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15:50:36 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_PF
15:50:36 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, trackbot
15:50:37 <trackbot> Meeting: Protocols and Formats Working Group Teleconference
15:50:37 <trackbot> Date: 01 July 2015
15:50:44 <janina> Chair:  Janina
15:50:44 <janina> agenda: this
15:50:44 <janina> agenda+ preview agenda with items from two minutes
15:50:44 <janina> agenda+ Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open
15:50:45 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:50:47 <janina> agenda+ Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/
15:50:49 <janina> agenda+ Rechartering Continued
15:50:52 <janina> agenda+ TPAC 2013 Update [See Below]
15:50:54 <janina> agenda+ ARIA.Next Items
15:50:57 <janina> agenda+  Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization
15:50:59 <janina> agenda+ WAPA & Web Apps Reorganization at W3C Discussion
15:51:02 <janina> agenda+ Captcha, Multi-Factor Authentication Note Discussion
15:51:04 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:51:07 <janina> agenda+ next and future meetings http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#s_273
15:51:10 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:51:34 <janina>  present+ Janina
15:51:52 <janina> zakim, next item
15:51:52 <Zakim> agendum 1. "preview agenda with items from two minutes" taken up [from janina]
16:01:32 <ShaneM> present+ ShaneM
16:02:58 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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16:06:09 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie_Haritos-Shea
16:06:55 <ShaneM> scribenick: ShaneM
16:07:19 <richardschwerdtfeger> Present+ Rich
16:08:26 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pfwg/2015Jun/0186.html
16:08:32 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
16:08:37 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:08:37 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Actions Review (Specs) http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/Group/track/actions/open" taken up [from janina]
16:12:28 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:12:28 <Zakim> agendum 3. "new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html" taken up [from janina]
16:12:54 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/xinclude-11/ XML Inclusions (XInclude) Version 1.1
16:13:09 <ShaneM> Nothing interesting for PF
16:13:57 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/klreq/ Requirements for Hangul Text Layout and Typography
16:14:25 <ShaneM> Isn't there some korean a11y group that we talked about the other week?
16:14:42 <ShaneM> MichaelC: Yes - but they are doing their work in korean so we can't easily monitor it.
16:14:55 <ShaneM> ... only thing that might be concerning is low vision issues.
16:15:45 <ShaneM> janina: Maybe this shoudl wait until the new charters shake out. look at it during TPAC.
16:15:50 <ShaneM> s/shoudl/should/
16:16:31 <ShaneM> MichaelC: multi-directional text might be interesting with low-vision.
16:16:42 <ShaneM> ... not clear if it is in our domain to worry about right now.
16:17:44 <ShaneM> janina: there is a low vision task force that might get set up in WAI.  Maybe they should look at this?
16:17:53 <ShaneM> MichaelC: We should explicitly recruit some CJK speakers into that task force.
16:18:22 <ShaneM> JamesN: Lisa is an expert in rtl languages - recruit her.
16:18:36 <ShaneM> MichaelC: Hebrew / Arabic have different problems, but still.
16:19:59 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/navigation-timing-2/ Navigation Timing 2
16:22:04 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:22:04 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Community Groups http://www.w3.org/community/groups/" taken up [from janina]
16:23:21 <ShaneM> verizon MVNO
16:23:29 <ShaneM> s/verizon MVNO//
16:23:36 <MichaelC> action: Katie to look at Data on the Web Best Practices http://www.w3.org/TR/dwbp/
16:23:36 <trackbot> Created ACTION-1669 - Look at data on the web best practices http://www.w3.org/tr/dwbp/ [on Katie Haritos-Shea - due 2015-07-08].
16:24:30 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/cryptoledgers/ Cryptoledgers Community Group
16:25:32 <ShaneM> Katie: Web Paymentrs people are interested in this - it will pick up later
16:26:16 <ShaneM> ShaneM: I will be watching this as part of WPIG, Katie will too.  Someone will squawk of there are issues.
16:26:17 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/community/omn/ Federated Infrastructures Community Group
16:27:45 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:27:45 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Rechartering Continued" taken up [from janina]
16:28:42 <ShaneM> janina: charters are done... not sure what the delay is.
16:28:47 <ShaneM> MichaelC: Nothing to report.
16:29:09 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:29:09 <Zakim> agendum 6. "TPAC 2013 Update" taken up [from See Below]
16:30:48 <ShaneM> janina: hotel registration is available.  Do that!  It looks like it will be well attended.
16:31:53 <ShaneM> ShaneM: Renaissance Sapporo is the least expensive but will have construction.
16:32:23 <ShaneM> janina: The Renaissance will have shuttles
16:33:55 <ShaneM> JamesN: The Holiday Inn downtown was < $40 a night for most nights.
16:34:23 <ShaneM> ... you don't want to change airports in Osaka nor in Tokyo.  It is difficult.
16:35:47 <ShaneM> Basically there are lots of options on how to get to and from.  Look around!
16:36:56 <ShaneM> janina: Flying via Honolulu is not currently cost effective.
16:37:06 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:37:06 <Zakim> agendum 7. "ARIA.Next Items" taken up [from janina]
16:37:35 <ShaneM> richardschwerdtfeger: voted to have ARIA graphics go to FPWD
16:37:52 <ShaneM> ... extension process was not quite in place but moving along
16:38:14 <ShaneM> ... Rich has some todos that need to be done to get support for the extension out there.
16:38:29 <ShaneM> s/ARIA graphics/ARIA DPUB/
16:38:47 <ShaneM> richardschwerdtfeger: ARIA taskforce reviews things, but will not be a bottleneck.
16:39:33 <ShaneM> ... ARIA 1.1 mapping etc. targeted at July 14 for a heartbeat.
16:39:56 <ShaneM> richardschwerdtfeger: In the graphics module to scope things and decide what to deliver in time for SVG 2.
16:40:18 <ShaneM> ... might want to introduce new navigational model stuff for directions.  But that will not be done in time.
16:40:37 <ShaneM> ... need to do an API mapping guide.  Names / description mappings.  SVG is a little different from HTML.
16:41:01 <ShaneM> ... e.g., there can be a title attribute from SVG that differs from the one from HTML.  The browser willneed to choose which one to use.
16:41:27 <ShaneM> ... might also introduce a connector spec.  How to map connections between items in a graphics model (ala Vizio objects, for example)
16:42:18 <ShaneM> ... need to ensure that the same event model is implemented by all browser vendors.  tabindex + scripting and events mean you could implement navigation via scripting.
16:42:28 <ShaneM> ... targeting getting done with all of this in 2016.
16:42:45 <ShaneM> ... annotation relationships.  Moved to ARIA 2.0 but still important.
16:43:13 <ShaneM> ... error handling. There should be a way to expose keyboard shortcuts.  Things being discussed.
16:43:35 <ShaneM> richardschwerdtfeger: test cases is going to be a big deal.
16:43:56 <ShaneM> janina: Yes.  ARIA 1.1 test issues need to get started soon.  MichaelC has a plan to make a plan.
16:45:17 <ShaneM> richardschwerdtfeger: group has done a great job.
16:45:57 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:45:57 <Zakim> agendum 8. "Other Task Force Updates; COGA; SVG; HTML-A11Y--HTML Reorganization" taken up [from janina]
16:46:29 <ShaneM> janina: COGA and SVG are doing well.
16:46:48 <ShaneM> ... HTML A11Y TF may need to morph into something different as the HTML charter changes.
16:47:18 <ShaneM> ... webapps may take over the main work with a new name.
16:47:41 <ShaneM> ... as soon as there is a little more definition, we will need to readjust what the task force is about and who it talks to.
16:48:16 <ShaneM> zakim, next item
16:48:16 <Zakim> agendum 9. "WAPA & Web Apps Reorganization at W3C Discussion" taken up [from janina]
16:49:23 <ShaneM> janina: Community Groups may not be the best solution because there is no staff support.
16:49:45 <ShaneM> MichaelC: it turns out this is not a W3C policy.  It is a WAI funding position.  The funding for the positions does not allow it.
16:49:55 <ShaneM> ... if other staff were available they could assist a community group.
16:50:48 <ShaneM> Cyns: the thinking was that webapps workig group would be the place for more mature things to go.  Community groups would be a place to incubate ideas.
16:51:12 <ShaneM> ... being the first poster child for using this model would be good on a few levels.
16:51:38 <ShaneM> katie: are you expecting or thinking about a spec?  'Cause community groups can't produce specs.
16:52:15 <ShaneM> Cyns: The thinking was that a CG would do something and then hand it off to the working group when it was ready for FPWG.
16:52:44 <ShaneM> MichaelC: THe process is that a CG can do a report, and then push that report into a working group when it is ready.
16:53:43 <ShaneM> janina: one thing I get asked is "who will be working on this?"  I say "Cynthia, Rich, Joanie, JamesN..."  they are all a11y people.  are there others that plan to be involved?
16:53:46 <MichaelC> s/FPWG/FPWD/
16:54:04 <ShaneM> Cyns: we haven't done recruiting yet.
16:54:37 <ShaneM> ... "hey we are doing things in the new model that you guys liked.  Come play.  Also, because it is script not markup, we may get more interest.  But I am not sure.  We need to do the recruiting.
16:55:10 <ShaneM> janina: it is a concern that we need browser implementors involved.
16:55:21 <ShaneM> ... that's one of the reasons IndieUI did not complete.
16:55:57 <ShaneM> Cyns:  mozilla is the next group of people I will reach out to.
16:56:03 <ShaneM> ... don't know where Apple is at.
16:56:57 <ShaneM> janina: Note that there are things from IndieUI that might get picked up here.
16:57:13 <ShaneM> Cyns: certainly a lot of the use cases are the same.  No idea about solutions.  That's why it is in incubation.
16:57:45 <ShaneM> janina: This will mature once the charters from the interaction domain get sorted out.
16:58:21 <ShaneM> janina: Kenny is a possible staff contact?
16:58:45 <ShaneM> MichaelC: Judy is trying to work on how IndieUI fits into WAPA / WebApps environment.
16:59:12 <ShaneM> Cyns: "
16:59:24 <ShaneM> ... "Script based accessibility"
17:00:12 <ShaneM> MichaelC: judy wonders whether there should be some fallback statement in the ARIA charter
17:00:26 <ShaneM> Cyns: That might introduce some drama.
17:01:14 <ShaneM> Cyns: We are not talking about just any community group.  We are talking about working in a specific incubator community group.
17:01:56 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
17:01:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html ShaneM
17:02:37 <ShaneM> rrsagent, stop listening
17:02:37 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'stop listening', ShaneM.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
17:03:05 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here
17:03:05 <Zakim> ShaneM, you need to end that query with '?'
17:03:09 <ShaneM> zakim, who is here?
17:03:09 <Zakim> sorry, ShaneM, I don't know what conference this is
17:03:11 <Zakim> On IRC I see maryjom, Ryladog, richardschwerdtfeger, Zakim, RRSAgent, janina, ShaneM, MichaelC, joanie, trackbot
17:04:19 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
17:04:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html ShaneM
17:04:46 <ShaneM> zakim, regrets JohnF
17:04:46 <Zakim> I don't understand 'regrets JohnF', ShaneM
17:05:00 <ShaneM> regrets+ JohnF
17:05:09 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
17:05:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html ShaneM
17:06:22 <ShaneM> regrets: John Foliot
17:06:46 <ShaneM> regrets:  Gottfried Zimmermann
17:06:52 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
17:06:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/07/01-pf-minutes.html ShaneM
17:07:17 <ShaneM> regrets:  Gottfried Zimmermann, John Foliot
17:07:20 <ShaneM> rrsagent, make minutes
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