respond to Ashok
14:52:46 <Ashok> Ashok:  Perhaps loosen the link between RDF and LDP?
14:52:53 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
14:52:55 <sandro> -1 to making the CG open.   Better to keep it focused and let it die on that mission.
14:53:17 <Ashok> Arnaud: Yes, perhaps a fresh approach would help
14:53:27 <Ashok> Henry:  Name for CG?
14:53:36 <sandro> +1 "LDP Next"
14:53:50 <Ashok> Arnaud:  LDP Next or LDP Next Gen
14:53:51 <bblfish> +1 ldp-next-gen
14:54:52 <Arnaud> ack davidwood
14:54:52 <Zakim> davidwood, you wanted to respond to Ashok
14:54:52 <deiu> q+
14:54:54 <sandro> TallTed, IMHO LDP *is* a whole set of protocols, not just one.
14:55:16 <Ashok> Sandro:  We should have a focussed mission for the CG ... otherwise it will thrash
14:56:33 <Arnaud> ack deiu
14:56:54 <TallTed> sandro - yes, exactly.  LDP is not Linked Data Protocol, it is Linked Data Platform.  http://www.w3.org/2012/ldp/wiki/Main_Page , http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/REC-ldp-20150226/
14:57:40 <Ashok> Andrei:  Not sure we have a focussed direction for CG yet ... perhaps wait a bit and discuss on the mailing list
14:58:08 <Ashok> Arnaud:  If we wait to long, nothing will happen.  The charter can be flexible.
14:58:19 <Ashok> s/to/too/
14:58:58 <sandro> CG charter == "Explore what to do following on from LDP."   Period.
14:58:58 <Ashok> Arnaud:  Once CG is started, the mission can be changed ... better not to wait too long
14:59:30 <Ashok> ... danger of losing those who a currently interested.
15:00:35 <deiu> Big thanks to Arnaud for doing a great job of chairing LDP!
15:00:37 <Ashok> Arnaud:  It has been 3 years ... I think we did a good job of taking people's needs into account
15:00:59 <davidwood> Sincere thanks to Arnaud
15:01:01 <Ashok> Arnaud:  This is the last call.
15:01:19 <Ashok> ... we will still have a mailing list
15:01:48 <Ashok> Sandro:  Wiki will get frozen after a while but we can hold off for a while.
15:02:10 <Ashok> MEETING ADJOURNED
15:02:30 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
15:02:30 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:02:30 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:02:38 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:02:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/13-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
15:02:39 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:02:39 <RRSAgent> I see no action items