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14:17:48 <Kenny> trackbot, start meeting
14:17:50 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
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14:17:52 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:17:52 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 43 minutes
14:17:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:17:53 <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2015
14:18:01 <Kenny> zakim, agenda?
14:18:01 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
14:18:41 <Kenny> agenda+  New /TR Style Sheet Update 2016.  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/TRUpdate2016/
14:19:28 <Kenny> agenda+  Continue review of Post-WCAG 2 issues - from row 13/14     https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2_Issues_Sorted
14:19:56 <Kenny> agenda+   Discussion on Summer Schedule for working group
14:20:23 <Kenny> agenda+ Walk through of current Github Issues and Comments. https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues
14:20:55 <Kenny> regrets+ Jonathan_Avila
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14:58:28 <Joshue> trackbot, start meeting
14:58:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs public
14:58:32 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be WAI_WCAG
14:58:32 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see WAI_WCAG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 2 minutes
14:58:33 <trackbot> Meeting: Web Content Accessibility Guidelines Working Group Teleconference
14:58:33 <trackbot> Date: 02 June 2015
14:58:38 <Joshue> agenda?
14:58:51 <Joshue> agenda+ Quickref update
15:00:26 <Joshue> Chair: Joshue
15:00:45 <Joshue> Scribelist: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Scribe_List
15:01:00 <Joshue> present+ Joshue
15:01:53 <yatil> yatil has changed the topic to: WebEx phone bridge: https://mit.webex.com/mit/j.php?MTID=m064eab3e5485b640231a7fe56dc4785c
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15:02:25 <yatil> present+ EricE
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15:04:39 <Makoto> present+ Makoto
15:04:39 <laura> : present+ Laura
15:04:42 <marcjohlic> present+ marcjohlic
15:04:51 <Louis_Cheng> present+ Louis
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15:04:56 <Kathy> present+ Kathy
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15:06:38 <yatil> s/: present+ Laura/present+ Laura/
15:06:40 <David> Present+ David MacDonald
15:06:59 <Joshue> Scribenick: Louis Cheng
15:07:14 <yatil> s/Scribenick: Louis Cheng/Scribenick: Louis_Cheng/
15:09:05 <yatil> agenda?
15:10:00 <Louis_Cheng> zakim, next item
15:10:00 <Zakim> agendum 1. "New /TR Style Sheet Update 2016.  https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/TRUpdate2016/" taken up [from Kenny]
15:11:17 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/TRUpdate2016/
15:12:26 <Louis_Cheng> MC: survey is meant to be one response per working group. most important thing we need to look at is what we want to have not broken.
15:13:45 <Joshue> q?
15:14:04 <Louis_Cheng> zakim, next item
15:14:04 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continue review of Post-WCAG 2 issues - from row 13/14     https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2_Issues_Sorted" taken up [from Kenny]
15:15:46 <MichaelC> zakim, close this item
15:15:46 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
15:15:47 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:15:47 <Zakim> 3. Discussion on Summer Schedule for working group [from Kenny]
15:16:00 <Louis_Cheng> zakim, take up item 5
15:16:00 <Zakim> agendum 5. "Quickref update" taken up [from Joshue]
15:17:42 <Joshue> q?
15:17:42 <yatil> http://w3c.github.io/wai-wcag-quickref/
15:19:34 <MichaelC> q+
15:20:35 <David> q+
15:21:13 <Louis_Cheng> EE: Will update the group on quickref with changes via email. Main type of input needed from working group will be asked after next round of usability tests and will need text, success criteria, and techniques.
15:21:40 <MichaelC> q+ to ask about WG usability testing
15:21:45 <MichaelC> q+ to ask about source of tags
15:22:13 <Joshue> ack mich
15:22:13 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to ask about WG usability testing and to ask about source of tags
15:22:15 <Louis_Cheng> EE: Usability tests will take place in the next couple of weeks
15:22:18 <MichaelC> ack me
15:23:00 <Louis_Cheng> MC: Can we do usability tests with working group?
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15:23:49 <Louis_Cheng> EE: There will not be formal usability tests with the working group. Something will be sent out next week for review - won't be a formal usability test.
15:24:29 <Louis_Cheng> MC: There will be value with usability testing with the working group for more comprehensive review.
15:25:28 <Louis_Cheng> EE: We can do a usability test with the working group.
15:27:00 <Joshue> Eric will make the test script etc available via the wiki
15:27:11 <Joshue> q?
15:27:13 <Joshue> ack david
15:28:05 <Louis_Cheng> EE: In response to DM's question, color contrast should be passing, but will check. In the end, everything will be meeting contrast and keyboard accessible.
15:28:37 <Louis_Cheng> EE: There's a bug with the keyboard navigation that will be looked into.
15:29:09 <Louis_Cheng> zakim, close this item
15:29:09 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
15:29:10 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
15:29:10 <Zakim> 3. Discussion on Summer Schedule for working group [from Kenny]
15:29:32 <Louis_Cheng> zakim, take up item 3
15:29:32 <Zakim> agendum 3. "Discussion on Summer Schedule for working group" taken up [from Kenny]
15:30:18 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/WCAGsummer2015/
15:31:33 <Louis_Cheng> JOC: Review the survey and indicate your availability during the summer
15:31:36 <Joshue> zakim, agenda?
15:31:36 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda:
15:31:37 <Zakim> 3. Discussion on Summer Schedule for working group [from Kenny]
15:31:37 <Zakim> 4. Walk through of current Github Issues and Comments. https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues [from Kenny]
15:31:49 <Joshue> zakim, take up item 2
15:31:49 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Continue review of Post-WCAG 2 issues - from row 13/14     https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2_Issues_Sorted" taken up [from Kenny]
15:32:09 <MichaelC> zakim, close item 3
15:32:09 <Zakim> agendum 3, Discussion on Summer Schedule for working group, closed
15:32:10 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
15:32:10 <Zakim> 4. Walk through of current Github Issues and Comments. https://github.com/w3c/wcag/issues [from Kenny]
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15:33:31 <Mike_Elledge> q+
15:34:08 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
15:34:08 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/02-wai-wcag-minutes.html jamesn
15:34:27 <Mike_Elledge> q+
15:36:51 <MichaelC> ack m
15:37:34 <Joshue> +353
15:40:02 <Joshue> q?
15:40:06 <Louis_Cheng> JOC: Another survey will come up out for summer schedule after July.
15:40:29 <MichaelC> s/+353//
15:40:34 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Post_WCAG_2_Issues_Sorted
15:44:00 <Joshue> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Captcha_Alternatives_and_thoughts
15:44:07 <jamesn> present+ James_Nurthen
15:44:36 <Joshue> q?
15:45:06 <MichaelC> q+ to mention PF work
15:46:22 <jamesn> I'd like to see reCAPATCHA and reCAPTCHA reboot split in this table
15:46:31 <Joshue> +1 to James
15:48:05 <MichaelC> ack me
15:48:05 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to mention PF work
15:48:06 <Joshue> ack mich
15:48:48 <Joshue> q?
15:48:49 <Louis_Cheng> MC: Suggest splitting reCAPTCHA and reCAPTCHA reboot in this doc - https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/wiki/Captcha_Alternatives_and_thoughts
15:48:58 <MichaelC> -> http://www.w3.org/TR/credential-management-1/ Credential Management Level 1
15:51:12 <Joshue> q?
15:51:26 <Louis_Cheng> JN: Row 14 - suggest putting a lower contrast ratio at the A level
15:52:43 <MichaelC> q+
15:54:03 <jamesn> q+
15:54:30 <MichaelC> ack me
15:54:41 <David> q+
15:55:00 <Louis_Cheng> MC: There was not contrast requirement at the A level since it doesn't have requirements that can be managed with "machine help." If we change, we need to explain why this approach would be different.
15:55:44 <Joshue> ack james
15:56:29 <Joshue> ack david
15:56:46 <Louis_Cheng> JN: We may not want to fail on things like white on white text since that could be a technique to hide text.
15:58:44 <Joshue> q?
15:59:29 <Mike_Elledge> q+
15:59:43 <Louis_Cheng> JOC: We could consider adding a new success criteria with a lower threshold for color contrast in level A
16:00:57 <Mike_Elledge> q-
16:01:17 <Joshue> q?
16:01:57 <Louis_Cheng> MJ: Color contrast of an icon - it may be more important to address contrast of icon against the background, rather than the colors within the icon.
16:03:25 <David> For icons that have text WCAG currently applies like a "F" for facebook
16:03:29 <jamesn> q+ to say I think this would be really hard to measure - what if an icon has multiple colours? How many of the colours need to meet whatever ratio in order to work?
16:04:40 <jamesn> what is sufficient? We need to be careful not to require too high a contrast ratio
16:05:08 <jamesn> it need not be as high as it is for text only as recognizing an icon does not require as high a ratio as reading text
16:05:37 <Joshue> ack james
16:05:37 <Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to say I think this would be really hard to measure - what if an icon has multiple colours? How many of the colours need to meet whatever ratio in order to work?
16:05:41 <Louis_Cheng> Kathy: Icon contrast issue can be added to mobile group, but it's not related to mobile only. On desktop, there are lots of sites that use only icons w/o text description so this issues applies to all platforms.
16:06:46 <Joshue> q?
16:06:48 <Joshue> q+
16:06:53 <Joshue> ack me
16:07:08 <Louis_Cheng> JN: It's hard to measure the color contrast ratio for icon. For example, where there are multiple colors in an icon. We may need some sort of percentage of pixels passing w/in the icon.
16:07:11 <David> q+
16:07:49 <Louis_Cheng> JOC: Color is not the only issue for icon. Affordance is also important for the icon.
16:07:57 <Joshue> ack dav
16:07:59 <marcjohlic> q+
16:09:34 <Joshue> ack marc
16:09:49 <Louis_Cheng> DM: Proliferation of icons and icon fonts - we should specifically address this, even possibly with failures in current WCAG (not that you're using an icon font, but that you have alternatives).
16:11:23 <Louis_Cheng> MJ: Row 16 - may want to make a distinction between single color icon (against the background) vs multi color icon (colors w/in the icon)
16:12:20 <Joshue> q?
16:12:48 <David> +1
16:13:41 <David> q+
16:15:19 <Makoto> +1 to James
16:15:23 <Joshue> ack david
16:17:02 <Louis_Cheng> DM: Captioning is in the language of the video. If you're translating the captions of a video, that's subtitling. This is based off a discussion with a hearing organization.
16:20:36 <David> 2.4.6 failure
16:23:59 <David> q+
16:24:17 <Joshue> ack david
16:25:46 <Joshue> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:25:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/02-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue
16:26:54 <Joshue> Continue from Row 17, Row 21 complete
16:28:34 <Louis_Cheng> Laura: Row 21 - there could be off-screen headings that are marked up as headings, but not doesn't appear as headings visually. An example is for navigation.
16:28:39 <Joshue> q?
16:29:41 <Joshue> rssagent, make minutes
16:29:53 <laura> bye
16:29:55 <Mike_Elledge> Bye all!
16:29:57 <Joshue> rrsagent, make minutes
16:29:57 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/02-wai-wcag-minutes.html Joshue
16:31:06 <Makoto> bye!