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14:46:15 Zakim, this will be 63342
14:46:15 ok, trackbot; I see HTML_WG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
14:46:16 Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:46:16 Date: 30 June 2015
14:46:59 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jun/0046.html
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14:56:55 zakim, who is on the line
14:56:55 I don't understand 'who is on the line', MattWolenetz
14:57:16 zakim, who is on the phone?
14:57:16 On the phone I see +1.206.876.aaaa
14:58:46 +[Microsoft]
14:58:56 zakim, [Microsoft] is me
14:58:56 +paulc; got it
14:59:03 zakim, aaaa is me
14:59:03 +MattWolenetz; got it
14:59:26 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jun/0046.html
14:59:33 Chair: paulc
14:59:40 Scribnick: paulc
15:00:47 rrsagent, generate the minutes
15:00:47 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-html-media-minutes.html paulc
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15:02:01 +??P3
15:02:38 zakim, who is on the phone?
15:02:38 On the phone I see MattWolenetz, paulc, ??P3
15:02:47 zakim, ??P3 is me
15:02:47 +davide; got it
15:04:20 test
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15:05:04 present+ paulc
15:05:21 present+ MattWolenetz
15:05:29 present+ davide
15:05:39 present+ jdsmith
15:05:46 +[Microsoft]
15:06:06 zakim, [Micrsoft] is jdsmith
15:06:06 sorry, paulc, I do not recognize a party named '[Micrsoft]'
15:06:19 zakim, [Microsoft] is jdsmith
15:06:19 +jdsmith; got it
15:06:27 Zakimk, who is present?
15:06:36 zakim, who is present?
15:06:36 I don't understand your question, paulc.
15:06:43 zakim, who is here?
15:06:43 On the phone I see MattWolenetz, paulc, davide, jdsmith
15:06:45 On IRC I see jdsmith, davide, MattWolenetz, Zakim, RRSAgent, paulc, trackbot, cwilso, adrianba
15:06:59 Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jun/0046.html
15:07:07 Topic: MSE action items
15:07:26 ACTION-95?
15:07:26 ACTION-95 -- Paul Cotton to Try to get some to update the firefox results -- due 2015-06-23 -- OPEN
15:07:26 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/95
15:08:30 See http://w3c.github.io/test-results/media-source/all.html
15:08:38 Matt added these results
15:08:48 Close ACTION-95
15:08:48 Closed ACTION-95.
15:09:06 ACTION-96
15:09:07 ACTION-96 -- Jerry Smith to Update microsoft mse test results -- due 2015-06-23 -- OPEN
15:09:07 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/96
15:09:30 Matt: I added the Spartan results. Jerry please check these.
15:09:50 ... I wonder what the priority of MSE prioritzation within MSFT?
15:10:08 ... Previously Jerry said he was working "heads down" on EME.
15:10:24 Jerry: Just started to looks at MSE results
15:10:41 Matt: Please let me know if you want any assistance or have questions
15:10:54 close ACTION-96
15:10:54 Closed ACTION-96.
15:11:08 ACTION-97?
15:11:08 ACTION-97 -- Paul Cotton to Contact apple about safari support and if they are interested in mse testing -- due 2015-06-23 -- OPEN
15:11:08 http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/actions/97
15:11:28 Mike Smith added Safari results in http://w3c.github.io/test-results/media-source/all.html
15:11:48 Matt: Mike may have updated the Firefox results as well and lost a Chrome set of results
15:12:28 Matt: Lots of time outs for Safari - could be a test runner problem, or a special flag is needed
15:12:46 Close ACTION-97
15:12:46 Closed ACTION-97.
15:13:09 Topic: MSE testing update
15:13:26 Update from Matt: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015Jun/0040.html
15:14:12 Matt: I have been asking about the WebIDL possible problems
15:14:41 [Chromium] MSE w3c web-platform-tests interface.html shows multiple unexpected failures: https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=504170
15:15:12 paulc: Matt's work has been concentrated on generates "columns" of results for different MSE implementations.
15:15:39 ... Has anyone thought about whether we have ther right number of "rows" ie the right number or coverage of tests?
15:16:31 Matt: Mozilla is active in changing and adding tests
15:16:46 ... I want to post up some new Chromium tests as well
15:17:03 ... there are likely some coverage tests
15:18:29 Matt: The Mozilla new tests are being done as Pull Requests by ms2ger and jgraham
15:19:17 Matt: I will be working on fixing bad cells and adding coverage as we go forward
15:19:59 Jun 29 test results including Safari results: http://w3c.github.io/test-results/media-source/all.html
15:20:26 Topic: MSE Bug 28822
15:20:48 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28822
15:21:16 MSE] Spec is ambiguous as to event behavior of an explicit MediaSource duration of +Infinity
15:21:51 "By my reading, the specs are currently ambiguous as to what happens when the MediaSource.duration gets set to +Infinity. Do we fire durationchange or not?"
15:22:19 Matt: Should we allow changing the Duration from +infinity to something else?
15:23:42 ... The spec only sets +Infinity when we extract it from the in band media ie if there is no value there
15:23:57 ... The bug contains a good question
15:24:23 ... Does it make sense to change a finite duration to +Infinity?
15:24:50 Jerry: When would this occur ie going from a fixed duration to an unknown duration?
15:26:06 Matt: Inifinity is used for an bounded stream
15:26:21 s/bounded/unbounded/
15:28:02 http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#durationChange
15:30:04 The quoted text in the bug is from Step 6 in http://www.w3.org/TR/media-source/#duration-change-algorithm
15:33:34 Matt: I will respond to this bug, resolve it WONTFIX since Infinity is a known value (it means unbounded). The only unknow value is NaN which is the initial value.
15:34:35 Topic: MSE Bug 28857
15:34:46 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28857
15:34:58 [MSE] Support attachment (and inspection) of MediaSource to HTMLMediaElement via HTMLMediaElement.srcObject
15:35:45 See suggested change in https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=28857#c1
15:38:26 First the HTML5 reference is http://www.w3.org/TR/html5/embedded-content-0.html#location-of-the-media-resource
15:42:03 The HTML5.1 reference is http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/semantics.html#location-of-the-media-resource
15:47:58 paulc: The question here is if we want to align MSE 1.0 with a feature that is not in HTML5 but is in HTML5.1
15:48:24 ... we could fork MSE 1.0 to start working on MSE 1.1, we could start a list of future features to include this one, etc.
15:51:41 ... So the summary here is that adding this 5.1 feature would definitely taking MSE out of CR and back to WD or LC
15:53:23 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/page.cgi?id=fields.html#bug_status
15:54:41 Matt will update as RESOLVED LATER and we can in the future collect together additional features for a new version of MSE
15:55:39 Topic: Range removal algorithm
15:56:20 Matt: There is set of related bugs on the range removal algorithm
15:56:44 bugs 27980, 27982 and one other like "no frame removed on duration truncation"
15:57:21 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27980
15:57:26 https://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=27982
15:58:57 Matt: There two bugs are dependent on each other
16:00:20 Matt: The problem here is fall out from moving the algorithm from synchronous to asynchronous
16:03:25 jerry: I will comment on the bug after the meeting.
16:04:09 paulc: Add the third bug to the dependency list.
16:04:15 Topic: Next meeting
16:04:30 proposal is that EME next week and then return to MSE in two weeks
16:05:11 And note Zakim is going away and we are switching to Webex for future meetings. so the phone call changes.
16:05:51 Webex information: https://www.w3.org/wiki/HTML/Media_Task_Force/Call
16:07:59 rrsagent, generate the minutes
16:07:59 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/30-html-media-minutes.html paulc
16:09:12 -jdsmith
16:09:13 -davide
16:09:13 -MattWolenetz
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16:09:14 Attendees were +1.206.876.aaaa, paulc, MattWolenetz, davide, jdsmith
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