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22:58:24 <jhund> https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=me54d402392c9e1aaf3eb31ae761949dd
22:59:02 <jhund> trackbot, start meeting
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22:59:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be
22:59:07 <Zakim> I don't understand 'this will be', trackbot
22:59:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Web of Things Interest Group Teleconference
22:59:08 <trackbot> Date: 23 June 2015
22:59:23 <jhund> Meeting: WoT IG TF AP call
22:59:34 <jhund> Chair: Johannes_Hund
22:59:47 <jhund> present+ Johannes_Hund
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23:02:45 <jhund> Meeting: WoT IG TF AP call
23:03:15 <jhund> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015Jun/0074.html
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23:10:54 <kaz> scribenick: kaz
23:11:01 <kaz> Scribe: Kaz
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23:11:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/23-wot-ap-minutes.html kaz
23:11:30 <kaz> Present+ Jim, Kazuaki, Ryuichi, Kaz
23:11:40 <kaz> topic: Agenda update?
23:11:45 <kaz> (no specific comments)
23:12:14 <kaz> johannes: input from Kajimoto-san and Nimura-san
23:12:27 <kaz> ... next is technology landscape
23:12:38 <kaz> ... any other business?
23:12:55 <kaz> topic: Architecture model
23:13:52 <kaz> -> https://github.com/w3c/wot/wiki/Architecture-Model Architecture Model wiki
23:14:12 <kaz> k_nimura: (explains)
23:14:40 <kaz> ... need to clarify what the servient and gw are like
23:15:33 <kaz> ("Real Implementations for legacy devices" section)
23:16:25 <kaz> k_nimura: several options:
23:16:35 <kaz> WoT Servient gets a device profile on discovery.
23:16:35 <kaz> WoT Servient invokes a virtual instance and installs a Device Driver (Thing Description) that corresponds to the device profile.
23:16:35 <kaz> WoT Servient exposes APIs of the virtual instance.
23:17:11 <kaz> k_nimura: and "Assumptions of BT GW"
23:17:27 <kaz> s/options/options for "Behavior of WoT Servient"/
23:18:07 <kaz> BT GW has a media conversion capability such as BLE or Bluetooth 2.1.
23:18:07 <kaz> BT GW accommodates an API such as GATT API, WebBluetooth, or HDP(Health Device Profile) in order to expose functions of a real thing.
23:18:07 <kaz> WoT Servient binds the real thing and the Virtual Instance through the BT GW.
23:18:41 <kaz> k_nimura: to understand the legacy device side, we need that kind of supplementary information
23:19:07 <kaz> johannes: what need to be done by the WoT Servient for legacy devices.  Right?
23:20:06 <kaz> k_nimura: yes
23:20:29 <kaz> johannes: nice input to understand the mechanism
23:20:34 <kaz> ... any comments?
23:20:53 <kaz> (no comments)
23:21:04 <kaz> johannes: would move forward to Kajimoto-san's input
23:21:35 <kaz> ("Real Things accessible via Servients in the Web" section)
23:22:00 <kaz> johannes: virtual instances
23:22:51 <kaz> ... lifecycle flow
23:23:11 <kaz> (slides from Kajimoto-san)
23:23:54 <kaz> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wot-ig/2015Jun/att-0068/W3C_WoT_TF_AP_Kajimoto_Panasonic_20150621.pdf Kajimoto-san's slides
23:24:42 <kaz> johannes: skelton architecture
23:25:04 <kaz> ... and treatment of implementation
23:26:43 <kaz> ... would ask Kajimoto-san for clarification when he is available
23:27:13 <kaz> kaz: basically he suggests we should consider the mapping between the architecture model and actual system implementations
23:28:01 <kaz> ... and he shows four possible system implementations: Web-based, smartphone as UI, set top box as a GW, cloud-based services
23:28:01 <kaz> johannes: ok
23:28:10 <kaz> ... we should put these slides as well on the wiki
23:28:35 <kaz> ... let's talk with Kajimoto-san and ask him clarifications as well
23:29:02 <kaz> johannes: "smartphone centric" model is related to what Nimura-san explained
23:29:53 <kaz> ... and cloud-based service figure is related to the GW-based model
23:30:17 <kaz> k_nimura: yes, and Kajimoto-san thinks some more different possible protocols as well
23:30:54 <kaz> s/model/model.  These figures are useful to understand the mechanism/
23:31:06 <kaz> johannes: would add these figures to the wiki
23:31:09 <kaz> +1
23:31:35 <kaz> s/johannes:/jhund:/g
23:31:43 <kaz> topic: Technology landscape
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23:32:43 <kaz> -> http://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/APIs_and_Protocols_TF AP TF wiki
23:33:11 <kaz> jhund: looking at existing technologies
23:33:49 <kaz> ... bluetooth-related technology should be also added
23:34:00 <kaz> ... what do you think?
23:34:10 <kaz> ... need Invited Experts?
23:34:12 <kaz> q?
23:34:14 <kaz> q+
23:34:53 <kaz> q-
23:35:45 <kaz> kaz: do we want to invite the MMI WG Chair, Debbie Dahl?
23:36:01 <kaz> ... she can explain the MMI Architecture briefly
23:36:01 <kaz> jhund: fine by me
23:36:34 <kaz> kaz: can send a message to invite her to the next call CCing you
23:36:37 <kaz> jhund: ok
23:37:00 <kaz> action: kaz to send an invitation to the MMI WG Chair to join the next AP TF call
23:37:00 <trackbot> Created ACTION-9 - Send an invitation to the mmi wg chair to join the next ap tf call [on Kazuyuki Ashimura - due 2015-06-30].
23:37:21 <kaz> jhund: regarding bluetooth, anybody familiar with its profile?
23:37:27 <kaz> k_nimura: can make some contribution
23:37:36 <kaz> jhund: great
23:37:50 <kaz> ... I'm familiar with XMPP
23:38:00 <kaz> ... and would explain it during the next call
23:38:13 <kaz> ... also ask some other experts as well
23:38:23 <kaz> s/other/other MQTT/
23:38:41 <kaz> ... maybe we can get somebody for CoAP protocol as well
23:39:01 <kaz> ... if anything missing on the list, please let me know
23:39:13 <kaz> ... what are the major findings
23:39:23 <kaz> ... to gather a more complete picture
23:39:33 <kaz> ... to talk about Web of Things
23:39:53 <kaz> ... you can add items if there is anything missing
23:40:30 <kaz> ... also need to discuss "resource models" and "potential API patterns"
23:40:50 <kaz> ... resource models to describe related resources
23:41:22 <kaz> ... mapping to legacy devices as well
23:41:51 <kaz> ... if we can find common denotation mechanism, that would be great
23:42:08 <kaz> topic: Any other business?
23:42:31 <kaz> jhund: two f2f meetings
23:42:50 <kaz> ... IETF joint meeting in Prague
23:43:01 <kaz> s/meetings/meetings in July/
23:43:10 <kaz> ... joint discussion on CoAP, etc.
23:43:23 <kaz> ... data layer and application layer
23:43:47 <kaz> ... also we'll have a WoT IG f2f meeting
23:44:01 <kaz> ... in Silicon Volley
23:44:11 <kaz> ... technology landscape, etc.
23:44:31 <kaz> ... other TFs like device discovery as well
23:44:46 <kaz> ... how does a device find other devices
23:45:03 <kaz> ... our discussion today would be useful for that as well
23:45:26 <kaz> ... joint discussion on things description too
23:45:36 <kaz> ... actual content and data structure
23:46:02 <kaz> ... any comments?
23:46:23 <kaz> (no specific comments)
23:46:36 <kaz> jhund: ok, let's close the call then
23:46:39 <kaz> [ adjourned ]
23:46:45 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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