12:49:58 RRSAgent has joined #sdw 12:49:58 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/07/08-sdw-irc 12:50:00 RRSAgent, make logs world 12:50:00 Zakim has joined #sdw 12:50:02 Zakim, this will be SDW 12:50:02 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 12:50:03 Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference 12:50:03 Date: 08 July 2015 12:51:09 present+ kerry 12:53:12 kerry has changed the topic to: https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150708 12:54:46 BartvanLeeuwen has joined #sdw 12:55:43 Payam has joined #sdw 12:59:10 billroberts has joined #sdw 12:59:36 Rachel has joined #sdw 12:59:59 LarsG has joined #sdw 13:00:11 present+ LarsG 13:00:13 Frans has joined #sdw 13:01:14 Alejandro_Llaves has joined #sdw 13:01:42 present+ Alejandro_Llaves 13:01:56 present+ Frans 13:02:21 Rachel_ has joined #sdw 13:02:31 ClemensPortele has joined #sdw 13:02:34 present+ Bart van Leeuwen 13:02:38 MattPerry has joined #sdw 13:02:45 present+ ClemensPortele 13:02:47 present+ MattPerry 13:03:29 AndreaPerego has joined #sdw 13:03:38 Hi Kerry - we were hearing you reasanably well, if a little quiet 13:03:44 sounds like you couldn't hear anyone else though 13:04:29 i cant hear you much a t all 13:04:39 scribe volunteer please? 13:04:40 I can hear Kerry typing 13:05:22 ChrisLittle has joined #sdw 13:07:14 scribe: ClemensPortele 13:07:24 present+ AndreaPerego 13:07:50 scribenick: clemens 13:07:50 regrets+ Jeremy, Linda, Ed, Phil, Andreas, Simon, Stefan Lemme, Josh 13:08:06 regrets+ Jeremy 13:08:12 regrets+ Linda 13:08:17 regrets+ Ed 13:08:19 trackbit, start meeting 13:08:26 regrets+ Phil 13:08:30 trackbot, start meeting 13:08:31 regrets+ Andreas 13:08:32 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:08:34 Zakim, this will be SDW 13:08:34 I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot 13:08:35 Meeting: Spatial Data on the Web Working Group Teleconference 13:08:35 Date: 08 July 2015 13:08:40 regrets+ Simon 13:08:47 regrets+ Stefan Lemme 13:08:50 cory has joined #sdw 13:08:54 regrets+ Josh 13:09:02 present+ cory 13:09:22 topic: requirements issue-12 13:09:36 * Clemens, could you mute while typing please 13:09:36 Lots of background noise! 13:09:54 http://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/track/issues/12 13:09:54 kerry, could you mute yourself ? 13:09:55 Chris, I am muted locally 13:10:11 Alejandro_Llaves: issue 12 from Barcelona 13:10:47 q? 13:10:50 Alejandro_Llaves: for now excluded as considered out-of-scope, but we have the issue still open 13:11:04 q? 13:11:20 q+ 13:11:29 Alejandro_Llaves: for discussion at f2f meeting, but does not seem important for use cases 13:11:36 ack kerry 13:11:38 Alejandro_Llaves: comments anyone? 13:12:43 * clemens apologies 13:13:35 kerry: maybe not covered by a use case, but seems to be a requirement from IoT community 13:14:03 kerry: suggestion to close the issue for now, but add an action to discuss this with them later 13:14:44 q? 13:15:17 +1 13:15:30 action: kerry to keep in contact with WoT re actuation 13:15:31 Created ACTION-58 - Keep in contact with wot re actuation [on Kerry Taylor - due 2015-07-15]. 13:15:52 ACTION: Alejandro_Llaves to close issue-12 13:15:52 Error finding 'Alejandro_Llaves'. You can review and register nicknames at . 13:16:11 close issue 12 13:16:17 topic: best practice designissues 13:16:20 close: issue-12 13:16:26 :( 13:17:46 A good sample for best practice: http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html 13:17:53 https://www.w3.org/2015/spatial/wiki/Meetings:Telecon20150708 13:18:11 Are we focussing on "linked data" -- can we use JSON-LD as out primary encoding for each BP, then supplement where necessary? 13:19:08 kerry: Jeremy was keen on using JSON-LD in BPs 13:19:51 +1 13:19:56 Payam: Editors want to avoid the "usual" basics (have metadata, etc); just reference this as a basis 13:20:08 +1 13:20:12 Payam: Editors do not want a tutorial 13:20:40 Payam: But be clear about things to avoid 13:21:14 q? 13:21:23 q+ 13:21:40 +1 to technology independence 13:21:50 Payam: Idea is to use JSON-LD (and other formats) in examples, but be clear that this is just an example 13:22:13 q+ 13:22:38 +1 to technology independence 13:22:59 +1 to things to avoid as well as BP 13:23:27 Payam: Approach will be to go requirements and try to group them 13:23:34 I think that what we mean with "technology independence" needs to be clarified. 13:23:52 Payam: Editors will work on a proposal and present it to the group 13:24:10 q? 13:24:44 Payam: Plan is to have a draft available for f2f meeting 13:24:50 ack andreas 13:24:52 I think using JSON-LD for examples is a good idea. Reasonably readable and the JSON bit will be familiar to many non-lD people 13:25:01 ack andra 13:25:30 ack andrea 13:26:25 AndreaPerego: regarding referencing vs repeating - we need to be careful; is referencing general (we inherit all of Data on the Web BP) or are we specific with references 13:27:22 AndreaPerego: "technology independence" - what do we mean by this? the web is a platform that has its own technologies 13:28:20 Payam: agrees, document should also be self-sufficient, but should not go into detail with content included in Data on the Web BP 13:29:08 +1 on make references specific (to be clear which requriements or BPs are meant) 13:29:41 kerry: agrees on being technical, but no making the BP a tutorial 13:29:45 ack frans 13:30:07 The scope of the Spatial Data on the Web Working Group, SDWWG, is Web technologies as they may be applied to location. Where relevant, it will promote Linked Data using the 5 Stars of Linked Data paradigm, but this will not be to the exclusion of other technologies. 13:30:17 s/requriements/requirements/ 13:30:42 q+ 13:30:53 Frans: points out the statement in the charter; does everyone agree with this or is a change necessary 13:31:10 No change needed, IMO. 13:31:12 Payam: sees the approach discussed consistent with the charter 13:31:31 +1 for no change needed 13:32:13 +1 I think we "assume" as frans suggested 13:32:40 Frans: do we assume linked data to be the best practice or are we looking at each UC/Req? 13:33:15 q? 13:33:59 Payam: In many cases linked data is one approach, but others are (equally) valid as well 13:34:04 ack Bart 13:34:36 ... discussion about "best practice" (singular) vs "best practices" (plural) 13:35:13 ahaller2 has joined #sdw 13:35:16 BartvanLeeuwen: Data on the Web had a similar discussion 13:35:43 q+ 13:36:18 BartvanLeeuwen: Approach there is linked data is included in the scope, but not the exclusive approach 13:36:38 q? 13:36:49 kerry: suggests to discuss this when we have a concrete BP example 13:37:20 present+ billroberts 13:37:24 (sorry forgot before) 13:37:58 +1 agree easier to comment and refine when we can discuss a concrete first draft 13:38:12 Payam: idea was to not assume a certain technology to be the best practice for all use cases 13:39:33 I would say a certain "Web" technology 13:39:47 q+ 13:40:02 ack andrea 13:40:33 I liked Jeremy's explanation of the publishers and consumers relationship 13:41:25 AndreaPerego: the web should be the basis (not linked data as such), this is the minimal requirement 13:41:36 agree we must use uris and also we must link! 13:42:44 Payam: agrees with Andrea 13:43:30 http://w3c.github.io/dwbp/bp.html 13:43:56 kerry: agrees with Jeremy's proposal to use the DWBP as a template, but extend to cover both publisher/consumer perspectives 13:44:06 q+ 13:44:25 ack frans 13:45:33 q? 13:45:49 Frans: publishers may also have their own requirements beyond the consumer requirements 13:47:03 q+ 13:47:09 +1 13:47:17 kerry: should we ask editors to use the "template" and create an example? 13:47:24 ack frans 13:47:32 +1 13:48:35 Frans: a good idea; maybe from the metadata ones? 13:48:54 +1 to metadata 13:49:19 I hear a bit of background noise from somewhere but no speaking (except for Kerry) 13:50:24 Good idea to make suggestions on the list 13:50:33 kerry: please make suggestions on the list where to start 13:51:06 Payam: editors will work on the grouping 13:51:22 kerry: maybe do both (grouping, example) in parallel 13:51:33 I like the idea of picking one BP requirement as an example 13:51:43 topic: approve the minutes 13:51:50 +1 13:52:00 (missed last week's call so can't vote) 13:52:01 http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes 13:52:03 Kerry, you also did not do the patent call 13:52:04 +1 13:52:05 +1 minutes 13:52:08 +1 13:52:15 http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-sdw-minutes.html 13:52:15 I was not there 13:52:16 +1 13:52:23 +1 13:52:30 +1 13:52:33 +1 13:52:54 topic: W3C and OGC patent calls 13:52:57 I have not read the minutes entirely yet 13:53:19 topic: Sapporo 13:53:44 kerry: reminder to register for TPAC 13:54:20 kerry: idea is to finalise 1st working draft BP 13:54:32 kerry: start work on ontologies 13:55:09 ChrisLittle_ has joined #SDW 13:55:20 ChrisLittle_ has left #sdw 13:55:54 kerry: status at OGC? 13:56:22 ClemensPortele: email vote started (low turnout in OGC DWG telecon) 13:56:27 q? 13:56:32 topic: AOB? 13:56:54 Bye and Thank you 13:56:55 thanks, bye! 13:56:56 Thanks and bye! 13:56:58 ok, thanks very much, bye! 13:57:01 bye 13:57:03 bye 13:57:10 bye 13:57:15 have a good week 13:57:20 rrsagent, draft minute 13:57:20 I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', kerry. Try /msg RRSAgent help 13:57:36 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:57:36 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/08-sdw-minutes.html kerry 13:57:36 rsagent, draft minutes 13:57:46 rrsagent, draft minutes 13:57:46 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/08-sdw-minutes.html AndreaPerego 13:58:58 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:59:10 thanks everyone, bye 13:59:23 Bye again, Kerry, and thanks! 13:59:51 &quit 14:15:32 trackbot, bye 14:15:32 trackbot has left #sdw 14:22:30 Payam has joined #sdw 14:33:19 chaals has joined #sdw 15:01:13 ahaller2 has joined #sdw 15:26:39 Payam has joined #sdw 15:59:37 Zakim has left #sdw 16:11:22 ahaller2 has joined #sdw 17:12:29 ahaller2 has joined #sdw 17:15:29 chaals has joined #sdw 18:13:15 ahaller2 has joined #sdw 19:13:59 ahaller2 has joined #sdw 20:14:47 ahaller2 has joined #sdw 21:15:29 ahaller2 has joined #sdw 22:16:14 ahaller2 has joined #sdw