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13:53:55 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
13:53:57 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:53:59 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
13:53:59 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 7 minutes
13:54:00 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:54:00 <trackbot> Date: 25 June 2015
13:54:19 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0026.html
13:54:25 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:54:29 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
13:54:42 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
13:54:43 <r12a> addison, we don't want people joining the zakim bridge
13:54:50 <aphillip> agenda+ Respond about Mediastream Track label
13:55:01 <aphillip> agenda+ Republish Korean Layout doc
13:55:03 <r12a> we'll need to check for that
13:55:12 <aphillip> agenda+ Publication Process Change
13:55:34 <aphillip> agenda+ CharMod
13:55:51 <aphillip> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:55:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
13:56:20 <r12a> agenda+ bidi in plain text http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html
13:58:16 <r12a> agenda+ webvtt review review
13:58:33 <r12a> agenda+ csv review review
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14:00:09 <aphillip> agenda?
14:00:27 <r12a> topic?
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14:03:49 <Zakim> Attendees were
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14:05:11 <aphillip> David and JcK: we're on webex, remember? ;-)
14:05:23 <JcK> present+ John Klesnin
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14:06:04 <Zakim> +??P1
14:06:12 <aphillip> present+ Addison
14:06:13 <r12a> present+ r12a
14:06:28 <Steve_Atkin> present+
14:06:32 <David> zakim, ??P1 is me
14:06:32 <Zakim> +David; got it
14:06:37 <Steve_Atkin> present+ Steve
14:06:59 <r12a> felix, phone in?
14:07:21 <aphillip> agenda?
14:07:48 <r12a> felix, i see you on the monitor, did you click on the Connect Audio button?
14:07:58 <Zakim> -David
14:07:59 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended
14:07:59 <Zakim> Attendees were David
14:08:26 <r12a> David, Webex meeting link: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m57e9ca8f57e92da37d5beb9cf9f03c9f
14:08:27 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:08:29 <aphillip> agenda?
14:08:51 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
14:09:34 <aphillip> action-113?
14:09:34 <trackbot> action-113 -- Richard Ishida to Work on tidying up Additional Requirements for Bidi in HTML & CSS over coming couple of months -- due 2015-02-05 -- OPEN
14:09:34 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/113
14:09:45 <aphillip> richard: will have a look at it. will proceed without aharon
14:10:00 <r12a> David, did you click on the Connect Audio button?
14:10:08 <aphillip> action-358?
14:10:08 <trackbot> action-358 -- Felix Sasaki to Retire requirements for its 2.0 -- due 2014-11-06 -- OPEN
14:10:08 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/358
14:10:17 <aphillip> felix, any update?
14:11:46 <fsasaki> present+ felix
14:11:56 <David> present +david
14:12:04 <Leandro> present +Leandro
14:12:06 <koji> present +koji
14:12:07 <David> present+ david
14:13:19 <aphillip> close action-421
14:13:19 <trackbot> Closed action-421.
14:14:23 <aphillip> action-444?
14:14:23 <trackbot> action-444 -- Addison Phillips to Write to w3 parties requesting that the publication tool be updated to support note track documents after richard identifiers who to ping -- due 2015-06-04 -- OPEN
14:14:23 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/444
14:14:37 <aphillip> richard: did have conversation with the tools folks
14:14:45 <r12a> https://github.com/w3c/echidna/issues/197
14:15:26 <aphillip> richard: system guys talking to plh about what to do, so you could add something to the above issue
14:15:37 <aphillip> ... as the chair
14:16:19 <aphillip> action-446?
14:16:19 <trackbot> action-446 -- Richard Ishida to Ask ivan about his experience with using github issues and best practices and report back -- due 2015-06-11 -- OPEN
14:16:19 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/446
14:16:39 <aphillip> close action-446
14:16:39 <trackbot> Closed action-446.
14:16:46 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:17:30 <aphillip> richard: unicode 8 released
14:17:47 <aphillip> ... includes lots of stuff, 6 new script blocks, skin tones
14:17:51 <aphillip> ... uniview updated
14:18:13 <aphillip> ... 28000 images * 2 to cover all non-Han ideographs
14:18:27 <aphillip> ... welcome to use them to show a character in a document
14:18:47 <aphillip> ... under some kind of cc license
14:18:59 <r12a> http://rishida.io/scripts/links
14:19:09 <aphillip> richard: fwiw, have pointers to info about scripts
14:19:20 <aphillip> ... updated to include all unicode 8
14:19:32 <aphillip> ... includes typographic and layout requirements that I know of
14:19:42 <aphillip> ... if you have any other info, **please** let me know!
14:19:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:19:56 <aphillip> agenda?
14:20:05 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:20:05 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
14:20:15 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:20:56 <r12a> q+
14:22:13 <aphillip> steve: vehicle info ones too please
14:22:16 <aphillip> ack r12a
14:22:37 <aphillip> richard: changes to counter style spec were related to chinese and maybe hebrew
14:22:42 <aphillip> ... when outside the range
14:22:51 <aphillip> ... like up to 9999
14:22:59 <aphillip> ... but some people said they implemented beyond that
14:23:10 <aphillip> ... so changed to say you could implement if you want to
14:23:14 <aphillip> ... but doesn't say how
14:23:22 <aphillip> ... "implementation specific styles" beyond that
14:24:00 <aphillip> richard: changed our tests with respect to that as well
14:24:28 <aphillip> richard: dennis sent me updates to his actions
14:24:36 <aphillip> ... will put somewhere public
14:24:45 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
14:26:02 <aphillip> chinese layout requirements
14:26:10 <aphillip> richard: just a bit more translation
14:26:26 <aphillip> addison: in a week or so?
14:26:33 <aphillip> richard: hope so but depends
14:26:56 <aphillip> ruby
14:27:09 <aphillip> richard: FF now has great support for not only markup but the styling
14:27:19 <aphillip> ... going from almost no support to leading support
14:27:25 <aphillip> ... check it out
14:27:51 <aphillip> vertical text
14:28:01 <aphillip> koji: long controversial topic about sideways-left
14:28:14 <aphillip> ... we would like to solve the concern
14:28:31 <aphillip> ... there will be some changes around that
14:28:59 <aphillip> koji: basic concern is that sideways-left can apply inline as well as blocks
14:29:06 <aphillip> ... and affects baseline
14:29:17 <aphillip> ... and logical direction
14:29:30 <aphillip> ... can to to top or right, depends on line
14:29:38 <aphillip> ... dbaron said "it's a little complex"
14:29:44 <aphillip> ... so trying to solve that
14:30:09 <aphillip> koji: text-orientation sideways is hard for authors to understand accoring to richard
14:30:14 <aphillip> ... trying to solve that too
14:31:15 <aphillip> agenda?
14:31:41 <aphillip> zakim, take up  agendum 3
14:31:41 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Republish Korean Layout doc" taken up [from aphillip]
14:31:54 <aphillip>    https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0020.html
14:32:05 <aphillip> richard: ported spec to respec
14:32:12 <aphillip> ... partially localized respec
14:32:17 <r12a> http://www.w3.org/TR/klreq/
14:32:28 <aphillip> richard: above is current TR version
14:32:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:32:42 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/klreq/
14:32:51 <aphillip> richard: above is English version
14:32:53 <r12a> http://w3c.github.io/klreq/ko/
14:32:58 <aphillip> richard: above is Korean version
14:33:39 <aphillip> richard: would like to publlish the above to TR so that the these are on TR
14:33:52 <aphillip> ... and including pointer to github issues
14:34:49 <fsasaki> +1 to publish
14:34:50 <aphillip> chair: resolve to publish new version of Korean Layout Requirements?
14:34:53 <Leandro> +1
14:34:55 <aphillip> +1
14:34:55 <David> +1
14:34:56 <Steve_Atkin> Steve +1
14:35:03 <r12a> +1
14:35:06 <JcK> +1
14:35:30 <koji> +1
14:36:09 <aphillip> chair: so resolved
14:36:27 <aphillip> action: richard: publish updated version of KLReq
14:36:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-447 - Publish updated version of klreq [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-07-02].
14:36:32 <aphillip> agenda?
14:36:55 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:36:55 <Zakim> agendum 4. "Publication Process Change" taken up [from aphillip]
14:37:11 <aphillip>     https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0025.html
14:37:37 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015Jun/0019.html
14:37:38 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:38:02 <aphillip> richard: main thing is to not do what we just did... ;-)
14:38:21 <aphillip> ... remove need to make formal resolution to publish
14:38:32 <aphillip> ... so that the github version and TR version track closely
14:38:43 <aphillip> ... the reason to do that is so that users review TR version
14:38:49 <aphillip> ... because TR is dated
14:39:00 <aphillip> ... and can scroll back to see what the text specifically was
14:39:23 <aphillip> ... so asking that the WG agree that editors can publish at any time without approval of WG
14:39:31 <aphillip> ... this would apply to working drafts *only*
14:39:56 <aphillip> ... could update daily (more likely every couple of weeks)
14:40:02 <aphillip> ... when editor is ready
14:40:19 <aphillip> richard: First Public or Note publication would require WG approval
14:40:30 <aphillip> ... just about keeping TR in sync with github version
14:41:03 <aphillip> richard: process proposal also says that suggestions can be put on github branches before merging
14:43:07 <aphillip> chair: do you support (+1) or not support (-1) proposal to change our default publication process to not require WG approval for editors to update TR from github version
14:43:09 <koji> +1
14:43:12 <aphillip> +1
14:43:14 <r12a> +1
14:43:16 <Leandro> +1
14:43:16 <fsasaki> +1
14:43:17 <David> +1
14:43:19 <Steve_Atkin> +1
14:43:32 <JcK> +1 (with more confidence than on the last vote)
14:43:42 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:43:50 <aphillip> agenda?
14:43:55 <aphillip> chair: so resolved
14:44:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:47:17 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:47:17 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Respond about Mediastream Track label" taken up [from aphillip]
14:50:13 <aphillip> action: addison: write a proposal to the working group for options in handling language and direction metadata in cases such as mediastream labels
14:50:13 <trackbot> Created ACTION-448 - Write a proposal to the working group for options in handling language and direction metadata in cases such as mediastream labels [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-07-02].
14:50:17 <aphillip> agenda?
14:50:58 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 6
14:50:58 <Zakim> agendum 6. "bidi in plain text http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html" taken up [from r12a]
14:51:10 <aphillip> richard: this addresses above item a bit
14:51:19 <aphillip> ... looking at csv spec
14:51:25 <aphillip> ... and looking at webvtt stuff again
14:51:33 <aphillip> ... like json and other plain text
14:51:40 <aphillip> ... how do you deal with plain text
14:51:49 <aphillip> .. for direction and language
14:51:51 <r12a> http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html
14:51:54 <aphillip> .... started writing article above
14:52:42 <aphillip> ... have a section about csv
14:52:53 <aphillip> ... could have other sections about other formats
14:52:58 <aphillip> ... what are possibilities, etc.
14:53:24 <aphillip> addison: best practices and guidance for spec authors?
14:54:09 <aphillip> richard: assign an action to the wg to read and discuss
14:54:32 <aphillip> action: addison: remind WG membership to read and be ready to discuss http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html
14:54:32 <trackbot> Created ACTION-449 - Remind wg membership to read and be ready to discuss http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html [on Addison Phillips - due 2015-07-02].
14:58:49 <aphillip> action: richard: ask Dom to change settings to notify of all traffic on our issues via email
14:58:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-450 - Ask dom to change settings to notify of all traffic on our issues via email [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-07-02].
14:58:56 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:00:06 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:00:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:00:13 <JcK> JcK has left #i18n
15:01:36 <aphillip> zakim, bye
15:01:36 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
15:01:40 <aphillip> rrsagent, make minutes
15:01:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:01:44 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
15:01:44 <RRSAgent> I see 4 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-actions.rdf :
15:01:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: publish updated version of KLReq [1]
15:01:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-irc#T14-36-27
15:01:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: write a proposal to the working group for options in handling language and direction metadata in cases such as mediastream labels [2]
15:01:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-irc#T14-50-13
15:01:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: addison: remind WG membership to read and be ready to discuss http://r12a.github.io/docs/bidi-plain-text/index.html [3]
15:01:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-irc#T14-54-32
15:01:44 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: ask Dom to change settings to notify of all traffic on our issues via email [4]
15:01:44 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/06/25-i18n-irc#T14-58-49