See also: IRC log
<trackbot> Date: 29 June 2015
<scribe> scribe: cburleson
<Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15
<Arnaud> Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 15 June teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-06-15
Minutes from last call approved (no objections).
<Arnaud> roger, you're joining?
2015.07.13 (in 2 weeks)
Arnaud: Action 162
... I pinged Rob and we'll see what he says.
Arnaud: It is set up to be published as a Working Group Note tomorrow.
Arnaud: Main actors for this are
not on the call.
... I proposed we publish LD Patch as a Working Group Note - as
we did with Paging.
... We're one month away from expiring, and will not be
chartering right away. We only have one impl at this
point.
... It's not clear to me that this should become a
recommendation.
... It could still be turned into a a rec later - even if it
becomes a working group note right now.
... Cody, I know you guys said it was too complicated for your
immediate needs.
... Ted, you said you guys would be implementing it.
<Arnaud> PROPOSAL: Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note
<roger> +1
TallTed: But not real soon. We've been working on it off and on. (not exact words)
Arnaud: Proposal - Publish LD Patch Format as a Working Group Note
+1
<MiguelAraCo> +1
<ericP> +1
<TallTed> +1
Ashok: I asked and my team said "We're not quite ready to impl it yet."
That was Ashok, sorry
<Ashok> _1
<Ashok> +1
<Arnaud> RESOLVED: Take LD-Patch off the REC track and publish it as a WG-Note
Arnaud: Adre accepted to go to
public mailing list and post an email asking for answers on how
many people would join. There were several answers, but it
wasn't overwhelming.
... There were like 7 answers; is that sufficient to ask for a
proposal to recharter?
ericP: I think we need like 20 to
be sufficient.
... it looks pretty weak right now.
Arnaud: The other option, which
Andre suggested, is to create a Community Group.
... Anybody can join; you don't have to be W3C member.
... The only requirement is that you have to sign an agreement
on the intellectual property generated by what's created.
... You cannot produce a formal recommendation.
... You can call your documents whatever you want and they can
eventually drive recommendations.
... Somebody has to go to the page to propose a community group
and then only two or three more people have to agree. Then you
get a simple framework with a mailing list and a wiki page - a
basic framework for communication.
... Typically, people also now create a GitHub Repo
... I think, given the lack of support right now, we should
seriously consider this.
... I think Andre could be the one to go and create the
Communit Group since this was his idea.
Ashok: Do we have to write a charter?
<roger> I just added my +1 for interest in LDPNext. I did so earlier actually, but, somehow I couldn't post to public-ldp
<bblfish_> hi, sorry for being late
Arnaud: You don't have to have a
charter, but you can. A Community Group is much more
flexible.
... It's a wise thing to set some expectations, but it's not a
requirement to have a charter. At any point, for example,
someone can start working on something new rather than
following an explicitly set charter.
<bblfish_> I think a charter is very important
<Arnaud> PROPOSED: we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG)
<bblfish_> plus an official chair voted by the members
<ericP> +1
<bblfish> +1 unless of course we manage to find the other 13 support
<Ashok> +1
<MiguelAraCo> +1
<TallTed> +0.5
+1
<TallTed> unmute me
TallTed: Explaining rational for
+0.5 vote...
... My experience with Community Groups has been less than
stellar. Curious if anybody else has any experience with
it.
Arnaud: The JSON-LD started as an ad-hoc group outside of W3C (actually before CGs existed). They were told to create a CG when W3C brought them online.
TallTed: The spec was then adopted by RDF.
<roger> +0.5 ok for a temporary measure. hopefully we can re-group as a full WG in the future
Arnaud: Does anybody know of any example where a CG had work that lead to recommendation?
<Ashok> Agree with Ted and Roger
TallTed: Community groups have
now been [in existence for?] some years.
... The other option is a little more push for
rechartering.
... We've done important work and I'm afraid we're going top
let it fall on the floor.
Arnaud: I think that is a fair concern.
<bblfish> inked Data Platform in Python emerging from France https://github.com/CommonsDev/glutton
bblfish: News - there is a new
LDP in Python that passes the test.
... I think we do need a continuing group anyway. There will be
questions, for example. I think what should be done is that the
LDP CG should be chartered by us here in such a way that we,
the LDP WG, set the charter and process before we shut
down.
<Arnaud> bblfish
Arnaud: It's probably a good way to function to follow the same style as a Working Group.
<Arnaud> RESOLVED: we won't recharter the WG for now, work may take place in a Community Group (CG)
Arnaud: I understand the
concerns, but I don't think we have what we need to ask W3N to
recharter.
... I'm going to call it resolved.
... At the end of the month of July, we will be dissolved. We
can use the public list until CG is created. (but not the WG
list)
Ashok: Is Andre going to start it?
Arnaud: I will send Andre an
email to ask him.
... We'll have our last call in 2 weeks then and we'll use that
call to make sure this gets taken care of.
<Zakim> ericP, you wanted to ask about logists for call in 2 weeks
<ericP> 649 866 245
ericP: July 13 - 10:00 AM - I will schedule WebEX. Zakim will be gone.
<ericP> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mf910ecb91d680560d2556f538c5adb53
Arnaud: We'll still use IRC though.
bblfish: Any updates on HTTP Search verb?
Ashok: IETF meeting on the 19th
or 20th and we are on the agenda.
... We'll speak about it for about 5 minutes and then we'll
see. I'm not going to Prag, but someone from Oracle will
go.
bblfish: It's not too far from me; I could possibly go.
Arnaud: If you could go, that would be excvellent, Henry (bblfish).
That was Ashok last
<Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
This is scribe.perl Revision: 1.140 of Date: 2014-11-06 18:16:30 Check for newer version at http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/ Guessing input format: RRSAgent_Text_Format (score 1.00) Succeeded: s/Arnaud: I asked and my team/Ashok: I asked and my team/ Succeeded: s/eArnaud/Arnaud/ Succeeded: s/Henry/bblfish/ Succeeded: s/ITEF/IETF/ Found Scribe: cburleson Inferring ScribeNick: cburleson Default Present: TallTed, Arnaud, cburleson, Ashok_Malhotra, MiguelAraCo, Roger, EricP, +33.6.38.32.aaaa Present: TallTed Arnaud cburleson Ashok_Malhotra MiguelAraCo Roger EricP +33.6.38.32.aaaa WARNING: No meeting chair found! You should specify the meeting chair like this: <dbooth> Chair: dbooth Found Date: 29 Jun 2015 Guessing minutes URL: http://www.w3.org/2015/06/29-ldp-minutes.html People with action items:[End of scribe.perl diagnostic output]