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19:00:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Performance Working Group Teleconference
19:00:48 <trackbot> Date: 24 June 2015
19:00:53 <Zakim> +Plh
19:01:16 <plh> zakim, ??p8 is Ilya
19:01:16 <Zakim> +Ilya; got it
19:01:45 <Zakim> +??P9
19:02:23 <plh> zakim, ??p9 is Bernhard
19:02:23 <Zakim> +Bernhard; got it
19:03:14 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
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19:04:23 <plh> Regrets+ Yoav
19:04:43 <plh> agenda+ eview charter feedback and proposed process updates
19:04:50 <plh> agenda+ time origin & workerStart
19:04:57 <plh> agenda+ attribute filtering
19:05:05 <plh> agenda+ revise "return copy"
19:05:12 <plh> agenda+ credentials in URLs
19:05:24 <Zakim> + +1.310.460.aaaa
19:05:37 <plh> zakim, aaaa is Michael
19:05:37 <Zakim> +Michael; got it
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19:05:47 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
19:05:47 <Zakim> agendum 1. "eview charter feedback and proposed process updates" taken up [from plh]
19:06:17 <plh> https://w3c.github.io/charter-webperf/
19:06:25 <plh> Plh: I'll make it official tomorrow
19:07:07 <igrigorik> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-web-perf/2015Jun/0080.html
19:07:41 <plh>   /TR/performance-timeline would be in sync with the github draft.
19:08:01 <plh>  /TR/performance-timeline-<n>
19:09:03 <plh>  /TR/performance-timeline
19:10:54 <plh> todd: should we have a branch in the repo that also contains that snapshot?
19:12:00 <plh> Ilya: yes, snapshot with a branch seem reasonnable
19:12:32 <plh> .. so the most recent would be gh-pages?
19:12:34 <plh> plh: yes
19:13:43 <plh> Resolved: Performance Timeline 2 can be published as a FPWD
19:14:18 <plh> Resolved: User Timing 2 can be published as a FPWD
19:14:40 <plh> Resolved: Server Tming can be published as a FPWD
19:15:02 <plh> Resolved: Preload can be published as a FPWD
19:15:55 <plh>  /TR/performance-timeline -> /TR/performance-timeline-2
19:16:06 <plh>  /TR/performance-timeline-1
19:17:08 <plh> Resolved: adopted the new versioning and branching
19:17:52 <plh> Resolved: WDs should be automatically published
19:17:55 <plh> http://www.w3.org/TR/navigation-timing-2/
19:19:08 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
19:19:08 <Zakim> agendum 2. "time origin & workerStart" taken up [from plh]
19:19:18 <igrigorik> https://github.com/w3c/hr-time/pull/6
19:20:07 <plh> Ilya: we should deprecate workerStart in favor of a translated time based approach
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19:20:49 <plh> Todd: didn't get feedback from Justin yet, makes sense from him.
19:21:05 <plh> ... we should wait for Boris to give a +1 as well
19:22:06 <plh> plh: you don't need to deprecate workerStart. it never made it into a REC. just removing it is fine.
19:23:05 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
19:23:05 <Zakim> agendum 3. "attribute filtering" taken up [from plh]
19:23:17 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/performance-timeline/pull/11
19:23:17 <igrigorik> https://github.com/w3c/performance-timeline/pull/11
19:25:15 <plh> Ilya: [summarizing the history]. https://htmlpreview.github.io/?https://github.com/w3c/performance-timeline/blob/592576c94599a88aa6183d827e54fa46d822cdfb/index.html
19:25:53 <plh> Todd: ok to merge
19:26:09 <plh> Ilya: I'll merge and ping the list
19:26:17 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
19:26:17 <Zakim> agendum 4. "revise "return copy"" taken up [from plh]
19:26:25 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/performance-timeline/issues/20
19:26:55 <plh> Ilya: Chrome and Firefox do not return a copy of the array
19:26:57 <plh> ... IE does
19:27:41 <plh> ... can we remove the "copy"? it's still ok to return a copy
19:27:47 <plh> Todd: looks good to me
19:28:49 <mpb> Do we need to change language on the Performance Observer interface too?
19:29:40 <plh> http://w3c.github.io/performance-timeline/#the-performance-observer-interface
19:31:22 <plh> Ilya: yes, perf observer shouldn't return a copy either
19:31:34 <plh> zakim, move to next agendum
19:31:34 <Zakim> agendum 5. "credentials in URLs" taken up [from plh]
19:31:43 <plh> https://github.com/w3c/resource-timing/issues/7
19:32:47 <plh> Todd: it's been suggested that exposing credentials in URLs through RT makes it easier to capture the credentials
19:33:17 <plh> ... the move to Fetch will disallow this and fetch will speak to it
19:34:10 <plh> Ilya: we can drop the credentials, but you won't get the same value for the url. and if you use different credentials, you won't be able to differentiate it
19:35:23 <plh> .... I propose to close it as "wontfix"
19:35:52 <plh> ... and let the browsers make their own decision (ie do as IE by disallowing that type of request)
19:37:02 <plh> Resolved: wontfix
19:37:50 <plh> Topic: linkNegotationStart
19:37:53 <plh> plh: drop it?
19:37:56 <plh> http://w3c.github.io/navigation-timing/#widl-PerformanceNavigationTiming-linkNegotiationStart
19:38:06 <plh> Ilya: we haven't been successful at implementing
19:38:24 <plh> ... we could ressurect it in the future if we have access to the data.
19:38:36 <plh> Resolved: drop linkNegotiationStart
19:38:51 <plh> Topic: Navigation Timing 2
19:39:24 <plh> Todd: ALPN id / nextHopProtocol . has value and no plan for implementation
19:39:30 <plh> ... ditto for redirectCount
19:39:43 <plh> ... should we do a snapshot of NT2?
19:41:27 <plh> plh: pb is that only IE supports it on top of performance timeline
19:45:25 <plh> [discussion on the need to do snapshots of HRT2, PT2, and RT first]
19:46:05 <plh> Ilya: open question related to nextHopProtocol into exposing too much networking information
19:46:13 <plh> Todd: didn't think of that yet
19:46:46 <plh> Ilya: redirectCount. was about making resource timing multi-fetch friendly
19:47:11 <plh> ... if NT2 gets defined on top of RT, we won't need that
19:47:41 <plh> Todd: also some concerns about security/privacy of that one
19:48:35 <plh> Topic: Call schedule for the summer
19:49:07 <plh> Ilya: next one is 07/15
19:49:19 <plh> ... then 08/15
19:49:34 <plh> s|08/15|08/12|
19:50:17 <Zakim> -Michael
19:51:52 <plh> [adjourned]
19:51:53 <Zakim> -[Microsoft]
19:51:54 <Zakim> -Bernhard
19:51:55 <Zakim> -Plh
19:51:57 <Zakim> -Ilya
19:51:59 <Zakim> RWC_web-per()3:00PM has ended
19:51:59 <Zakim> Attendees were Plh, Ilya, Bernhard, [Microsoft], +1.310.460.aaaa, Michael
19:52:07 <plh> rrsagent, generate minutes
19:52:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/24-webperf-minutes.html plh
19:52:31 <plh> Chair: Ilya
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