IRC log of html-media on 2015-06-30
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- RRSAgent, make logs public
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- Zakim, this will be 63342
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- ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
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- Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
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- Date: 30 June 2015
- 14:46:59 [paulc]
- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jun/0046.html
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- HTML_WG()11:00AM has now started
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- + +1.206.876.aaaa
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- zakim, who is on the line
- 14:56:55 [Zakim]
- I don't understand 'who is on the line', MattWolenetz
- 14:57:16 [paulc]
- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 14:57:16 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see +1.206.876.aaaa
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- +[Microsoft]
- 14:58:56 [paulc]
- zakim, [Microsoft] is me
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- +paulc; got it
- 14:59:03 [MattWolenetz]
- zakim, aaaa is me
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- +MattWolenetz; got it
- 14:59:26 [paulc]
- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jun/0046.html
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- Chair: paulc
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- Scribnick: paulc
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- rrsagent, generate the minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-html-media-minutes.html paulc
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- +??P3
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- zakim, who is on the phone?
- 15:02:38 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see MattWolenetz, paulc, ??P3
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- zakim, ??P3 is me
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- +davide; got it
- 15:04:20 [paulc]
- test
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- present+ paulc
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- present+ MattWolenetz
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- present+ davide
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- present+ jdsmith
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- +[Microsoft]
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- zakim, [Micrsoft] is jdsmith
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- sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Micrsoft]'
- 15:06:19 [paulc]
- zakim, [Microsoft] is jdsmith
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- +jdsmith; got it
- 15:06:27 [paulc]
- Zakimk, who is present?
- 15:06:36 [paulc]
- zakim, who is present?
- 15:06:36 [Zakim]
- I don't understand your question, paulc.
- 15:06:43 [paulc]
- zakim, who is here?
- 15:06:43 [Zakim]
- On the phone I see MattWolenetz, paulc, davide, jdsmith
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- On IRC I see jdsmith, davide, MattWolenetz, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, trackbot, cwilso, adrianba
- 15:06:59 [paulc]
- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jun/0046.html
- 15:07:07 [paulc]
- Topic: MSE action items
- 15:07:26 [paulc]
- ACTION-95?
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- ACTION-95 -- Paul Cotton to Try to get some to update the firefox results -- due 2015-06-23 -- OPEN
- 15:07:26 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/95
- 15:08:30 [paulc]
- See http://w3c.github.io/test-results/media-source/all.html
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- Matt added these results
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- Close ACTION-95
- 15:08:48 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-95.
- 15:09:06 [paulc]
- ACTION-96
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- ACTION-96 -- Jerry Smith to Update microsoft mse test results -- due 2015-06-23 -- OPEN
- 15:09:07 [trackbot]
- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/96
- 15:09:30 [paulc]
- Matt: I added the Spartan results. Jerry please check these.
- 15:09:50 [paulc]
- ... I wonder what the priority of MSE prioritzation within MSFT?
- 15:10:08 [paulc]
- ... Previously Jerry said he was working "heads down" on EME.
- 15:10:24 [paulc]
- Jerry: Just started to looks at MSE results
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- Matt: Please let me know if you want any assistance or have questions
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- close ACTION-96
- 15:10:54 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-96.
- 15:11:08 [paulc]
- ACTION-97?
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- ACTION-97 -- Paul Cotton to Contact apple about safari support and if they are interested in mse testing -- due 2015-06-23 -- OPEN
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- http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/97
- 15:11:28 [paulc]
- Mike Smith added Safari results in http://w3c.github.io/test-results/media-source/all.html
- 15:11:48 [paulc]
- Matt: Mike may have updated the Firefox results as well and lost a Chrome set of results
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- Matt: Lots of time outs for Safari - could be a test runner problem, or a special flag is needed
- 15:12:46 [paulc]
- Close ACTION-97
- 15:12:46 [trackbot]
- Closed ACTION-97.
- 15:13:09 [paulc]
- Topic: MSE testing update
- 15:13:26 [paulc]
- Update from Matt: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jun/0040.html
- 15:14:12 [paulc]
- Matt: I have been asking about the WebIDL possible problems
- 15:14:41 [paulc]
- [Chromium] MSE w3c web-platform-tests interface.html shows multiple unexpected failures: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=504170
- 15:15:12 [paulc]
- paulc: Matt's work has been concentrated on generates "columns" of results for different MSE implementations.
- 15:15:39 [paulc]
- ... Has anyone thought about whether we have ther right number of "rows" ie the right number or coverage of tests?
- 15:16:31 [paulc]
- Matt: Mozilla is active in changing and adding tests
- 15:16:46 [paulc]
- ... I want to post up some new Chromium tests as well
- 15:17:03 [paulc]
- ... there are likely some coverage tests
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- Matt: The Mozilla new tests are being done as Pull Requests by ms2ger and jgraham
- 15:19:17 [paulc]
- Matt: I will be working on fixing bad cells and adding coverage as we go forward
- 15:19:59 [paulc]
- Jun 29 test results including Safari results: http://w3c.github.io/test-results/media-source/all.html
- 15:20:26 [paulc]
- Topic: MSE Bug 28822
- 15:20:48 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28822
- 15:21:16 [paulc]
- MSE] Spec is ambiguous as to event behavior of an explicit MediaSource duration of +Infinity
- 15:21:51 [paulc]
- "By my reading, the specs are currently ambiguous as to what happens when the MediaSource.duration gets set to +Infinity. Do we fire durationchange or not?"
- 15:22:19 [paulc]
- Matt: Should we allow changing the Duration from +infinity to something else?
- 15:23:42 [paulc]
- ... The spec only sets +Infinity when we extract it from the in band media ie if there is no value there
- 15:23:57 [paulc]
- ... The bug contains a good question
- 15:24:23 [paulc]
- ... Does it make sense to change a finite duration to +Infinity?
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- Jerry: When would this occur ie going from a fixed duration to an unknown duration?
- 15:26:06 [paulc]
- Matt: Inifinity is used for an bounded stream
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- s/bounded/unbounded/
- 15:28:02 [MattWolenetz]
- http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#durationChange
- 15:30:04 [paulc]
- The quoted text in the bug is from Step 6 in http://www.w3.org/TR/media-source/#duration-change-algorithm
- 15:33:34 [paulc]
- Matt: I will respond to this bug, resolve it WONTFIX since Infinity is a known value (it means unbounded). The only unknow value is NaN which is the initial value.
- 15:34:35 [paulc]
- Topic: MSE Bug 28857
- 15:34:46 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28857
- 15:34:58 [paulc]
- [MSE] Support attachment (and inspection) of MediaSource to HTMLMediaElement via HTMLMediaElement.srcObject
- 15:35:45 [paulc]
- See suggested change in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28857#c1
- 15:38:26 [paulc]
- First the HTML5 reference is http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#location-of-the-media-resource
- 15:42:03 [paulc]
- The HTML5.1 reference is http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/semantics.html#location-of-the-media-resource
- 15:47:58 [paulc]
- paulc: The question here is if we want to align MSE 1.0 with a feature that is not in HTML5 but is in HTML5.1
- 15:48:24 [paulc]
- ... we could fork MSE 1.0 to start working on MSE 1.1, we could start a list of future features to include this one, etc.
- 15:51:41 [paulc]
- ... So the summary here is that adding this 5.1 feature would definitely taking MSE out of CR and back to WD or LC
- 15:53:23 [MattWolenetz]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_status
- 15:54:41 [paulc]
- Matt will update as RESOLVED LATER and we can in the future collect together additional features for a new version of MSE
- 15:55:39 [paulc]
- Topic: Range removal algorithm
- 15:56:20 [paulc]
- Matt: There is set of related bugs on the range removal algorithm
- 15:56:44 [MattWolenetz]
- bugs 27980, 27982 and one other like "no frame removed on duration truncation"
- 15:57:21 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27980
- 15:57:26 [paulc]
- https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27982
- 15:58:57 [paulc]
- Matt: There two bugs are dependent on each other
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- Matt: The problem here is fall out from moving the algorithm from synchronous to asynchronous
- 16:03:25 [paulc]
- jerry: I will comment on the bug after the meeting.
- 16:04:09 [paulc]
- paulc: Add the third bug to the dependency list.
- 16:04:15 [paulc]
- Topic: Next meeting
- 16:04:30 [paulc]
- proposal is that EME next week and then return to MSE in two weeks
- 16:05:11 [paulc]
- And note Zakim is going away and we are switching to Webex for future meetings. so the phone call changes.
- 16:05:51 [paulc]
- Webex information: https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Media_Task_Force/Call
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- rrsagent, generate the minutes
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- I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-html-media-minutes.html paulc
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- Attendees were +1.206.876.aaaa, paulc, MattWolenetz, davide, jdsmith
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