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13:56:58 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 3668
13:56:58 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
13:56:59 <trackbot> Meeting: WebFonts Working Group Teleconference
13:56:59 <trackbot> Date: 08 July 2015
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14:00:25 <Vlad> I am on webex
14:03:13 <Vlad> Do you guys have any problems connecting via WebEx?
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14:03:53 <Vlad> Present+ Vlad
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14:07:42 <rsheeter> kuettel and kuettel_ are here!
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14:08:24 <ChrisL> I have joined the meeting but don't hear anyone and it says i am not speaking
14:08:38 <ChrisL> (this has worked fine on other webex calls)
14:08:49 <rsheeter> possible you joined the other meeting?
14:09:02 <Vlad> Chris, did you hit "Connected via computer" button?
14:09:37 <ChrisL> There isn't one! Usually there is. Instead I get an "I will call in" icon asking me to use a regular phone
14:10:19 <ChrisL> scribenick: ChrisL
14:11:50 <ChrisL> Vlad: the early call is marked "late"
14:11:54 <ChrisL> ChrisL: will fix
14:12:28 <ChrisL> topic: pending action items
14:12:52 <ChrisL> Vlad: lets check the spec changes wrt f2f meeting decisions
14:12:59 <ChrisL> ... new test case class
14:13:10 <ChrisL> action-148?
14:13:10 <trackbot> action-148 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Review and edit the conformance test for extraneous data -- due 2015-06-11 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:13:10 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/148
14:13:17 <ChrisL> was done at meeting
14:13:22 <ChrisL> close action-148
14:13:22 <trackbot> Closed action-148.
14:13:28 <ChrisL> action-179?
14:13:28 <trackbot> action-179 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Update conformance statements as per https://lists.w3.org/archives/public/public-webfonts-wg/2015jun/0001.html -- due 2015-06-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:13:28 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/179
14:13:51 <ChrisL> close action-179
14:13:51 <trackbot> Closed action-179.
14:14:08 <ChrisL> action-181?
14:14:08 <trackbot> action-181 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Add decoder category to woff2, and add to stylesheet -- due 2015-06-16 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:14:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/181
14:14:15 <ChrisL> these are the decoder ones
14:14:28 <ChrisL> close action-181
14:14:28 <trackbot> Closed action-181.
14:14:44 <ChrisL> Vlad: the test case descriptions are all updated as well
14:14:58 <ChrisL> (vlad checks the links are correct. they are)
14:16:24 <ChrisL> (vlad spots a typo and fixes live, re head checksum)
14:16:48 <ChrisL> Vlad: kuettel_ has sent me two sets of minor typos and those are also all fixed
14:16:56 <ChrisL> kuettel_: thanks!
14:17:34 <ChrisL> Vlad: so recent editors draft should have these all fixed. if I missed any, please say so
14:18:09 <ChrisL> (agreement to close the actions)
14:18:44 <ChrisL> topic: open action items
14:19:26 <ChrisL> Vlad: hmtx changes, waiting for a bit more of a confirmation and data from cosima from DM and action on Rod for google font corpus
14:19:48 <ChrisL> ... once we have two independent datasets we can go ahead with that
14:19:56 <ChrisL> ... in confidence
14:20:16 <ChrisL> Vlad: rsheeter any update on that?
14:20:32 <ChrisL> rsheeter: prefer to move it out a couple of weeks.
14:20:44 <ChrisL> action-176?
14:20:44 <trackbot> action-176 -- Roderick Sheeter to Test hmtx transformation over google fonts corpus (how many lsb == x-min for all glyfs, what savings) -- due 2015-05-27 -- OPEN
14:20:44 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/176
14:20:48 <ChrisL> action-178?
14:20:48 <trackbot> action-178 -- Vladimir Levantovsky to Add the hmtx transform to spec -- due 2015-06-10 -- OPEN
14:20:48 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/178
14:21:13 <ChrisL> action-176 due 2015-07-29
14:21:13 <trackbot> Set action-176 Test hmtx transformation over google fonts corpus (how many lsb == x-min for all glyfs, what savings) due date to 2015-07-29.
14:21:31 <ChrisL> action-178 due 2015-07-29
14:21:31 <trackbot> Set action-178 Add the hmtx transform to spec due date to 2015-07-29.
14:22:50 <ChrisL> action-178 due 2015-08-26
14:22:50 <trackbot> Set action-178 Add the hmtx transform to spec due date to 2015-08-26.
14:23:53 <ChrisL> ChrisL: firm dates for atypi meeting would be helpful
14:24:31 <ChrisL> action kuettel to check with Sao Paulo Google office re hosting a f2f there
14:24:31 <trackbot> Created ACTION-183 - Check with sao paulo google office re hosting a f2f there [on David Kuettel - due 2015-07-15].
14:24:56 <ChrisL> Vlad: prefer to check that first before asking atypi to host
14:25:05 <ChrisL> kuettel_: avout 10 attendees?
14:25:20 <ChrisL> Vlad: f2f with atypi is better attended than a stand alone one
14:27:11 <ChrisL> action-182 due 2015-07-22
14:27:11 <trackbot> Set action-182 Check with barbara re atypi-colocated meeting due date to 2015-07-22.
14:27:32 <ChrisL> ChrisL: (media types is more complex now due to whatwg mime sniffing spec)
14:27:49 <ChrisL> action-116?
14:27:49 <trackbot> action-116 -- David Kuettel to Decoder performance analysis on mobile devices -- due 2015-10-31 -- OPEN
14:27:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/116
14:28:03 <ChrisL> kuettel_: that date is correct
14:28:44 <ChrisL> action-168 due 2105-07-29
14:28:44 <trackbot> Set action-168 Measure RAM usage for woff2 vs. woff1 due date to 2105-07-29.
14:29:07 <ChrisL> action-172 due 2105-09-29
14:29:07 <trackbot> Set action-172 Register font media types due date to 2105-09-29.
14:29:40 <ChrisL> action-174 due 2105-08-26
14:29:40 <trackbot> Set action-174 Ask webappsec to review woff2 due date to 2105-08-26.
14:30:09 <ChrisL> oh, 1970-01-01
14:30:45 <ChrisL> action-174 due 2015-08-26
14:30:45 <trackbot> Set action-174 Ask webappsec to review woff2 due date to 2015-08-26.
14:31:00 <ChrisL> action-172 due 2015-09-29
14:31:01 <trackbot> Set action-172 Register font media types due date to 2015-09-29.
14:31:24 <ChrisL> action-168 due 2015-07-29
14:31:24 <trackbot> Set action-168 Measure RAM usage for woff2 vs. woff1 due date to 2015-07-29.
14:31:39 <ChrisL> action-180?
14:31:39 <trackbot> action-180 -- Roderick Sheeter to Make a new github repo with the compiled output from the test generator -- due 2015-06-16 -- OPEN
14:31:39 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/track/actions/180
14:32:22 <ChrisL> action-180 due 2015-07-15
14:32:22 <trackbot> Set action-180 Make a new github repo with the compiled output from the test generator due date to 2015-07-15.
14:32:47 <ChrisL> kuettel_: any specific host or pathname?
14:33:47 <ChrisL> rsheeter: its to take build results and check them in for ppl who can't run the build system
14:34:25 <ChrisL> topic: invalid base128
14:35:00 <ChrisL> Vlad: two issues. one is the interpretation of the test description. its not a glyph, its the font (with one glyph) that has it
14:35:17 <ChrisL> s/not a glyph/not in the glyph
14:36:08 <ChrisL> Vlad: the test case description is still wrong though. it says one glyph that says pass
14:36:44 <ChrisL> ... we used four different fonts for woff1, two local and two downloaded. each with one glyph that is a PASS ligature and one a FAIL
14:37:01 <ChrisL> ... mixed so that the downloaded and the local fonts had opposite results
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14:38:10 <ChrisL> Vlad: so the font that is downloaded should say fail, because the test passes if the downloaded font is NOT used
14:38:24 <ChrisL> (vlad fixes in real time)
14:38:39 <ChrisL> Khaled: I was agreeing
14:39:22 <ChrisL> https://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/wiki/TestPlan20-UserAgent#mustRejectInvalidBase128
14:40:17 <ChrisL> Khaled: leading zeroes is not a probllem. large enough values might make a huge font that is invalid
14:40:54 <ChrisL> ... value exceeds (2^32)-1 will make it invalid for other reasons too
14:41:25 <ChrisL> ChrisL: so that would be a false positive, the font is rejected for an unrelated reason
14:41:45 <ChrisL> Vlad: the woff2 data could be edited, so it has an incorrect value there
14:42:14 <ChrisL> Vlad: we should all review this test and see how to implement the third subcondition
14:42:23 <ChrisL> ... and drop if it is not doable
14:42:29 <ChrisL> rsheeter: sounds good
14:42:42 <ChrisL> Vlad: action on all of us to work out how to do this
14:43:13 <ChrisL> Khaled: the longer than 5 bytes one has the same issue
14:44:19 <ChrisL> topic: must reject extra data
14:44:20 <ChrisL> https://www.w3.org/Fonts/WG/wiki/TestPlan20-UserAgent#mustRejectExtraData
14:44:38 <rsheeter> does { 0x81, 0x81, 0x81, 0x81, 0x81, 0x01 } work for too long?
14:44:51 <ChrisL> Vlad: ideawas to insert that into the source font, then compress it and the binary data is compressed. compressor does no validity checking
14:45:50 <ChrisL> Khaled: the font will fail if it is used
14:46:41 <ChrisL> ... if there are four zeroes before the name table, it will not be passed
14:46:51 <ChrisL> s/passed/parsed
14:47:46 <ChrisL> Vlad: is the description clear now? Maybe a bit too concise
14:48:11 <ChrisL> Khaled: the font will be rejected for different reasons, not the extraneous data.
14:48:39 <ChrisL> Vlad: not if the offset is correct
14:49:02 <ChrisL> Khaled: the offsets are not recorded, they are computed. so the reconstructed offset will pont to the junk
14:49:07 <ChrisL> Vlad: aha, yes
14:49:34 <ChrisL> ChrisL: its rejected because the table does not parse correctly
14:51:23 <ChrisL> ChrisL: how about a truncated copy of a table, so it is valid, but does not have the data needed to render the glyph
14:51:35 <ChrisL> Khaled: yes, i see, this is doable
14:54:42 <ChrisL> Vlad: easy way is to pick a table, duplicate it without also duplicating the reference. probably the last table
14:54:54 <ChrisL> Khaled: yes, i will see how to do this
14:55:05 <ChrisL> topic: aob
14:55:40 <ChrisL> kuettel_: the dates for the meeting? tues oct 13, day before conference?
14:55:50 <ChrisL> Vlad: yes,that is what we have done for some years
14:56:13 <ChrisL> kuettel_: have tentatively reserved a conf room. about a 22 min drive, more in traffic.
14:56:23 <ChrisL> ... traffic can be really bad
14:56:49 <ChrisL> Vlad: not sure where hotels are wrt the venue and google
14:57:03 <ChrisL> kuettel_: hotel recommendations are closer to the venue
14:57:25 <ChrisL> kuettel_: will follow up with site to confirm, then we can check before committing
14:57:35 <Vlad> Regrets: Jonathan Kew, Ken Lunde
14:57:52 <ChrisL> kuettel_: we can lunch and coffee there too, also hangout with others who cannot attend
14:58:19 <ChrisL> zakim, list attendees
14:58:19 <Zakim> sorry, ChrisL, I don't know what conference this is
14:58:23 <ChrisL> sigh
14:58:36 <ChrisL> grep -i present+
14:59:03 <ChrisL> Vlad: okay, excellent first webex meeting
14:59:23 <ChrisL> I don't have java!
14:59:28 <ChrisL> and it still works
15:00:15 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
15:00:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/08-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
15:01:13 <ChrisL> present+ ChrisL, kuettel, Khaled, rsheeter
15:01:19 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
15:01:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/08-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
15:01:36 <ChrisL> chair: vlad
15:01:39 <ChrisL> rrsagent, make minutes
15:01:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/08-webfonts-minutes.html ChrisL
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