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15:01:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Semantic Web Health Care and Life Sciences Interest Group Teleconference
15:01:48 <trackbot> Date: 30 June 2015
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15:04:13 <dbooth> Topic: Approve Minutes of previous meeting
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15:04:47 <dbooth> wrong teleconference!
15:05:00 <dbooth> we are using webex now: Approve Minutes of previous meeting
15:05:09 <dbooth> oops, bad paste
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15:05:32 <dbooth> june 9: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20150609
15:05:41 <dbooth> june 16: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20150616
15:05:52 <dbooth> june 23: http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=ITS_RDF_Concall_Minutes_20150623
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15:08:07 <dbooth> APPROVED: Minutes june 9, 16 and 23
15:08:36 <dbooth> Topic: HL7 Project Scope Statement (PSS) for computable semantic links from FHIR to RIM
15:08:48 <dbooth> david: Update: Still being discussed in ArB, once it passes there an updated version will be distributed
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15:09:34 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR element ordering
15:09:59 <dbooth> Three options: https://goo.gl/DKcm0U
15:10:19 <dbooth> david: on Wednesday TF call, we agreed on option 1
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15:12:12 <dbooth> ... uses a fhir:index property
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15:12:58 <dbooth> paul: Same approach as in other work we've done
15:15:21 <dbooth> lloyd: motion to go with option 1
15:15:24 <dbooth> david: seconded
15:15:32 <dbooth> AGREED: use option 1
15:16:37 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR RDF & ontology deliverables
15:18:12 <dbooth>    1. FHIR RDF: HTML page (already started) explaining FHIR RDF serialization (equivalent to existing FHIR XML and JSON pages)
15:18:12 <dbooth>    2. FHIR ontology explanation page, explaining how FHIR structure definitions and other conformance resource can be expressed using OWL
15:18:12 <dbooth>    3. Modify the supported reference implementations to consume/produce RDF, just as for XML and JSON.
15:18:12 <dbooth>    4. Modify the FHIR spec build process, so when it produces JSON versions of everything and tests roundtripping, it also produces RDF versions of everything and tests roundtripping for RDF.
15:18:14 <dbooth>    5. Downloadable FHIR ontology (generated by the FHIR spec build process?)
15:18:16 <dbooth>    6. ShEx implementation of FHIR XML<->RDF round tripping, for use as a reference implementation for the RDF reference implementations
15:18:24 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> q+
15:18:33 <dbooth> ack marc
15:19:21 <dbooth> marc: Lloyd worked on 1, and Eric on #6.
15:19:41 <dbooth> lloyd: Grahame worked on #1.
15:20:38 <dbooth> david: For #2?
15:20:57 <dbooth> lloyd: I can integrate it into the build process, but reluctant to be a primary author.
15:21:21 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> q-
15:21:22 <dbooth> tony: Volunteering as editor on #2.
15:23:07 <dbooth> david: we should start getting a draft of a page for #2 online
15:23:30 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> q+
15:24:04 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> q-
15:24:29 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> #1 and #2 seems to be related
15:24:34 <dbooth> lloyd: need xhtml content
15:24:57 <dbooth> ... send email saying you agree to chapter 16, and i'll give you write access
15:25:18 <Marc_Twagirumukiza> and I think Lloyd is in best position as editor
15:26:25 <dbooth> lloyd: #4 will likely be Grahame
15:26:50 <dbooth> david: address that after the ShEx implementation ready
15:26:59 <Rafael> q+
15:27:13 <dbooth> ack rafael
15:27:35 <dbooth> rafael: Any discussion of JSON-LD?
15:30:13 <dbooth> david: explored that possibility, but JSON-LD does not handle context sensitivity, so we could not use it.
15:30:28 <dbooth> david: #5?  Tony?
15:30:50 <dbooth> tony: no, because that is generated by the build process.  would shex generate it?
15:31:31 <dbooth> ... we could start from hand-generated ont.
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15:32:20 <dbooth> ... Maybe #5 would come out of shex also.
15:32:47 <dbooth> david: #6 would be eric I think
15:33:33 <dbooth> Present: Sajjad
15:33:46 <dbooth> Present+ Claude
15:34:23 <dbooth> Topic: FHIR Side-by-side example
15:34:31 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/index.php?title=File:FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons.pdf
15:35:03 <dbooth> http://wiki.hl7.org/images/2/25/FHIR_RDF_Sample_side_by_side_comparisons.pdf
15:39:31 <dbooth> lloyd: Expose 'status' as a pseudo-CodeableConcept
15:40:35 <dbooth> tony: local codes move to CodeableConcept
15:41:52 <dbooth> ... range of status should be the valueset
15:43:56 <dbooth> lloyd: ont constraints would be on code datatype -- that it's a codeable thingy with only one coding.
15:44:31 <dbooth> ... And in the structure def that does the binding, the binding would assert that at least one of the codings for status must be an instance of the class of the valueset
15:44:51 <dbooth> ... and the valueset would insist that it is allergy status.
15:46:19 <dbooth> ACTION: Tony to update line 395 to use CodeableThingy
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15:47:31 <dbooth> line 402-434
15:48:49 <dbooth> tony: using classes for the valuesets, and classes for the concepts in those valuesets
15:49:12 <dbooth> ... lines 415-422
15:51:12 <dbooth> lines 406-411
15:51:58 <dbooth> lloyd: every property will have a cardinality assertion.
15:52:17 <dbooth> ... A second assertion will say if you have a fhir code, there is one coding
15:53:28 <dbooth> ... valueset assertion would have to be on the coding part -- not the valueset itself
15:55:31 <dbooth> david: What needs to be changed to section 3.2.3?
15:55:42 <dbooth> tony: need to incorporate CodeableThingy
15:56:10 <dbooth> lloyd: Would be easier to separate the cardinality assertions to where they go.  Bindings should be visually distinct from the cardinality assertions.
15:56:37 <dbooth> ... Some cardinalities will show up in datatypes though.
15:57:53 <dbooth> ... cardinality restriction can be separated.
15:58:18 <dbooth> ACTION: Tony to separate the cardinality from the binding to the valuesets
15:58:18 <trackbot> Error finding 'Tony'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
15:58:35 <dbooth> lloyd: valueset itself should be instance based -- not class based.
15:58:59 <dbooth> ... system is always a specific URL.
15:59:32 <dbooth> ... valueset says this valueset has system X
16:00:25 <dbooth> david: What lines would change?
16:00:44 <dbooth> lloyd: 418-22 would go away, and be replaced by a constraint on the system property of the coding.
16:01:21 <dbooth> ... expressed as a value constraint on the datatypeProperty of codingThingy.system
16:01:55 <dbooth> ... Valuesets are value constraints on Coding.
16:02:17 <dbooth> ... They can be an enumeration, or regex on the codes, or a wide variety of things.
16:02:39 <dbooth> tony: instances of valuesets are concepts.
16:04:20 <dbooth> ... valueset space is a class that expresses a filter on the allowed codings.
16:07:37 <dbooth> ACTION: Tony to work out changes to section 3.2.3
16:07:37 <trackbot> Error finding 'Tony'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/2014/HCLS/track/users>.
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20:02:08 <dbooth> Chair: David Booth
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20:03:35 <dbooth> Present+ David Booth, Marc T, Brian Pech, Lloyd McKenzie, Paul Courtney, Paul Knapp, Rafael Richards, Rob Hausam, Tony Mallia
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