13:30:04 RRSAgent has joined #rd 13:30:04 logging to http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-rd-irc 13:30:06 RRSAgent, make logs world 13:30:06 Zakim has joined #rd 13:30:08 Zakim, this will be 7394 13:30:09 Meeting: Research and Development Working Group Teleconference 13:30:09 Date: 03 June 2015 13:30:10 ok, trackbot; I see WAI_RDWG()9:30AM scheduled to start now 13:30:32 annika has joined #rd 13:30:39 regrets: Peter Thissen, David Sloan 13:30:58 zakim, this is rd 13:30:58 ok, shadi; that matches WAI_RDWG()9:30AM 13:31:07 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:31:07 On the phone I see [IPcaller], +1.609.759.aaaa, [IPcaller.a] 13:31:12 zakim, who is on the call? 13:31:12 On the phone I see [IPcaller], +1.609.759.aaaa, [IPcaller.a] 13:31:17 zakim, ipcaller.a is me 13:31:17 +shadi; got it 13:31:18 zakim, IPcaller is me 13:31:18 +Vivienne; got it 13:31:40 + +1.609.734.aabb 13:31:57 +??P17 13:32:00 zakim, aaaa is Jason 13:32:00 +Jason; got it 13:32:03 -??P17 13:32:14 zakim, aabb is mhakkinen 13:32:14 +mhakkinen; got it 13:32:30 zakim, who is on the phone? 13:32:30 On the phone I see Vivienne, Jason, shadi, mhakkinen 13:32:38 +??P17 13:32:40 janina has joined #rd 13:32:46 zakim, call janina 13:32:46 ok, janina; the call is being made 13:32:47 +Janina 13:32:57 -Janina 13:33:13 zakim, ??P17 is me 13:33:13 +annika; got it 13:33:42 agenda? 13:33:59 zakim, call janina 13:33:59 ok, janina; the call is being made 13:34:00 +Janina 13:34:10 Agenda+ Charter Status Update and Direction Forward 13:34:11 Agenda+ Completing Outstanding Work - Short Updates 13:34:11 Agenda+ WFA 2015 Florence - Conference Summary and Research Trends 13:34:25 agenda+ Switching to WebEx teleconferencing system 13:34:43 scribe: shadi 13:34:50 chair: Vivienne, Mark 13:35:36 Yehya has joined #rd 13:35:46 LeticiaSeixas has joined #rd 13:37:18 +[FIT] 13:37:44 zakim, [FIT] is me 13:37:44 +Yehya; got it 13:39:30 SA: Introduction of Leticia from University of Paris 13:39:47 [[My name is Letícia Seixas and I'm a PhD student at Paris 8 with Prof. 13:39:47 Dominique Archambault. He suggested to me to subscribe to the RDWG mailing 13:39:47 list.]] 13:40:07 zakim, mute me 13:40:07 annika should now be muted 13:40:14 SA: regarding charter updates. 13:40:18 zakim, mute me 13:40:18 Vivienne should now be muted 13:40:46 SA: current proposal is to have this work continue as a task force in the Accessible Platform Architectures (APA) Working Group 13:41:18 Thank you 13:41:28 SA: SA will continue to provide the staff support, and the chairs will continue as Mark & Vivienne as task force facilitators togther with working group chairs, Janina 13:42:08 SA: APA working group was previously PF was Protocols and Formats Working Group chartered to crosscheck accessibility specs of W3C to be sure that accessibility is built in 13:42:29 SA: dynamic websites and ARIA work saw in this PF group 13:42:56 SA: the nature of the work has changed from specs checks and identifying accessibility barriers 13:43:39 SA: group will split WAI ARIA into a specific working group, so RWD work can be put togehter with accessibility cross-check, will have benefits and synergies 13:44:35 SA: RDWG might be a bit more outward focussed and looking ahead while APA would have a scope to ensure accessibility is built in. RDWG can identify potential issues before the specifications such as the Web of Things 13:45:28 SA: research part of this group want to look at potential future development and trends, such as use cases. Would allow a good binding between forward-looking focus and continue to working on things as they are developed 13:46:11 Janina: good review of history of PF and explanation of why it was seen as a good fit with this working group as a task force 13:47:01 Janina: APA welcomes the RDWG people, as a task force. PF have used task forces such as ARIA, and a group doing a gap analysis for issues relating to cognitive and learning disabilities - joint group with WCAG 13:48:02 i/SA: Introduction of Leticia from University of Paris/scribe: Vivienne 13:48:19 Janina: this task force will drive the work forward in supporting people with cognitive issues. PF had the responsibility to look at every W3C spec and ensure it supported accessibility. Sometimes looked at the document at last call point and called for negotiation 13:51:06 Janina: utilised the specs earlier in process to drive ensuring looking at use cases for accessibility. Getting requirements for a spec early in the process. Aware that no every person has the same level of expertise in technology, and people can serve in different areas, leading understanding. Several areas where we can benefit syngistically from working together. There are problems around 13:51:06 CSS, and there are issues that aren't getting a thorough job done, how everything fits together. IBM put someone else in the CSS working group on behalf of accessibility. Need overall understanding, several people who know how the pieces fit together. CSS welcomes this work. 13:52:30 Janina: media is emerging as important - media accessibility user requirements are almost complete as a note to be published - growing up to be 2-way specification. Hope to build a set of W3C requirements and specifications that comprehend accessibilty from the group up. There is a need for supporting research in the broader area W3C specs are taking and monitor these future technologies meet 13:52:31 requirements. 13:54:31 SA: Status - has been the kind of discussion progressing, charter proposal has been sent to the group. Jason has provided good feedback regarding things that have been not included yet in APA charter. APA distanced from EO work. Accessibility Aware Research Tips are educational and awareness-raising. Scope of group is not likely to do 'how to' do educational issues, but how to create technical 13:54:31 aspects 13:54:54 SA: any feedback from the group is welcome? 13:54:57 +q 13:55:32 SA: will be putting this proposal to the AC again and this will define the work for the future 13:56:08 MH: logically, re transition to task force. TF requires membership - can be members from APA and other groups. Does everyone currently in RDWG automatically become a member of APA 13:56:20 Janina: yes - need to work out mechanics, but essentially yes 13:56:43 q+ to speak to logistics 13:56:49 ack m 13:56:50 MH: in terms of participation in the TF, for good standing - participate in TF but not necessarily in APA call? 13:57:45 Janina: question is frequently raised. good number of members of PF who are very active in ARIA work but don't particpate direclty in PF review activity, unless specifically asked to help with a spec review due to their technical abilities 13:58:33 Janina: you might be on the same mailing list - have a primary APA mailing list with relatively low traffic at the moment. There are also task force lists with heavier traffic. 13:58:47 ack me 13:59:52 Janina: regarding how to documentation, we have started (Michael Cooper - primary staff contact) a document to help other working groups deal with accessibility in their specifications, because we have found over time that we are giving working groups the same advice 14:02:12 SA: technically as a TF, sub group of working group, the APA would be the parent working group of which we would be members and part of the main mailing list. Also members of a TF and can create a corresponding group with same infrastructure with same tracking tools, mailing list etc. Gives a bit of separation and reduce some noise. 14:02:49 SA: every group works differently with some TF more disjointed, depends on work statement of the TF which needs to be developed 14:03:53 ack me 14:03:53 shadi, you wanted to speak to logistics 14:04:53 MH: timetables - we have extension to July 16 for current active charters. How soon before we see the AC voting? 14:05:26 SA: current schedule to approve by W3C management to go to AC for review next week - 4 week review period 14:05:48 SA: a lot of the WAI groups are being reshuffled and so several groups will be sent out together 14:06:09 SA: joint APA/RDWG should be sent out in time for next week 14:06:51 MH: thanks to Janina for update 14:07:18 MH: update on current deliverables of the group - chairs need to work on User Modelling Report 14:07:20 ack me 14:07:28 zakim, take up next 14:07:28 agendum 1. "Charter Status Update and Direction Forward" taken up [from shadi] 14:07:38 zakim, close agendum 1 14:07:38 agendum 1, Charter Status Update and Direction Forward, closed 14:07:39 I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is 14:07:39 2. Completing Outstanding Work - Short Updates [from shadi] 14:07:40 zakim, take up next 14:07:41 agendum 2. "Completing Outstanding Work - Short Updates" taken up [from shadi] 14:08:33 vivienne - progress on user modeling and the next to focus on is Wayfinding. Vivienne will talk to Annika and Christos 14:09:15 SA: have an action item to create a survey for the metrics report, so hope that one will be coming to next week's discussion and there will be a survey open for a week 14:09:19 zakim, mute me 14:09:19 Vivienne should now be muted 14:09:37 zakim, take up agendum 4 14:09:37 agendum 4. "Switching to WebEx teleconferencing system" taken up [from shadi] 14:09:38 MH: Webex - let's move that item up the agenda 14:11:13 SA: we are losing zakim conference bridge and moving to webex as there isn't the funding to support zakim any more. online teleconference systems often have accessibility issues. 14:13:16 SA: we have an offer of Webex which is a Cisco product. This has been selected. Zakim will be obsolete as at the end of this month, so we need to start switching to Webex now. Even though there are accessibility and usability issues. You have to install another client. offers other benefits such as muting people and writing messages that are different. Teleconference abilities are more scalable 14:13:17 including the symposia. 14:13:50 Sa: in active discussions with Cisco who are a W3C member, trying to get some of the issues fixed. 14:14:03 q+ 14:14:47 zakim, ack me 14:14:47 unmuting Vivienne 14:14:48 I see no one on the speaker queue 14:16:25 Janina: several ways to gain access to a teleconference tht is webex generated. For mac users you won't like the webex client, IOS client is better. Android client for screen reader users is very usable. YOu can dial a Boston phone number to gain access. If you use a mobile client or web plugin you can specify a phone number and webex will call you. 14:16:53 Janina: linux client is full of issues, you can be called at any phone number 14:17:29 Janina: IRC will still be used for text, we will have to tell webex who is on the call 14:18:08 Janina: one of primary reasons webex is adopted is that MIT is using webex and we can piggyback on that 14:18:26 MH: Shadi can we get call in instructions to use webex for next week? 14:18:33 SA: yes, start from next week 14:18:35 q- 14:18:52 SA: try to call in a few minutes earlier next week 14:19:00 q+ 14:19:33 Janina: you can have both zakim and webex on the same call for practice 14:21:28 Janina: you should be able to use Skype just the same 14:21:46 Janina: webex may give better audio 14:23:40 zakim, take up agendum 3 14:23:40 agendum 3. "WFA 2015 Florence - Conference Summary and Research Trends" taken up [from shadi] 14:23:52 MH: wanted to do a quick update on W4A in Florence 14:24:02 http://dl.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=2745555 14:24:28 Conference papers available through ACM Digital Library. 14:24:45 Quick highlights 14:26:24 60 people in attendance. Paciello Challenge papers included a presentation on braille display that is placed on the tongue. Demonstrated how braille could be presented and recognized on the tongue. 14:27:02 Another paper focused on the ability of screen readers to present math expressions in speech and braille. The math paper won the Judge's awarrd. 14:27:34 Sharif, a PhD student, presented work on how information in graphs and charts can be read via screen readers. 14:29:06 Papers this year were of a higher quality. Lots of papers worth looking at, especially some of the future directions. This year's theme was on wearables. 14:30:41 Next WFA will be in Montreal. Conf theme and call for papers have yet to be announced. 14:31:26 Shadi: Did not attend but reviewed papers. Interested in discussing wearables and whether we should break out wearables from Web of Things. 14:31:48 Vivienne: maybe good to link to the W4A papers from our research topics. 14:32:44 -Yehya 14:32:44 goodnight 14:32:45 -Jason 14:32:47 -mhakkinen 14:32:48 -shadi 14:32:51 -Janina 14:32:52 -Vivienne 14:32:53 WAI_RDWG()9:30AM has ended 14:32:53 Attendees were +1.609.759.aaaa, shadi, Vivienne, +1.609.734.aabb, Jason, mhakkinen, Janina, annika, Yehya 14:33:42 trackbot, end meeting 14:33:42 Zakim, list attendees 14:33:42 sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is 14:33:50 RRSAgent, please draft minutes 14:33:50 I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/03-rd-minutes.html trackbot 14:33:51 RRSAgent, bye 14:33:51 I see no action items