15:01:29 RRSAgent has joined #socialig 15:01:29 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-socialig-irc 15:01:29 johnbreslin has joined #socialig 15:01:31 RRSAgent, make logs public 15:01:31 Zakim has joined #socialig 15:01:33 Zakim, this will be 76244 15:01:33 ok, trackbot; I see T&S_SOCIG()11:00AM scheduled to start now 15:01:34 Meeting: Social Interest Group Teleconference 15:01:34 Date: 03 June 2015 15:01:44 Zakim, this is SOCL 15:01:44 sorry, lehawes, I do not see a conference named 'SOCL' in progress or scheduled at this time 15:02:15 Zakim, this is SOCIALIG 15:02:15 sorry, lehawes, I do not see a conference named 'SOCIALIG' in progress or scheduled at this time 15:02:45 Lynn has joined #socialIG 15:03:11 Zakim, this is SOCIG 15:03:11 ok, lehawes; that matches T&S_SOCIG()11:00AM 15:04:12 OK elf-pavlik. Thanks! 15:04:26 I am online too! 15:04:50 lost connection, redialling 15:05:05 +??P8 15:05:06 +[IPcaller.a] 15:05:26 Zakim P8 is johnbreslin 15:05:47 Zakim, who is on the call? 15:05:49 On the phone I see Ann, +1.541.410.aaaa, +1.617.308.aabb, [IPcaller], +1.313.594.aacc, ??P8, [IPcaller.a] 15:05:49 maybe a comma after zakim? 15:05:55 Hi it's Lynn, I don't know how to link myself either 15:06:16 zakim, aacc is EdK 15:06:16 +EdK; got it 15:06:35 zakim, P8 is johnbreslin 15:06:35 sorry, johnbreslin, I do not recognize a party named 'P8' 15:06:36 +??P12 15:07:04 Zakim, +1.617.308.aabb is lehawes 15:07:04 +lehawes; got it 15:07:29 Zakim, IPcaller.a is johnbreslin 15:07:29 +johnbreslin; got it 15:07:53 Zakim, IPcaller is Lynn 15:07:53 +Lynn; got it 15:08:16 scribe: AnnB 15:08:17 scribenick: AnnB 15:08:19 - +1.541.410.aaaa 15:08:51 + +1.541.410.aadd 15:09:08 Larry: (chairing) ... has been really busy, wants quick overview of what's gone on 15:09:21 AnnB: quick update 15:10:47 AnnB: F2F meeting in Paris was intense and positive. Code snippits were shared to illustrate use cases. 15:11:34 AnnB: Microformats, ActivityPump and other technical solutions were shared to understand pros and cons and how they compare. 15:12:20 AnnB: WG wants us to resolve use cases and take leadership role on social architecture. IG needs to focus on big picture, long-term vision and view. 15:12:39 AnnB: Activity.streams to be established as an official standard by WG. 15:13:14 AnnB: Social IG met last week for first time in a while. Not many attendees. 15:13:30 jasnell has joined #socialig 15:13:32 +[IPcaller] 15:13:51 AnnB: Proposal to merge #social and #socialIG IRC channels was approved yesterday by WG. 15:14:08 jasnell_ has joined #socialig 15:15:00 q+ 15:15:25 AnnB: Meetings and all activities between will take place on "social" IRC channel from now on. 15:15:36 q- 15:15:47 OK elf. ;>) 15:16:01 https://github.com/w3c-social/social-ucr/issues 15:16:39 AnnB: We still need a github tutorial for those of us who aren't familiar with it, so use case work can continue there. 15:17:48 +1 need to learn github better 15:18:01 Just a reminder, AnnB, that you're the scribe. :>) 15:18:01 elf: thinks it will be valuable to merge the IG and WG better 15:18:27 Thank you, Ann! 15:18:32 ... between IRC and GitHub, we should get better workflow 15:18:49 ... hopefully we'll develop better momentum 15:19:13 Larry: agrees that some of us need help getting going with GitHub 15:19:22 ... is there anyone in the IG who could help? 15:19:42 elf: I'll look and see if I can find a tutorial 15:19:52 I will send to mailing list some links on how to use github for a work as we do 15:19:53 Larry: thanks, that would be really helpful 15:20:08 ... note there are 2 general tracks in github 15:20:21 README has also links to all trackers https://github.com/w3c-social/social-interest 15:20:37 ... Issues and general Interest Group tracker 15:20:52 ... see today's agenda 15:20:55 W3C tracker has notion of *product* but on github we can just use separate repositories 15:21:39 Larry: (to Ann) ... seeking more clarity on use cases and what WG wants us to do 15:21:55 -??P12 15:21:58 q+ 15:22:32 AnnB: We still need to work through objections to use cases that were logged. That should continue to be the Use Case TFs short-term priority. 15:22:54 q+ re: use cases and broader picture 15:23:25 AnnB: Once those minor objections are resolved, we can move them into accepted category. WG will make the Social API do those things then; they will not include use cases that are not completely agreed upon. 15:23:38 +??P11 15:23:50 Zakim, P11 is me 15:23:50 sorry, guangyuan, I do not recognize a party named 'P11' 15:24:06 hi Guangyuan 15:24:10 Zakim , ??P11 is me 15:24:28 Hi 15:24:59 no problem, thanks 15:26:15 AnnB: IG needs too interact with WG members around use cases via github, otherwise they probably won't respond. So that makes the github tutorial even more urgent! 15:27:20 AnnB: tantek [and others in WG] dislike email and avoid using it. 15:28:53 AnnB: Sandro Hawk will be taking over some of the responsiblity for running Social WG/IG meetings, to relieve Harry Halpin's work overload. 15:29:07 s/Hawk/Hawke/ 15:29:56 Larry: appeals to the IG to pick things up again, figure out how to use GitHub, ping people in IRC, etc ... let's give it another go 15:30:20 ... question for elf: do we need to create an action re: finding a GitHub tutorial? 15:30:33 elf: no, I'll just do it later today and send an email 15:30:58 https://github.com/w3c-social/social-ucr 15:31:09 Larry: what's this agenda item re: implementation proposals? 15:31:35 https://github.com/w3c-social/social-ucr/issues/5#issuecomment-107920009 15:32:11 elf: this is about giving priority to use cases that have an implementation proposal 15:32:38 ... if no one has implemented a use case, then it gets less attention 15:33:11 ... in the end, any API recommendation must have 2 implementations in order to go forward toward standardization 15:33:41 https://github.com/w3c-social/social-ucr#user-stories-waiting-for-approval 15:34:35 Ann: does the IG have responsibility re: implementations? 15:34:56 elf: no .. just needs to be coordinated with User Stories and issues about them 15:35:41 I have to step away from my desk for a moment, be right back. 15:35:48 q- 15:36:18 it'll be ok 15:36:42 Larry: what's the difference between user stories and use cases 15:36:44 http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp-ucr/ 15:37:22 elf: the Linked Data folks (that link) did make a distinction ... but the WG does not seem to be making a distinction 15:38:09 Larry: let's just make sure both IG and WG are using both terms with same meaning 15:38:41 -guangyuan 15:38:48 ... does not seem that we have any responsibility for implementations tracking, other than being coordinated with user stories we're trying to resolve 15:38:57 zakim, who is in queue 15:38:57 lehawes, please add '?' if you meant to ask a question 15:39:08 q? 15:39:18 q- 15:39:20 http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp-ucr/ 15:39:46 q? 15:40:21 Larry: we've covered the items on agenda 15:40:24 ... any new business? 15:40:52 Lloyd: re: minutes from Paris F2F ... about mention of TimBL promoting RDF 15:40:57 q+ 15:41:20 ... I'm interested because I think there could be value with the semantics of social interactions 15:41:41 ... worried that semantics are lacking in the initial work that the WG has done so far 15:41:51 ... anyone know more about TimBL's thinking? 15:42:00 ... can we ask him? 15:42:04 I'm back 15:43:15 AnnB: TBL was at Paris meeting, listened attentively, but did not actively participate. 15:43:40 I meant to say TBL didn't say much 15:43:44 AnnB: TBL didn't speak up during meeting. 15:45:22 ... except he gave a passionate reminder of the longer-term value of including the semantics 15:46:22 q? 15:46:43 Larry: do you think the vocabulary TF needs to play a more active role, in trying to influence the WG in this manner? 15:47:00 johnbreslin has 1 karma 15:47:20 q? 15:47:46 Lloyd: I'm worried that the technologists are so far focused on current-state technology, rather than enabling a "future" vision 15:48:03 .... which I think will be based on semantics + social 15:48:33 .... therefore interested that TimBL brought this up 15:49:23 am i on mute 15:49:28 elf, I'll recognize you in a minute. Haven't forgotten that you're in queue. 15:50:42 guangyuan has left #socialig 15:50:42 AnnB: notes that JohnBreslin has long history with social + semantics (wrote book!) 15:50:55 guangyuan has joined #socialig 15:51:14 JohnBreslin: maybe we can influence through vocabulary, and via IG 15:51:33 Lloyd: yes, we are tasked to have "larger" view 15:52:12 JohnBreslin: search, SIOC, FOAF, Activity Streams ... 15:52:29 ... one limitation of SIOC is it only captures a point in tiem 15:52:32 time 15:52:45 ... a mix of all those might be good 15:52:51 ... what will that enable 15:54:20 AnnB: suggests that, when Lloyd and JohnBreslin have a beer later on (in Bend, OR) they can strategize on this 15:54:40 JohnBreslin: our strategy has been to target open source platforms 15:55:10 ... we're looking at the user stories, to see which ones could be implemented with our techniques 15:55:23 ... what can we actually implement 15:55:39 Larry: thanks John, valuable 15:55:43 https://github.com/w3c-social/social-vocab/blob/master/user-stories.md 15:55:48 https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig/Vocabulary_TF#Specific_Domains 15:56:05 elf: posting a link to another relationship between vocabulary and user-stories 15:56:15 zakim, ack elf-pavlik 15:56:15 I see no one on the speaker queue 15:56:27 ... want to make sure people can make extensions and model the domains they are interested in .. 15:56:29 q? 15:56:40 ... worried that decisions made now may block subsequent goals 15:57:07 ... make sure the work we do can be adopted for a variety of domains 15:57:19 Lloyd: agrees 15:57:25 q+ 15:57:42 ... SWAT0 seems limited; seems like just trying to standardize Facebook 15:58:29 Larry: as Use Case TF we need to both support the WG, but also to ensure we have a broad set of use cases, to include visionary ones 15:58:52 zakim, ack EdK 15:58:52 I see no one on the speaker queue 15:59:06 EdK: trying to understand to link that elf posted, with specific domains 15:59:12 ... eg., I don't see healthcare 15:59:36 ... domains seems to go back and forth between activities and industries 15:59:47 ... what does "domain" really mean? 16:00:05 tantek has joined #socialig 16:00:09 elf: I just quickly made those; what I thought of 16:00:22 ... let's use it as wiki .. people could help refine and adjust 16:01:00 Larry: ok, EdK .. maybe you could try to refine what elf wrote 16:01:24 q? 16:01:36 EdK: yes; seeking to have a foundation on which to work, rather than define an entire ontology 16:01:45 Larry: any final comments? 16:02:31 -EdK 16:02:34 - +1.541.410.aadd 16:02:36 -??P8 16:02:37 -lehawes 16:02:38 -elf-pavlik 16:02:47 lehawes++ AnnB++ 16:02:49 lehawes has 2 karma 16:02:55 -johnbreslin 16:03:06 guangyuan has left #socialig 16:03:10 trackbot, end meeting 16:03:10 Zakim, list attendees 16:03:10 As of this point the attendees have been Ann, +1.541.410.aaaa, +1.313.594.aacc, EdK, lehawes, johnbreslin, Lynn, +1.541.410.aadd, elf-pavlik, guangyuan 16:03:18 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 16:03:18 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-socialig-minutes.html trackbot 16:03:19 RRSAgent, bye 16:03:19 I see no action items