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13:56:16 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
13:56:16 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 4 minutes
13:56:17 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:56:17 <trackbot> Date: 01 June 2015
13:56:51 <Arnaud> as far as I know, we don't have a webex reservation yet
13:57:02 <Arnaud> so we're sticking to zakim at least for today
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13:57:34 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
13:57:41 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
13:57:53 <codyb> Zakim, IPcaller is me.
13:57:53 <Zakim> +codyb; got it
13:59:05 <Zakim> +deiu
13:59:18 <pchampin> pchampin has joined #ldp
14:00:21 <Ashok> Ashok has joined #ldp
14:00:23 <Zakim> +Arnaud
14:01:08 <MiguelAraCo> Zakim, I'm with codyb
14:01:08 <Zakim> +MiguelAraCo; got it
14:01:23 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
14:01:34 <TallTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
14:01:35 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
14:01:39 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
14:01:39 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
14:02:22 <Zakim> + +33.6.66.52.aaaa
14:02:27 <Zakim> +Ashok_Malhotra
14:02:32 <Zakim> + +33.6.43.93.aabb
14:02:51 <roger_> roger_ has joined #ldp
14:03:32 <Zakim> +Roger
14:03:41 <Arnaud> zakim, aaaa is pchampin
14:03:41 <Zakim> sorry, Arnaud, I do not recognize a party named 'aaaa'
14:04:13 <Arnaud> zakim, aabb bblfish
14:04:13 <Zakim> I don't understand 'aabb bblfish', Arnaud
14:04:25 <Arnaud> zakim, aabb is bblfish
14:04:25 <Zakim> +bblfish; got it
14:04:39 <Arnaud> zakim, who's on the phone?
14:04:39 <Zakim> On the phone I see codyb, deiu, Arnaud, TallTed (muted), pchampin, Ashok_Malhotra, bblfish, Roger
14:04:41 <Zakim> codyb has MiguelAraCo
14:04:58 <Zakim> -bblfish
14:05:22 <deiu> scribenick: deiu
14:05:29 <Zakim> +bblfish
14:05:45 <deiu> Topic: approval of last call minutes
14:05:47 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 5 May teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-05-11
14:05:55 <deiu> Arnaud: any objections?
14:06:04 <codyb> Zakim, MiguelAraCo is with me.
14:06:04 <Zakim> MiguelAraCo was already listed in codyb, codyb
14:06:09 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: Approve the minutes of the 5 May teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-05-11
14:06:27 <deiu> Arnaud: we can meet again in 2 weeks, June 16th
14:06:36 <deiu> Topic: Actions
14:06:48 <deiu> Arnaud: we have two open actions
14:07:02 <deiu> ...we can close Action-161, Andrei has done that
14:07:23 <deiu> ...and then Action-162 will remain pending until Rob sends us an update
14:07:36 <Zakim> +ericP
14:07:56 <deiu> Arnaud: is there any progress we should be aware re. paging?
14:08:12 <deiu> ...if not, then we'll proceed with publishing Paging as a WG note
14:08:34 <deiu> ericP: do we have to do some "status of the document" to make it consistent?
14:09:16 <deiu> Arnaud: we have lost the main editors of that spec, so someone needs to step up and work on it
14:09:28 <deiu> ...Ashok is the last editor
14:10:11 <deiu> ...basically wrapping up the document and adding a note that says the doc is no longer on the REC track and it will be published as a note
14:10:23 <deiu> Ashok: OK, I'll do that
14:10:44 <deiu> ericP: the abstract and the intro need to be consistent with a note format
14:10:58 <deiu> s/a note/the note
14:11:04 <deiu> Topic: LD Patch format
14:11:31 <deiu> Arnaud: pchampin said the test suite is complete, are we getting any implementation reports?
14:11:45 <deiu> pchampin: I didn't get any response to my mail
14:12:02 <deiu> Arnaud: are we going to fail to meet the exit criteria for that too?
14:12:15 <deiu> pchampin: betehess has an implementation he needs to report on
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14:13:14 <deiu> Arnaud: officially the WG expires at the end of July, and since W3C now has stricter rules, we won't be able to publish anything if the WG expires
14:16:00 <deiu> [people counting implementations]
14:16:23 <deiu> deiu: we have one report from pchampin and one pending report from betehess
14:16:38 <deiu> Arnaud: the report page is empty by the way
14:16:48 <pchampin> http://pchampin.github.io/ld-patch-testsuite/impl-report.html
14:18:25 <deiu> Arnaud: so this leads us to LDP Next
14:18:35 <deiu> Topic: LDP Next
14:18:56 <deiu> Arnaud: we'll be able to still communicate in the transition period
14:19:11 <deiu> ...we may have to use WebEx starting with the next call
14:19:27 <deiu> ...we'll only use it for voice, with text going on in the IRC channel
14:19:48 <deiu> ...the existing charter goes on to end of July
14:20:10 <deiu> ...to recharter there's a 4 week period (for AC review) and we need to make sure that W3M is up for it in the first place
14:20:28 <deiu> ...if we don't want to have any disruption, then the deadline is the same (2 weeks from now)
14:20:44 <deiu> ...otherwise the WG will officially expire and we won't be able to publish anything
14:21:01 <deiu> ...and rechartering it will take longer
14:21:37 <deiu> ...by the way, the rechartering requires that all the members are asked for their opinion
14:21:59 <deiu> ...the used to be no specific criteria for going through, but now need a % of members to support the proposal
14:22:11 <deiu> ericP: I think it's 20% of members
14:22:33 <deiu> Arnaud: we will have to do a little bit of lobbying outside the group
14:23:12 <Ashok> He said 20 members ... I think it's 15 percent
14:23:21 <deiu> ...I can tell you that at IBM, I get calls from people to support certain groups
14:24:14 <deiu> ...deiu took the action to edit the new charter and post on the mailing list (which he did, albeit a bit late) and then we didn't get any comments
14:24:19 <deiu> ...so what's the problem?
14:24:36 <deiu> ...are people still interested or not?
14:25:02 <deiu> Ashok: I think it looked good, modulo a minor editorial issue
14:25:08 <deiu> deiu: which got fixed
14:25:12 <deiu> Arnaud: any other comments?
14:25:32 <codyb> We're happy with the charter.
14:25:49 <deiu> ...we still need to get people to say they are at least OK with it
14:26:22 <deiu> Ashok: I would personally like a little more enthusiasm, with people showing more interest in the group
14:26:52 <deiu> ericP: we need to lean on outside people, so they can lean on us
14:26:56 <Ashok> q+
14:27:04 <deiu> ...we need them to be interested
14:27:23 <deiu> ...what about emailing the people on the attendance list?
14:27:56 <deiu> Arnaud: I would maybe suggest sending an email pointing to the new charter and asking if they're OK with it.
14:28:17 <deiu> ...so who would like to do this?
14:28:21 <TallTed> "We revised our draft Charter based on our meetup.  Does the new draft fit your wishes?  Can/Will/Might you participate in new WG?"
14:28:31 <deiu> Ashok: if we're OK with the charter, I can do it
14:28:36 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
14:28:50 <deiu> Arnaud: so among the people present today, is everyone happy with the charter?
14:28:59 <Ashok> q+
14:29:00 <codyb> +1 (happy)
14:29:06 <deiu> bblfish: I am happy with it
14:29:25 <Arnaud> ack Ashok
14:30:01 <deiu> Ashok: at the AC meeting I was approached by philA, and he mentioned access control
14:30:16 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
14:30:16 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
14:30:43 <deiu> bblfish: yes, so without ACLs, you don't really have a distributed system
14:30:58 <deiu> TallTed: ACLs are always an afterthought
14:32:26 <deiu> ericP: should the notion of search be related to the HTTP search proposal?
14:32:38 <deiu> Arnaud: it might, but I don't think the charter needs to do that
14:32:57 <deiu> ...we could use it as a possible solution
14:33:28 <roger_> charter is looking promising from my perspective, but, I need to spend a bit more time with it
14:34:09 <Ashok> Roger, please comment soon
14:35:41 <deiu> deiu: it would be nice if people would comment on the charter before getting on the call
14:36:24 <deiu> TallTed: I don't think we should delete anything from the technical issues, nor from the deliverables
14:38:03 <deiu> Arnaud: people should make their proposals on the list, and deiu (as acting editor) will work with them
14:40:33 <deiu> Arnaud: if we don't have all the required implementation reports in the next 2 weeks, we will publish LD Patch as a note
14:41:19 <deiu> bblfish: I would like to discuss a bit on HTTP SEARCH
14:42:40 <deiu> Ashok: I'm not sure how to proceed w.r.t. IETF process
14:44:51 <deiu> Arnaud: you should talk to Mark Nottingham who chairs the HTTP WG
14:45:18 <deiu> Ashok: I can't go to their meeting in Prague, but one of our guys can
14:45:27 <ericP> q+
14:45:37 <codyb> q+
14:45:40 <deiu> Arnaud: I think the way to do it is to contact Mark and ask him how to proceed
14:46:13 <Arnaud> ack ericP
14:46:37 <deiu> ericP: people on the HTTP WG are there to preserve the status quo
14:46:57 <deiu> ...the challenge is to get other people to show up and say they are excited about this
14:47:22 <deiu> ...we need to get people on the mailing group and get the chair enthusiastic about it too
14:47:26 <Arnaud> ack codyb
14:47:58 <deiu> codyb: the pushback from Roy Fielding, was this on the mailing list? Does anyone have pointers?
14:48:04 <deiu> Ashok: yes, I can point you to the email
14:48:45 <Ashok> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/
14:48:46 <ericP> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/ietf-http-wg/2015AprJun/0248.html
14:48:52 <deiu> bblfish: the worry is that if you have a search endpoint, you're only going to go through that endpoint, instead of using the resource URIs
14:49:38 <codyb> q-
14:52:03 <deiu> deiu: I would suggest we move this discussion on the mailing list
14:55:00 <deiu> Arnaud: we should discuss on the LDP mailing list until we have a unified point of view, and then move to the IETF mailing list
14:55:08 <deiu> ...we don't want to appear divided
14:55:56 <deiu> ...I want to remind everyone that the important things to consider right now are the charter and LD Patch -- we want to freeze these within the next 2 weeks
14:56:08 <Zakim> -Ashok_Malhotra
14:56:10 <Zakim> -codyb
14:56:11 <Zakim> -Roger
14:56:12 <Zakim> -bblfish
14:56:13 <deiu> [call adjourned]
14:56:13 <Zakim> -pchampin
14:56:14 <Zakim> -TallTed
14:56:15 <Zakim> -Arnaud
14:56:18 <Zakim> -ericP
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14:56:20 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has ended
14:56:20 <Zakim> Attendees were codyb, deiu, Arnaud, MiguelAraCo, TallTed, +33.6.66.52.aaaa, Ashok_Malhotra, pchampin, +33.6.43.93.aabb, Roger, bblfish, ericP
14:56:47 <Arnaud> btw, I recommend people express explicit support for the charter by sending an email to the list
14:56:53 <Arnaud> rather than being silent
14:57:12 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
14:57:12 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:57:12 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
14:57:20 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:57:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/06/01-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
14:57:21 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:57:21 <RRSAgent> I see no action items