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15:49:42 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 28346
15:49:42 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:49:43 <trackbot> Meeting: Audio Working Group Teleconference
15:49:43 <trackbot> Date: 09 July 2015
15:50:01 <mdjp> rrsagent, pointer?
15:50:01 <RRSAgent> See http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-audio-irc#T15-50-01
15:50:13 <mdjp> Agenda+ uncommitted issue review
15:50:21 <mdjp> Agenda+ test suite update and discussion (Noteflight intern Daniel Shaar will join)
15:50:29 <mdjp> Agenda+ media capture API progress update
15:50:38 <mdjp> Agenda+ review of issues marked as "Needing Review" that require attention to progress
15:50:45 <mdjp> Agenda+ any other business
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15:55:51 <mdjp> present+ mdjp
15:56:07 <hongchan> present+ hongchan
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16:00:54 <joe> present+ joe
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16:02:26 <ChrisL> Present+: ChrisL
16:03:43 <cwilso> present+ cwilso
16:04:14 <SteveBeckerMSFT> present+ SteveBeckerMSFT
16:04:46 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 1
16:04:46 <Zakim> agendum 1. "uncommitted issue review" taken up [from mdjp]
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16:05:04 <mdjp> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues/560
16:05:16 <mdjp> zakim, pick a victim
16:05:16 <Zakim> sorry, mdjp, I don't know what conference this is
16:05:29 <ChrisL> scribenick: chrisl
16:05:43 <ChrisL> Chair: Matt
16:05:54 <ChrisL> Meeting: WebAudio call
16:06:14 <ChrisL> Topic: issue 560
16:06:16 <padenot> java !?
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16:06:29 <ChrisL> joe: why does this interact with any of those attributes?
16:07:03 <ChrisL> matt: You are quite right
16:07:26 <ChrisL> joe: we can close this
16:07:41 <BillHofmann> present+ BillHofmann
16:07:46 <BillHofmann> (Sorry guys, BART delays)
16:07:51 <ChrisL> matt: so its the playbak duration as it changes when you change playback rate?
16:08:09 <ChrisL> joe: think commentor is confused on playback rate. happy to explain it to them
16:08:20 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 2
16:08:20 <Zakim> agendum 2. "test suite update and discussion (Noteflight intern Daniel Shaar will join)" taken up [from mdjp]
16:08:26 <ChrisL> matt: ok, you do that. leave uncommitted for now
16:08:44 <ChrisL> topic: spreadsheet on test suite
16:09:03 <ChrisL> joe: I emailed the speadsheet tha  daniel compiled. it tells a good story
16:09:44 <ChrisL> daniel: cmpilation of each attr and method, and says what is being used in the tests. also all the enums and additional informative sections on computation
16:09:54 <ChrisL> ... does not include interactions between parts
16:10:32 <ChrisL> joe: we decided not to take a fine garined, testable assertion approach. just looking over the obvious broadly categories of attrs, methods and events
16:10:46 <ChrisL> ...not a guarantee of complete assertion coverage
16:10:51 <shepazu> q+
16:11:17 <ChrisL> daniel: also noticed tha among the tests, audio worker has zero test coverage. its completely empty
16:11:49 <ChrisL> ChrisL: (audio worker was a later addition, hence no tests and ppoor implementation)
16:12:01 <ChrisL> matt: and the spec needs tightened up somewhat, too.
16:12:18 <ChrisL> cwilso: yes, that is waiting for me
16:12:52 <ChrisL> padenot: talked at Moz summit, and have some time to work on it now. lots of getting rid of worker and building a lighrter thing
16:13:00 <ChrisL> ... could work on this soon
16:13:22 <ChrisL> cwilso: great, pressed for time with new quarter. please go ahead and then ping me
16:13:40 <ChrisL> padenot: was going to ask if it was ok to put a draft up and get feedback
16:14:30 <ChrisL> cwilso: sat with alex russel and andrez(?) about how to better implement. had some ideas. no way to load/parse/compile js out of thread, in our engine or across engines
16:14:44 <ChrisL> padenot: that should be ok. gecko does it already though :)
16:15:02 <ChrisL> cwilso: happy for you to take a stab at it
16:15:19 <ChrisL> joe: ok lets assign paul to that issue
16:15:23 <ChrisL> padenot: great
16:15:26 <ChrisL> ack shepazu
16:15:55 <ChrisL> shepazu: note that excel spreadsheets are poor to exchange info. maybe a google doc or wiki page
16:16:11 <ChrisL> joe: it was exported from a google doc actually
16:16:21 <ChrisL> matt: happy with either
16:16:41 <ChrisL> shepazu: better to have a persisting link to a live doc
16:17:08 <ChrisL> matt: where do we need to be, to estimate how much work remains?
16:17:35 <ChrisL> joe: need process for adding additional test. and don't know how implementors will use it, w3c does not have a driver
16:17:58 <ChrisL> daniel; we have a driver but it does not worjk for the chrome and mox tests
16:18:17 <ChrisL> joe: at least everything is in one place
16:18:41 <ChrisL> matt: how would you usethis for testing, paul and hongchan?
16:18:50 <ChrisL> hongchan: you mean using the w3c driver?
16:19:25 <shepazu> q+
16:19:25 <ChrisL> hongchan: generally good idea to have a unifying framework, not sure how to integrate that into our chromium test framework though
16:19:56 <ChrisL> matt: need to coordinate new test discovery
16:20:15 <ChrisL> joe: need to hand it off, daniel is not working on this indefinitely
16:20:37 <ChrisL> ... for rec track process it demonstrates the spec is tested and testable, and others can run the tests
16:20:48 <ChrisL> ... also wquestions of how to discover the tests
16:20:50 <ChrisL> ack shepazu
16:20:50 <joe> ack shepazu
16:21:32 <ChrisL> shepazu: discussion on pointer events wg, about the same thing. ensuring that there is a usable ... so put in touch with those folks
16:22:12 <ChrisL> daniel: they used intem (? sp ?) which runs all tests on all browsers. one issue is that to re-adapt tests to that format they need a flat out rewrite using node
16:22:34 <ChrisL> matt; sounds like a good next step
16:22:45 <ChrisL> ... any actions around this?
16:23:36 <ChrisL> joe: fornow, not planning for daniel to do more until we have a settled direction. higher priority things right now. testing in better shape that I thought
16:23:45 <ChrisL> matt: thanks daniel for this, goof to see
16:24:19 <ChrisL> daniel: the pointer events guys used that. w3c uses test runner, and will try to see if i can get some chromium and moz tests to run in w3c test runner
16:24:27 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 3
16:24:27 <Zakim> agendum 3. "media capture API progress update" taken up [from mdjp]
16:24:28 <ChrisL> matt: great, please let us know
16:24:43 <ChrisL> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:24:43 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-audio-minutes.html ChrisL
16:25:06 <ChrisL> joe; we have a coule of OPR on media capture spec, seem to be going ok
16:25:32 <ChrisL> ... audio output api dangling as the chairs don't really want to do more on audio,m trying to get to last call
16:26:09 <ChrisL> ChrisL: waiting to see what chairs say back to my proposal
16:26:11 <ChrisL> q+
16:26:26 <joe> ack chrisl
16:26:30 <ChrisL> joe: will then make a more involved PR
16:27:29 <ChrisL> ChrisL: (explains how css wg pushes things to a new level to avoid impacting last call dates)
16:28:14 <ChrisL> joe: implementation commitment would be helpful to convince media capture we need this
16:28:30 <ChrisL> padenot: no specific timeline but definite implementor interest
16:28:32 <hongchan> sorry muted here locally.
16:28:42 <ChrisL> ... can post a traceable commitment
16:29:18 <ChrisL> padenot: seem to recall this is corret, need to check back and re-read
16:29:38 <ChrisL> matt: sounds like call for implementor support is dealt with,
16:30:03 <ChrisL> joe: will crwate a new PR for audio output and share with the group. this is not for now though
16:30:08 <ChrisL> matt: how long?
16:30:12 <ChrisL> joe: august
16:30:20 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 4
16:30:20 <Zakim> agendum 4. "review of issues marked as "Needing Review" that require attention to progress" taken up [from mdjp]
16:30:45 <ChrisL> matt: some issues still marked as needing WG review for v.1
16:30:55 <mdjp> https://github.com/WebAudio/web-audio-api/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+milestone%3A%22Web+Audio+V1%22+label%3A%22Needs+WG+review%22
16:30:56 <ChrisL> ... four issues
16:31:25 <ChrisL> .... three for cwilso  - any discussion needed?
16:31:35 <ChrisL> cwilso: looking at them real quick
16:31:47 <ChrisL> ... audio worker paul is on that,532
16:32:25 <ChrisL> cwilso: promises not discussed with tag. noise gate is waiting for WG review, proposal made in november
16:32:35 <ChrisL> ... if its ok, I can do a PR
16:33:08 <ChrisL> matt; everyone review the noise gate issue on the list, and raise any objections soonish, by next meeting, else assumed carried
16:33:27 <ChrisL> matt: any other issues needing input to move them forward?
16:33:37 <ChrisL> (no-one raises any)
16:33:49 <mdjp> zakim, take up agendum 5
16:33:49 <Zakim> agendum 5. "any other business" taken up [from mdjp]
16:33:57 <ChrisL> matt: ok, spend the next 30 minutes doing your issues!!!
16:34:04 <ChrisL> topic: next meeting
16:34:11 <ChrisL> matt: 23 july
16:34:17 <ChrisL> (general agreement)
16:34:26 <ChrisL> my regrets for that meeting, travelling
16:34:40 <ChrisL> matt; f2f at TPAC monday as originally planned
16:35:13 <ChrisL> ChrisL: aim for 50:50 split
16:35:23 <ChrisL> joe: we want 51%
16:36:01 <ChrisL> shepazu: on web payments, new group. for web annotations, will be there mostly but available if needed. chris will handle most audio stuff at tpac
16:36:11 <ChrisL> adjourned
16:36:18 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
16:36:18 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I don't know what conference this is
16:36:31 <ChrisL> oh, zakim, you obsolete heap of crap
16:36:49 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
16:36:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-audio-minutes.html ChrisL
16:37:19 <ChrisL> Present+: Daniel
16:37:21 <shepazu> s/for web annotations, will be there mostly but available if needed./I need to be there for web annotations on Mon/Tues, but will be available for Audio available if needed./
16:37:27 <shepazu> rrsagent, make minutes
16:37:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-audio-minutes.html shepazu
16:37:29 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
16:37:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-audio-minutes.html ChrisL
16:38:01 <ChrisL> Present+: padenot
16:38:05 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
16:38:05 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/09-audio-minutes.html ChrisL
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