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Please refer to for help. 13:47:01 trackbot, prepare teleconference 13:47:03 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:47:05 Zakim, this will be 4186 13:47:05 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 13:47:06 Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference 13:47:06 Date: 09 July 2015 13:47:12 Regrets: Felix, Dennis 13:47:20 Chair: Addison Phillips 13:47:24 Scribe: Addison Phillips 13:47:28 ScribeNick: aphillip 13:47:39 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jul/0009.html 13:47:56 agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review 13:48:09 agenda+ Bidi Plain Text 13:48:20 agenda+ Handling Language and Direction Metadata (was Mediastream Track Label) 13:48:34 agenda+ Notifications.lang and Notifications.dir 13:48:46 agenda+ Mediacapture item resolution 13:48:55 agenda+ CharMod 13:49:31 Present+ Addison 13:49:38 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 13:50:54 Najib-ma has joined #i18n 13:59:06 David has joined #i18n 13:59:22 Steve_Atkin has joined #i18n 13:59:36 Present+ Steve 14:02:11 JcK has joined #i18n 14:02:50 Present+ Richard 14:03:01 Present+ JcK 14:03:34 Present+ David 14:04:01 present+ Najib-ma 14:05:11 ok 14:05:19 Topic: Agenda 14:05:31 agenda? 14:05:35 I'm dialed in :-) 14:05:42 present+ r21a 14:05:49 Topic: Action Items 14:06:22 action-113? 14:06:22 action-113 -- Richard Ishida to Work on tidying up Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming couple of months -- due 2015-02-05 -- OPEN 14:06:22 http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/113 14:06:31 richard: just pubish it, after removing stubs? 14:07:00 close action-113 14:07:00 Closed action-113. 14:07:18 action:richard: publish updated version of Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML and CSS 14:09:15 action-451? 14:09:15 action-451 -- Addison Phillips to Respond on csvw issue 617 officially explaining that the wg believes that cldr's values and data structures are needed -- due 2015-07-09 -- OPEN 14:09:15 http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/451 14:09:20 close action-451 14:09:20 Closed action-451. 14:09:26 Topic: Info Share 14:09:34 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 14:09:58 richard: TPAC registration open 14:10:04 ... if going, please register 14:11:10 richard: please add host key to agenda 14:11:19 addison: will do 14:11:38 agenda? 14:11:43 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0024.html 14:12:01 zakim, take up agendum 1 14:12:01 agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip] 14:13:19 steve: create me a tracker for vehicle information? 14:13:22 addison: will do 14:14:11 richard: csv now passed 14:14:23 ... have their CR call 14:14:36 addison: we got consensus on their issues, though, right? 14:14:40 richard: think so 14:14:45 https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar 14:16:39 richard: mongolian discussion taking place 14:16:54 ... in depth talk about NNBSP and MVS 14:17:01 ... spoke to PLH last week 14:17:20 ... okay to go ahead with Arabic Layout Requirements and Ethiopic Layout Requirements chartering 14:17:32 richard: spent time merging chinese and english versions of clreq 14:17:41 ... much easier to manage them as a single document 14:17:53 ... just a few more additional translation 14:17:59 ... and a couple of text issues 14:18:02 ... then FPWD 14:18:15 addison: next week-ish? 14:18:28 richard: hope so, but depends on translators 14:19:02 richard: PLH recommends doing more publicity around layout requirements 14:19:07 ... such as making a page about it 14:19:36 richard: published update to klreq (last week) 14:20:25 addison: hoping for additional script information for indic soon? 14:20:46 richard: hope to see 4 more scripts, next week-ish? 14:21:21 richard: firefox releasing vertical into mainstream? 14:21:36 ... but koji and fantasai discussing different way of handling things 14:22:08 ... to cater to latin languages 14:22:28 addison: like german titles on book spine? 14:22:34 richard: yes, or in a table, that sort of thing 14:23:00 addison: hope they don't change the current model much/incompatibly 14:23:05 http://www.w3.org/International/articles/vertical-text/ 14:23:14 richard: also updated the article (link above) 14:23:21 ... separated proprietary stuff 14:23:32 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 14:23:50 richard: "this is how you're supposed to achieve it" 14:24:01 ... with a "this is how to actually achieve in different browsers" 14:24:05 ... subtle difference 14:24:08 ... but worthwhile 14:24:27 richard: bidi: no implementations so far on @dir 14:24:38 ... worth chasing implementers? 14:27:45 Thanks for adding docs to tracker -- I'm unlikely to have time to track that WG closely. 14:28:03 And I have no idea what is going on with Webex, much less why it is a good idea. 14:28:32 agenda? 14:29:19 zakim, take up agendum 4 14:29:19 agendum 4. "Notifications.lang and Notifications.dir" taken up [from aphillip] 14:29:28 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015JulSep/0001.html 14:31:16 agenda? 14:31:55 richard: argued that it should be in spec so that it might work; can't work if not present 14:32:39 action: addison: respond to Notifications about .lang and .dir email 14:32:40 Created ACTION-452 - Respond to notifications about .lang and .dir email [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-07-16]. 14:33:10 zakim, take up agendum 5 14:33:10 agendum 5. "Mediacapture item resolution" taken up [from aphillip] 14:33:20 https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-i18n-core/2015JulSep/0002.html 14:34:09 issue-465? 14:34:09 issue-465 -- Human readable message not localizable? -- open 14:34:09 http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/465 14:34:50 addison: will send any comments to the list, if you see something, do the same 14:35:27 zakim, take up agendum 2 14:35:27 agendum 2. "Bidi Plain Text" taken up [from aphillip] 14:35:37 http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html 14:35:57 richard: this is an attempt to step back 14:36:07 ... when we reviewed CSV 14:36:17 ... inquiries about json, webvtt 14:36:22 ... maybe notifications 14:36:36 ... lots of plain text format not containing html/xml markup 14:36:45 ... need guidelines for how to represent direction 14:37:03 ... article is not in w3c site because personal thoughts so far 14:37:12 ... make a kind of "tutorial" for what's needed 14:37:15 ... and why 14:37:22 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 14:37:32 richard: sections at end about webvtt and csv 14:37:38 ... would quite like feedback 14:37:44 ... some from mati and najib 14:38:31 richard: looking for comments, on right track, things missing, etc 14:39:34 najib: sent email about plain text 14:39:47 ... json or csv are not like normal text 14:39:57 ... could be considered different 14:40:04 ... could be read or edited 14:40:11 ... in logical order rather than visual order 14:40:42 ... make bidi disabled you can edit easily 14:41:03 richard: how often do you find editors that can disable bidi? 14:41:20 ... you're able to disable bidi. is that something people do commonly? 14:42:04 najib: specific editors don't have bidi 14:42:14 richard: do many people use editors without bidi support? 14:42:39 najib: most don't use source file editors, use visual order 14:42:58 ... not many edit source text 14:43:04 @Richard: slightly different answer: there are a lot of editors out there that do have bibi support but whose support falls far short of our or UTC's standards 14:43:26 ... most in my region who produce bidi text choose like wordpress to produce content 14:44:01 Present+ koji 14:45:23 Steve_Atkin has joined #i18n 14:45:38 https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/ContentMetadataJavaScriptDiscussion 14:46:31 richard: what about the json problem? 14:46:44 addison: see above link: started this in tandem with yours, much rougher 14:46:51 richard: include in my article? 14:46:54 addison: welcome to 14:54:42 agenda? 14:55:25 Topic: vertical text 14:55:46 koji: so proposal from self and fantasai 14:55:53 ... basic problemm is sideways-left 14:56:03 ... author and technical problems 14:56:28 ... detail in fantasai's email 14:56:36 ... haven't talked about this week 14:56:47 ... adding values to simplify latin usage 14:57:05 ... removing text-orientation: sideways-left 14:57:11 ... and addingt two value s to writing-mode 14:57:26 ... just need to change writing mode 14:57:37 ... only some cjk users need text-orentation 14:57:48 ... hope it simplifies authoring 14:57:53 ... hope ff can pick it up 14:58:30 richard: do you know if vertical text will support horizontal text in vertical (tate-chu-yoko) in FF? 14:58:37 koji: good question 14:58:42 ... don't know if still trying to 14:58:47 ... or if going to next milestone 14:58:51 ... likely to be minimal 14:58:57 ... still improving it 14:59:10 richard: what currently works will still work? 14:59:22 ... in production version? 14:59:41 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1138384 14:59:50 koji: not in nightly yet, want to be in stable 14:59:55 ... maybe not 15:00:02 ... some things don't work (like tables) 15:00:07 ... make basic tables work 15:00:16 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 15:00:23 koji: not sure if in release or not 15:00:58 Topic: AOB? 15:01:18 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Firefox/Releases/41#CSS 15:01:49 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 15:02:23 zakim, bye 15:02:23 Zakim has left #i18n 15:02:28 rrsagent, make minutes 15:02:28 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-minutes.html aphillip 15:02:32 rrsagent, bye 15:02:32 I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-actions.rdf : 15:02:32 ACTION: richard: publish updated version of Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML and CSS [1] 15:02:32 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-irc#T14-07-18 15:02:32 ACTION: addison: respond to Notifications about .lang and .dir email [2] 15:02:32 recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-i18n-irc#T14-32-39