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20:24:14 <trackbot> Meeting: SVG Working Group Teleconference
20:24:14 <trackbot> Date: 25 June 2015
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20:26:45 <ed> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-svg/2015Jun/0069.html
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20:29:43 <ed> Present+ ed
20:29:49 <AmeliaBR> present+ AmeliaBR
20:30:26 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG()4:30PM has now started
20:30:32 <Zakim> +Thomas_Smailus
20:31:07 <ed> Regrets: heycam, chris little
20:31:32 <Smailus> What happened to the WebEx change... is that still happening?
20:31:44 <shepazu> Smailus, yes
20:32:15 <AmeliaBR> Smailus: we're on Webex, didn't realize Zakim was still working: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=mff18becb94b12541dd5cab8d86361dae
20:32:49 <Zakim> -Thomas_Smailus
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20:32:51 <Zakim> Attendees were Thomas_Smailus
20:34:56 <ed> Present+ Thomas
20:35:14 <stakagi> Present+ stakagi
20:35:17 <Tav> Present+ Tav
20:35:22 <shepazu> present+ shepazu
20:35:24 <nikos> present+ nikos
20:35:28 <Smailus> +smailus
20:36:01 <Smailus> Present+ Smailus
20:37:36 <AmeliaBR> Scribenick: AmeliaBR
20:37:52 <AmeliaBR> TOPIC: Publishing an SVG Path Module
20:37:59 <AmeliaBR> https://svgwg.org/specs/paths/
20:38:38 <AmeliaBR> ed: We've extracted this from the SVG 2 spec, not much else has happened to it yet.
20:39:31 <ed> ed: I removed the old SVGPathSeg API from svg2 and the path module
20:39:46 <ed> ... and added the newly proposed API to path modules
20:39:54 <AmeliaBR> ... SVG 2 now only has the path commands from SVG 1.1
20:41:00 <AmeliaBR> Tav: The changes section is missing the new path bearing command
20:42:08 <AmeliaBR> ed: We wanted to publish this at the same time as SVG 2, I don't know if anyone else has something they want to add?
20:42:12 <ed> https://svgwg.org/specs/paths/#InterfaceSVGPathSegment
20:42:17 <ed> https://svgwg.org/specs/paths/#InterfaceSVGPathData
20:42:24 <ed> https://svgwg.org/specs/paths/#InterfaceSVGPathElement
20:42:29 <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR: I'm concerned about removing the old DOM interfaces if we don't have a replacement
20:42:47 <AmeliaBR> Nikos: Did you add in the new proposed interfaces
20:42:50 <ed> ed: the replacement is in the path module
20:42:57 <AmeliaBR> ed: Yes [See links above]
20:43:50 <ed> https://svgwg.org/specs/paths/#ChangesSinceSVG2 should mention the bearing command too
20:45:26 <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR: There are other features I would eventually like to see in the paths module, such as the superpath concept, but they don't have to be in the first iteration
20:45:47 <nikos> http://moissinac.github.io/SuperPath/
20:45:48 <AmeliaBR> ... the benefit of a modular approach is the module can be updated separately from the rest of the SVG spec
20:46:40 <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR: One thing we might want to include are the proposed DOM methods for shape to path and text to path.
20:46:53 <AmeliaBR> shepazu: I don't know where we'd put them, but I agree with the sentiment.
20:49:43 <AmeliaBR> ... we should initiate an email thread / wiki page about whether there are any other features that we want sooner or later
20:50:17 <AmeliaBR> ed: I don't want to delay publication to long, since we want to publish it at the same time as updated SVG 2
20:50:25 <Zakim> GA_SVGWG()4:30PM has now started
20:50:27 <AmeliaBR> ... so can we resolve?
20:50:32 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
20:50:34 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
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20:50:34 <Zakim> Attendees were [Microsoft]
20:51:04 <AmeliaBR> RESOLUTION: We will publish a first draft of the Paths module at the same time as an updated draft of SVG 2
20:51:36 <AmeliaBR> TOPIC: Sydney 2016 Face-to-Face
20:52:27 <ed> Houdini on 30–31 January, and CSS on 1–3 February.  So it
20:52:28 <ed> looks to make sense to have our meeting after that.
20:52:28 <ed> I propose then that SVG meets 4–6 February.
20:52:30 <AmeliaBR> ed: Shane sent us the proposal for the Houdini and CSS F2F meeting dates, SVG would be right after
20:52:39 <Rossen> Present+ Rossen
20:52:47 <ed> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/w3c-svg-wg/2015AprJun/0324.html
20:53:11 <AmeliaBR> ed: Are those dates okay with everyone?
20:53:36 <ed> https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/Sydney_2016
20:53:38 <AmeliaBR> Rossen: That should be fine
20:55:04 <AmeliaBR> shepazu: How much overlap is there?  Would it make sense to meet in parallel, instead of one after the other?
20:55:39 <AmeliaBR> Rossen: That's what I had suggested for Paris.  Although I'm involved in both, I have colleagues who can attend CSS.
20:56:10 <AmeliaBR> shepazu: But then there are also some mostly-CSS people who it would be nice to work with.
20:57:22 <AmeliaBR> Rossen: We could maybe partly overlap, two days in parallel and one after, so that there won't be quite so many days of meetings in a row.
20:58:15 <AmeliaBR> Tav: I do want to make sure that the SVG meetings don't get squeezed out; I don't want to travel that far just for a day or two.
20:58:39 <AmeliaBR> Rossen: the SVg meeting wouldn't be any shorter, it would just be at the same time as CSS is meeting.
20:58:57 <AmeliaBR> Tav: That sounds good.
20:59:44 <AmeliaBR> Rossen: We could try to overlap two days, and have one day where there is no conflict with CSS.  That way, those of us who are in both meetings can discuss any particular issues.
21:00:02 <AmeliaBR> shepazu: Will the meetings be co-located? Or are they hosted by different groups?
21:00:20 <AmeliaBR> Rossen: Most likely they will be the same location, so we can jump back and forth.
21:01:10 <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR: Should we present this to the mailing list, or make a resolution now?
21:01:25 <AmeliaBR> Rossen: We can make a resolution, and if anyone has concerns we can change.
21:02:03 <AmeliaBR> ed: So let's resolve on a two-day overlap. The SVG meeting would be 2-4 February.
21:02:54 <AmeliaBR> RESOLUTION: The SVG WG will have a F2F meeting in Sydney 2-4 February 2016, co-located with and partially overlapping the CSS WG meetings.
21:03:49 <AmeliaBR> ed: Do we have any confirmations from Mozilla about hosting the Paris F2F?
21:03:56 <ed> https://www.w3.org/Graphics/SVG/WG/wiki/F2F/Paris_2015
21:07:05 <AmeliaBR> TOPIC: Update on SVG Accessibility Task Force
21:07:49 <AmeliaBR> AmeliaBR: We're currently working on two projects, the SVG Accessibility API mappings, which will tell browsers how to treat SVG content from an ARIA perspective, and a set of new ARIA roles for graphics.
21:09:01 <AmeliaBR> ... One issue that will need to be discussed more in the SVG WG is whether use elements should be treated as a single graphical element (which is what the TF is leaning towards) or to use an embedded object/web component model (more complex)
21:09:12 <AmeliaBR> TOPIC: Update Web Annotation WG
21:09:30 <stakagi> german
21:10:06 <AmeliaBR> shepazu: In web annotations, we're talking about ways to define shapes or regions of a page, and the selectors will be based on SVG shapes.  And of course, we will also be looking at ways to annotate SVG documents.
21:10:35 <ed> present+ bogdan
21:10:52 <Rossen> present+ Rossen
21:13:28 <AmeliaBR> Bogdan: What about the proposal that new ideas should always be developed in Community Incubation Groups?
21:13:34 <AmeliaBR> [Discussion ensues]
21:14:09 <AmeliaBR> shepazu: I will follow up; my interpretation was very different from yours.  I will look into it and try to get back to you.
21:14:53 <AmeliaBR> Bogdan: I'm not sure if we're supposed to keep track of all SVG-related community groups, and how that gets integrated with the SVG WG.
21:16:34 <stakagi> bye
21:16:36 <AmeliaBR> trackbot, end telcon
21:16:36 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
21:16:36 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
21:16:44 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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21:16:45 <RRSAgent> I see no action items