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14:00:31 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
14:00:32 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
14:00:32 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2015/05/27-agenda
14:00:32 <Norm> Date: 27 May 2015
14:00:32 <Norm> Meeting: 271
14:00:34 <Norm> Chair: Norm
14:00:36 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
14:00:38 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
14:00:52 <Norm> zakim, passcode?
14:00:52 <Zakim> sorry, Norm, I don't know what conference this is
14:00:55 <Norm> zakim, this will be xproc
14:00:55 <Zakim> I do not see a conference matching that name scheduled within the next hour, Norm
14:01:04 <Norm> zakim, list conferences
14:01:04 <Zakim> I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM, Team_SysWeb()10:00AM active and no others scheduled to start in the next 15 minutes
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14:01:27 <Norm> Huh.
14:01:38 <Norm> I guess we've been pulled off poor Zakim's dying frame
14:02:03 <ht> yes, xproc# doesn't work
14:02:04 <ht> :-(
14:02:11 <ht> Liam, any ideas?
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14:03:19 <Norm> zakim, list conferences
14:03:19 <Zakim> I see IA_Fonts()10:00AM, Team_SysWeb()10:00AM, XML_PMWG()10:00AM active and no others scheduled to start in the next 15 minutes
14:03:26 <Norm> zakim, this is xproc
14:03:26 <Zakim> sorry, Norm, I do not see a conference named 'xproc' in progress or scheduled at this time
14:03:32 <Norm> zakim, this is xml_pmwg
14:03:32 <Zakim> ok, Norm; that matches XML_PMWG()10:00AM
14:03:37 <Norm> Also, Zakim, FU.
14:03:40 <Norm> zakim, who's here?
14:03:40 <Zakim> On the phone I see +1.512.761.aaaa, +226256aabb, Alex_Milows
14:03:42 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, alexmilowski, Norm, ht, liam
14:03:45 <Norm> zakim, aaaa is Norm
14:03:45 <Zakim> +Norm; got it
14:03:48 <Norm> zakim, aabb is Murray
14:03:48 <Zakim> +Murray; got it
14:03:53 <Norm> zakim, who's here?
14:03:53 <Zakim> On the phone I see Norm, Murray, Alex_Milows
14:03:55 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, alexmilowski, Norm, ht, liam
14:04:02 <Norm> Regrets: Jim
14:04:22 <Zakim> +??P15
14:05:17 <Norm> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
14:05:17 <Norm> Meeting: XML Processing Model WG
14:05:17 <Norm> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2015/05/27-agenda
14:05:17 <Norm> Date: 27 May 2015
14:05:18 <Norm> Meeting: 271
14:05:18 <Norm> Chair: Norm
14:05:20 <Norm> Scribe: Norm
14:05:22 <Norm> ScribeNick: Norm
14:05:43 <Norm> Topic: Accept this agenda?
14:05:43 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2015/05/27-agenda
14:06:26 <Norm> Accepted.
14:06:31 <Norm> Topic: Accept minutes from the previous meeting?
14:06:31 <Norm> -> http://www.w3.org/XML/XProc/2015/04/29-minutes
14:06:38 <Norm> Accepted.
14:06:46 <Norm> Topic: Plan for the face-to-face
14:07:08 <Norm> -> https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues
14:07:41 <Norm> Roughly: I think Wednesday morning for agenda planning; some mixture of discussion and drafting.
14:08:08 <Norm> Henry reports he's unavailable from 13:00-14:30 on Wednesday 10 June.
14:09:00 <Norm> Norm: What time do we want to start?
14:09:13 <Norm> Henry: Doors open at 8:30.
14:09:26 <Norm> Norm: I propose we start at 9:00.
14:10:16 <ht> I propose we convene at the Police Box coffee kiosk, some 50 metres or so West of the front door, as they have good coffee. . .
14:14:03 <Norm> Alex: Some of the issues are nicely compartmentalized; others are central to a better draft. We should try to organize that list a little better.
14:14:38 <Norm> Norm: Perhaps we should divide the actions per spec to keep the step actions apart from the language actions.
14:15:26 <Norm> Topic: Next meeting
14:15:43 <Norm> Regrets from Norm and Henry for 3 June; next meeting is the face-to-face, 9:00a on Wednesday 10 June.
14:16:55 <Norm> Topic: How to deal with local filesystem encodings, issue #159
14:16:59 <Norm> -> https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/159
14:18:05 <ht> Sigh
14:18:21 <Norm> Norm waffles about reading text files in known encodings from the filesystem; it's another crack between http-request and the filesystem.
14:18:26 <Norm> Alex: We could add a property.
14:18:27 <ht> Call it file-media-type
14:18:44 <Norm> Norm: Where would you add the property?
14:19:03 <Norm> Alex: The request.
14:19:05 <ht> my mistake
14:19:29 <Norm> Norm: Oh, ok, on the request not a document property in the "document properties" sense.
14:19:52 <alexmilowski> text/plain; encoding=ascii
14:19:54 <Norm> Alex: Or we could add the encoding to the override-content-type as a parameter.
14:19:59 <ht> That is definitely a good way to do it
14:20:08 <Norm> Norm: Yes, if you know the encoding you probably no the content-type.
14:20:52 <Norm> Alex: We could spec it..."If you specify the encoding and it's not provided by the system, then that's the encoding used..."
14:21:17 <ht> q+ to note the different semantics, however. . .
14:21:21 <Norm> ACTION: Norm to spec the encoding parameter on override-content-type as a way to specify the encoding of documents.
14:21:30 <ht> ack ht
14:21:30 <Zakim> ht, you wanted to note the different semantics, however. . .
14:21:58 <Norm> Henry: Well, we spoke of this in terms of only applying when the encoding wasn't provided.
14:22:15 <Norm> Norm: True.
14:22:32 <Norm> Henry: I think the server content type is more likely to be correct.
14:23:17 <Norm> Norm mutters on about whether overriding the encoding from HTTP makes sense.
14:23:45 <ht> s/server content type/server encoding/
14:24:22 <Norm> Norm: Perhaps we should document it as an override, use with care.
14:24:52 <Norm> Topic: Shortcut attribute to define properties, issue #146
14:24:56 <Norm> -> https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/146
14:25:51 <Norm> Norm: Aside from the microparsing of the attribute value, I'm sympathetic.
14:25:57 <Norm> Alex: We could add attribute sets
14:26:06 <Norm> Henry: That's just as complicated as using p:set-properties
14:26:20 <Norm> ...It's premature optimization
14:26:29 <Norm> Norm: Defer until we have more experience?
14:26:43 <Norm> Alex: Are there certain properties that we want to be able to set universally?
14:26:46 <Norm> ...Like content-type.
14:28:08 <Norm> Topic: Recurse directory on p:load, issue #156
14:28:12 <Norm> -> https://github.com/xproc/specification/issues/156
14:28:50 <Norm> Norm: I have reservations.
14:28:59 <Norm> Alex: I'd like to see the pipeline that does this with directory listing.
14:29:26 <Norm> ...And see how that would be simplified by this change. Maybe there are other things we can do to make this simpler.
14:30:05 <Norm> ...I think it's a good problem. I think we should look at the pipeline instead of adding a feature to load now.
14:30:42 <Norm> Norm: I just don't have to do this very often.
14:30:48 <Norm> Alex: You do this with ebooks all the time.
14:30:52 <Norm> Norm: Ah, true.
14:31:04 <Norm> Alex: A few good examples would help us understand the problem better.
14:31:29 <Norm> Topic: Any other business
14:31:50 <Norm> Alex: Can we take this to the list and have a conversation about agendas there.
14:32:09 <Norm> Norm: I'd be happy to have some help.
14:32:22 <Norm> Alex: Start with dividing the issue list into two sets and add priorities.
14:33:16 <Norm> Norm: Ok. Modulo the fact that there isn't complete parity between the action list and the issue list.
14:33:47 <Norm> Adjourned.
14:33:51 <Zakim> -Murray
14:33:52 <Zakim> -Norm
14:33:53 <Zakim> -Alex_Milows
14:33:54 <Zakim> -ht
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14:33:54 <Zakim> Attendees were +1.512.761.aaaa, +226256aabb, Alex_Milows, Norm, Murray, ht
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14:34:04 <Norm> rrsagent, draft minutes
14:34:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/27-xproc-minutes.html Norm
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