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14:33:02 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:33:02 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 27 minutes
14:33:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:33:03 <trackbot> Date: 30 June 2015
14:33:26 <Kenny> zakim, agenda?
14:33:26 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:34:34 <Kenny> agenda+ Review of Editor's drafts for Techniques and Understanding documents
14:34:35 <Kenny> survey: https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/publication_july2015/
14:35:00 <Kenny> agenda+ QRG Updates from Eric
14:36:08 <Kenny> agenda+ Discussion of Low Vision Task Force - and review of draft task force work statement http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/work-statement
14:36:29 <Kenny> agenda+ Discussion of breakdown of WG/TF tasks.
14:36:33 <Kenny> zakim, agenda?
14:36:33 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:36:34 <Zakim> 1. Review of Editor's drafts for Techniques and Understanding documents [from Kenny]
14:36:34 <Zakim> 2. QRG Updates from Eric [from Kenny]
14:36:34 <Zakim> 3. Discussion of Low Vision Task Force - and review of draft task force work statement http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/work-statement [from Kenny]
14:36:35 <Zakim> 4. Discussion of breakdown of WG/TF tasks. [from Kenny]
14:37:25 <Kenny> zakim, clear agenda?
14:37:26 <Zakim> agenda cleared
14:37:44 <Kenny> agenda+ Review of Editor's drafts for Techniques and Understanding documents https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/publication_july2015/
14:37:51 <Kenny> agenda+ QRG Updates from Eric
14:37:58 <Kenny> agenda+ Discussion of Low Vision Task Force - and review of draft task force work statement http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/work-statement
14:38:05 <Kenny> agenda+ Discussion of breakdown of WG/TF tasks.
14:38:13 <Kenny> zakim, agenda
14:38:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'agenda', Kenny
14:38:16 <Kenny> zakim, agenda?
14:38:16 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
14:38:17 <Zakim> 1. Review of Editor's drafts for Techniques and Understanding documents https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/publication_july2015/ [from Kenny]
14:38:17 <Zakim> 2. QRG Updates from Eric [from Kenny]
14:38:17 <Zakim> 3. Discussion of Low Vision Task Force - and review of draft task force work statement http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/work-statement [from Kenny]
14:38:17 <Zakim> 4. Discussion of breakdown of WG/TF tasks. [from Kenny]
14:39:42 <Kenny> Kenny has changed the topic to: WebEx meeting   https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m064eab3e5485b640231a7fe56dc4785c   Meeting PWD: wcag
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15:00:35 <Joshue> present+ Joshue
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15:01:08 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:01:08 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
15:01:09 <Zakim> 1. Review of Editor's drafts for Techniques and Understanding documents https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/publication_july2015/ [from Kenny]
15:01:09 <Zakim> 2. QRG Updates from Eric [from Kenny]
15:01:09 <Zakim> 3. Discussion of Low Vision Task Force - and review of draft task force work statement http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/work-statement [from Kenny]
15:01:10 <Zakim> 4. Discussion of breakdown of WG/TF tasks. [from Kenny]
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15:02:59 <marcjohlic> present+ Marc Johlic
15:03:15 <yatil> present+ EricE
15:03:53 <Joshue> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:03:53 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has not yet started, Joshue
15:03:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see MoeKraft, marcjohlic, Makoto, Joshue, bruce_bailey, Zakim, RRSAgent, yatil, MichaelC, trackbot, Kenny
15:04:06 <Joshue> trackbot, start meeting
15:04:08 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
15:04:10 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
15:04:10 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start 4 minutes ago
15:04:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
15:04:11 <trackbot> Date: 30 June 2015
15:04:27 <Joshue> Scribenick: bruce_bailey
15:04:31 <Joshue> zakim, who is on the phone?
15:04:31 <Zakim> WAI_WCAG()11:00AM has not yet started, Joshue
15:04:33 <Zakim> On IRC I see MoeKraft, marcjohlic, Makoto, Joshue, bruce_bailey, Zakim, RRSAgent, yatil, MichaelC, trackbot, Kenny
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15:05:40 <MichaelC> present+ MichaelC
15:05:46 <MoeKraft> present+
15:05:47 <bruce_bailey> present+
15:06:02 <Joshue> regrets+ David MacD, Jon Avila
15:06:03 <bruce_bailey> present+ Bruce Bailey
15:06:04 <MoeKraft> present+ MoeKraft
15:06:06 <Makoto> present+ Makoto
15:06:16 <laura> present+ Laura
15:06:25 <yatil> s/Bruce Bailey/Bruce_Bailey/
15:06:46 <Kenny> present+ Kenny
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15:07:27 <MichaelC> scribe: bruce_bailey
15:07:37 <laura> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribing_Commands_and_Related_Info
15:07:58 <bruce_bailey> Greetings and signin
15:08:25 <bruce_bailey> Scribe instructions very helpful
15:08:52 <bruce_bailey> zakim, next item
15:08:52 <Zakim> agendum 1. "Review of Editor's drafts for Techniques and Understanding documents https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/publication_july2015/" taken up [from Kenny]
15:09:04 <bruce_bailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/publication_july2015/results#xq2
15:09:37 <bruce_bailey> Request for working group to approve techniques and understading document
15:09:53 <bruce_bailey> Laura spotted a broken link to Jon Gunderson's site
15:11:01 <bruce_bailey> Marc and Micheal had some issues with diff mark displaying, but refreshing resolved
15:11:23 <bruce_bailey> Number of edits is actually a little minimal.  But we want to keep on schedule.
15:12:04 <bruce_bailey> Leads discussed off-line some strategies to try and keep updates more steady since we have been working
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15:12:18 <bruce_bailey> We want to keep precident on publishing on schedule.
15:12:45 <bruce_bailey> Josh and Micheal agree that we want to set pace and momentum.
15:13:17 <bruce_bailey> Discus minor edits per survey.
15:13:46 <bruce_bailey> RESOLUTION:  Editors draft for Techniques and Understanding approved
15:13:48 <Ryladog> Present+ Katie-Haritos-Shea
15:14:26 <bruce_bailey> Michael notes that this is public review version, so link will be correct for public final version.
15:14:32 <bruce_bailey> zakim, next item
15:14:32 <Zakim> agendum 2. "QRG Updates from Eric" taken up [from Kenny]
15:14:44 <bruce_bailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/publication_july2015/results#xq3
15:15:10 <bruce_bailey> Eric:  Recap from last week.
15:15:20 <yatil> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/UF_June_2015
15:15:22 <bruce_bailey> Out ill, so not much changes.
15:15:22 <yatil> https://www.w3.org/WAI/EO/wiki/UF_June_2015/Results
15:15:47 <bruce_bailey> Education and Outreach wiki page summarizes nine instances of user feedback
15:15:59 <bruce_bailey> Strong possitive feed back on main theme.
15:16:19 <bruce_bailey> Will incorporate some changes from recommendations and ask WG for more feedback
15:16:42 <bruce_bailey> Hope to get out soonish, summer vaction shedule impacts things.
15:16:49 <Joshue> q?
15:17:10 <bruce_bailey> Laura thanks Eric for Git Hub training
15:17:36 <bruce_bailey> Eric recorded, and is aviable on web ex archive, but results are not that great
15:17:48 <bruce_bailey> Web ex does not make captioning easy.
15:17:51 <Joshue> s/aviable/available
15:18:01 <bruce_bailey> Will be looking to upload to YouTube once we have captions
15:18:21 <bruce_bailey> Decision still active where to host.  URI to be circulated
15:18:25 <bruce_bailey> zakim, next item
15:18:26 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Discussion of Low Vision Task Force - and review of draft task force work statement http://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/low-vision-a11y-tf/work-statement" taken up [from Kenny]
15:18:46 <bruce_bailey> We asked group to review TF work statement
15:18:58 <bruce_bailey> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/publication_july2015/results#xq3
15:19:12 <bruce_bailey> Laura asked if need coordination between WGs.
15:19:30 <Ryladog> q+
15:19:31 <Mike_Elledge> q+
15:19:35 <bruce_bailey> Josh assures that yes, this needs to happen and we are mindful of need
15:19:43 <bruce_bailey> TF are all members of same WG
15:20:19 <bruce_bailey> Josh agrees that there could be possibillity for conflicts with TF extensions, but we will have to figure that out as we go along.
15:20:44 <bruce_bailey> There will mangement and oversight since we know going in this is a conflict.
15:21:16 <bruce_bailey> No really practical to prevent ahead of time, but that is why we are doing the work, work out conflicts as we go along.
15:21:48 <bruce_bailey> It is not realistic to anticipate any pontential conflicts but expect members to work through any dissonance.
15:22:15 <Joshue> q?
15:22:19 <Joshue> ack ryla
15:22:20 <bruce_bailey> If anyone has any further concerns or imput, please ping the list.
15:22:53 <bruce_bailey> Katie asking if different paradigm this WG and Cognitive and Mobile TF?
15:23:23 <bruce_bailey> Josh, different focus..
15:24:11 <bruce_bailey> Josh:  Cogo is joint TF between APA (formally PF) and WCAG
15:24:34 <bruce_bailey> Mobile is joint with UAAG
15:24:46 <Joshue> s/Cogo/COGA
15:25:06 <bruce_bailey> Similar brief and structure, different reports to WG
15:25:34 <bruce_bailey> Micheal:  closer to WCAG becaus our working group publishing results
15:25:47 <Joshue> q?
15:25:52 <Joshue> ack mike
15:26:20 <bruce_bailey> s/becaus/because
15:27:24 <bruce_bailey> Mike reporting some problems with IP blocking.  Micheal offers some help for trouble shooting.
15:28:15 <bruce_bailey> Katie reporting similar error message, but extra quote mark at end of URL resolved issue
15:29:08 <bruce_bailey> Members share some experience with work arounds...
15:31:52 <bruce_bailey> Meeting paused while Josh dropped...
15:34:46 <Joshue> q?
15:35:24 <bruce_bailey> Michael provides some more clarification on recent errors.
15:35:29 <bruce_bailey> zakim, next itme
15:35:29 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next itme', bruce_bailey
15:35:36 <bruce_bailey> zakim, next itme
15:35:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next itme', bruce_bailey
15:35:42 <bruce_bailey> zakim, next item
15:35:42 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Discussion of breakdown of WG/TF tasks." taken up [from Kenny]
15:36:39 <bruce_bailey> Something that has been coming up a few times relating to time use of working working group, what the working group is doing, and resources.
15:37:18 <bruce_bailey> Chairs have been bouncing some ideas around, want to brainstorm a bit on the call.
15:37:49 <bruce_bailey> Want to break down a bit on WG tasks.
15:38:13 <bruce_bailey> Main function of WG, what does the WG do?
15:38:25 <bruce_bailey> One is responses to onging comments
15:38:32 <bruce_bailey> Second is approval of drafts
15:38:56 <bruce_bailey> Approval of  TF exentsions
15:39:12 <bruce_bailey> Chairs would like to figure out how to do more work via mailing lists
15:39:15 <Joshue> q?
15:39:32 <Joshue> Development of parameters for extension work
15:39:38 <Joshue> Final approval of extensions
15:39:47 <Joshue> Most business to be conducted via email list
15:39:52 <Joshue> Use new decision policy
15:39:55 <Joshue> Chairs maintain meeting for planning
15:40:38 <bruce_bailey> q+
15:40:38 <Ryladog> q+
15:40:44 <Joshue> ack bruce
15:40:53 <Joshue> BB: We used to try to get a lot of work done on the list.
15:41:01 <Joshue> BB: It got difficult to thread the conversations.
15:41:20 <Joshue> BB: We can do that, and try to solve problems as they come up.
15:41:29 <Joshue> BB: The bug tracking DB is useful.
15:42:13 <bruce_bailey> Micheal suggest that there is more we can to manage email, using subject lines, etc,
15:42:20 <bruce_bailey> We still have access to DB
15:42:34 <bruce_bailey> Main idea is more asychronis work
15:42:38 <Joshue> ack ryla
15:42:40 <bruce_bailey> Meetings will continue
15:43:05 <Joshue> s/asychronis/asynchronous
15:43:05 <bruce_bailey> Katie points out that we can adjust as we go along
15:43:10 <Joshue> q?
15:43:19 <bruce_bailey> Josh confirm that these changes are not in stone
15:43:37 <bruce_bailey> Main focus at momement is cognitive and low vision
15:43:51 <bruce_bailey> Also mobile, and we have approval.
15:43:59 <Joshue> Definition of user needs and best practices
15:44:05 <Joshue> Development of techniques, sufficient/advisory
15:44:12 <Joshue> Gap analysis with WCAG 2.0
15:44:18 <Joshue> Extension development
15:44:23 <Joshue> Understanding document for extensions
15:44:29 <Joshue> WG chairs and TF facilitators coordinate more frequently.
15:44:31 <bruce_bailey> GAP analysis can be from perspective of each TF
15:44:41 <Joshue> All WG members are in a TF.
15:45:02 <Joshue> q?
15:45:04 <bruce_bailey> Call for Qs
15:46:41 <bruce_bailey> TF work is consensus by chairs that focus for the work
15:47:02 <bruce_bailey> Please think about what TF you want to active with
15:47:12 <bruce_bailey> Laura, how will new TF be formed?
15:47:39 <bruce_bailey> Josh, good question, since we do not know what new technologies will be faced
15:47:54 <bruce_bailey> Automobile and wearable on the horizon for example
15:48:17 <bruce_bailey> Need defined need and volunteers since new TF will need hours
15:48:42 <bruce_bailey> Laura reminds us that we had survey for new TF and it was in "post wcag" list
15:49:02 <bruce_bailey> Josh confirms that list is common sense way to list
15:49:23 <bruce_bailey> Laura suggest useabilty and digital instructional materials as ripe for TF
15:49:51 <bruce_bailey> Josh asks Laura to develop a little more and forward to group or chairs
15:50:04 <bruce_bailey> Open to other TF work
15:50:30 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:50:30 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:50:31 <Zakim> 4. Discussion of breakdown of WG/TF tasks. [from Kenny]
15:50:45 <bruce_bailey> Chairs are aware that this may be awkward season for working out new work flow and habbits
15:50:56 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
15:50:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
15:51:11 <Joshue> trackbot, end meeting
15:51:11 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
15:51:11 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
15:51:17 <MichaelC> chair: Joshue
15:51:19 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
15:51:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-wai-wcag-minutes.html trackbot
15:51:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
15:51:20 <RRSAgent> I see no action items
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15:51:44 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make log world
15:51:49 <MichaelC> rrsagent, make minutes
15:51:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-wai-wcag-minutes.html MichaelC
15:53:09 <laura> bye
15:53:25 <Makoto> bye
15:53:33 <Mike_Elledge> Bye all
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