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14:57:28 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 63342
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14:57:29 <trackbot> Meeting: HTML Media Task Force Teleconference
14:57:29 <trackbot> Date: 19 May 2015
14:57:57 <paulc> Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015May/0042.html
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14:59:46 <paulc> Chair: paulc
14:59:51 <paulc> Scribenick: paulc
15:00:01 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
15:00:55 <paulc> zakim, what is the code?
15:00:55 <Zakim> the conference code is 63342 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), paulc
15:01:32 <markw__> Zakim, [IPcaller] is me
15:01:32 <Zakim> +markw__; got it
15:02:02 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:02:10 <paulc> zakim, [Microsoft] is me
15:02:10 <Zakim> +paulc; got it
15:02:20 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
15:02:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-html-media-minutes.html paulc
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15:05:21 <paulc> Topic: ACTION-88: Check on whether the proposed generic license request/response protocol is in scope of the current html wg charter
15:05:35 <paulc> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-media/2015May/0017.html
15:06:45 <paulc> paulc: Paul spoke to plh about the proposed generic license request/response protocol and plh felt it was NOT in scope for the HTML WG and thus NOT is scope for the TF
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15:07:09 <paulc> paulc: Mark then counterproposed splitting the work as per 0017.html
15:07:27 <Zakim> +[Microsoft]
15:07:36 <paulc> plh: 2 items to distinguish:  a) technical work b) how to fit it in W3C
15:07:56 <paulc> ... on the first item plh encourages the TF to continue the technical work
15:07:59 <plh> http://www.w3.org/2013/09/html-charter.html
15:08:00 <plh> [[
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15:08:08 <plh> continue the development of APIs for interacting with in-memory representations of resources that use the HTML language, as well as extensions to those APIs ]
15:08:10 <paulc> ... on the second part two items determine what is in scope
15:08:19 <plh> [[
15:08:22 <paulc> ... see above quote
15:08:41 <plh> [[
15:08:42 <plh> additions to the HTMLMediaElement element interface, to support use cases such as live events or premium content
15:08:43 <plh> ]]
15:08:54 <paulc> ... and there is a second part of the charter which mentions work on extensions to the HTMLMediaElement interface
15:09:05 <paulc> ... see above quote
15:09:26 <Zakim> + +1.303.661.aaaa
15:09:26 <paulc> plh: I have a hard time squeezing the proposed work into either of the above items
15:09:35 <markw__> q+
15:09:39 <BobLund> zakim, aaaa is me
15:09:39 <Zakim> +BobLund; got it
15:09:55 <paulc> ... but if we cannot fit it in currently then we have to figure out how to do the work in W3C
15:09:57 <paulc> ack markw
15:10:37 <paulc> markw:  This new work in support for the work of playback of "premium content"
15:10:47 <paulc> ... the connection is tenuous
15:11:37 <paulc> markw:  If our existing work falls under the two scope items since they fall under the playback of premium content then maybe this work does too
15:12:12 <paulc> plh: There might be a patent policy complaint here since the "lawyers" might say we are expanding the scope to something new
15:13:02 <paulc> markw:  The charter appears to be much broader than the existing EME and MSE work or the work at the state when the charter was updated to describe the EME and MSE work at that time
15:13:29 <paulc> plh:  I agree the charter is somewhat broader in the statement of work
15:13:43 <paulc> ... If the TF wants to work on this then plh suggests we go ahead
15:14:03 <paulc> markw:  Would it help to keep the work separated in another document?
15:14:34 <paulc> plh:  The good news is that there is discussion going on to create a Media WG and we might very well have a new charter later this year
15:14:45 <paulc> ... maybe at that time we would be more specific
15:15:03 <paulc> ... maybe it will be murky for several months and then will get clarified
15:15:24 <markw__> Sounds good to me
15:15:33 <paulc> ... we definitely will not finish even the existing work and will defintiely will need another charter even to cover that existing MSE and EME work
15:16:45 <paulc> paulc: The F2F meeting suggested that it would be good to have CDMs involved in this new work.
15:17:11 <paulc> paulc:  It might be that this is when we would have the "lawyers" involved and questioning the broadening scope
15:17:35 <paulc> plh:  Yes, and if we need a new charter earlier to handle that then this is a possibility as well.
15:18:05 <paulc> paulc:  paulc: did plh have any thoughts about splitting the work as per 0017.html
15:18:49 <paulc> plh: The phase 1 proposed by Mark makes sense given what is in EME.  What is the difference between Mark's proposed phase 1 and phase 2?
15:19:18 <paulc> mark2: My proposal was based on speculationg of the rationale for the material being out of scope.
15:19:51 <paulc> ... I will trying to keep the "dragons" into Phase 2
15:20:17 <paulc> plh: I think it makes sense to work on both parts if we are going to do the work in the TF
15:20:50 <paulc> paulc: Chair:  To summarize then plh recommends that we continue to do the technical work
15:21:11 <paulc> plh: And we can consider this based on the protocol that is in the EME spec already.
15:22:51 <Zakim> -Plh
15:23:11 <paulc> Topic: Issue 56 - Examples incorrectly use single quotes for codecs
15:23:22 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/56
15:23:58 <paulc> Editorial and on the "to be implemented list"
15:24:42 <paulc> Topic: Issue 57 - Clarify behavior for denied user consent
15:24:53 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/57
15:25:48 <paulc> Related to Issue-51
15:25:58 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/51
15:26:57 <paulc> markw:  My response may have not been on target and I will need to make another response
15:26:58 <ddorwin> q+
15:27:33 <paulc> ... Perhaps a lighter weight approach other than "user consent prompt" would be better
15:27:34 <markw__> s/another response/another issue/
15:27:36 <paulc> ack dd
15:28:09 <paulc> ddorwin:  Implementations can do what they want for security matters
15:28:39 <paulc> ... "prompt" only occurs 3 times in the EME document
15:28:55 <paulc> ... and it occurs in a case that we want to remove
15:29:22 <paulc> markw:  For cookies sites usually inform the user that cookies are being used
15:29:37 <paulc> ... it is the "recommendation" that I cannot remember us agreeing to
15:30:11 <paulc> markw;  I will raise another issue to focus on my concerns
15:33:28 <markw__> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/45
15:33:36 <paulc> Topic: Issue-45 - Remove "persistent-release-message" MediaKeySessionType
15:33:44 <paulc> https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/issues/45
15:34:28 <paulc> Pull request is in https://github.com/w3c/encrypted-media/pull/54
15:35:14 <paulc> ddorwin:  We are looking at implementation impact of pull request 54.  Did not have a chance to finish before today's meeting.
15:36:12 <paulc> jdsmith:  I will take a look as well before Jun 2 TF meeting
15:36:35 <paulc> Topic: Next meeting
15:36:45 <BobLund> q+
15:36:57 <paulc> The Media TF will discuss EME next on Tue Jun 2.  Next weeks meeting is on MSE.
15:37:04 <paulc> ack bob
15:38:23 <markw__> https://w3c.github.io/encrypted-media/#methods
15:38:23 <ddorwin> https://w3c.github.io/encrypted-media/#h-issue4
15:40:16 <BobLund> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/16-html-media-minutes.html#item02
15:40:33 <paulc> Topic:  Bug 26332 Secure origin requirement.
15:40:46 <paulc> See F2F discussion at http://www.w3.org/2015/04/16-html-media-minutes.html#item02
15:42:17 <ddorwin> "MarkVicksers:… what's being suggested is we put an issue box in the spec, and we (Comcast) will get in touch with WebAppSec WG about the "privileged context" which is more generic than saying HTTPS, etc."
15:42:46 <ddorwin> "paulc: … The earlier you (Comcast) get engaged with WebAppSec the better."
15:43:26 <paulc> ACTION on boblund to get in touch with WebAppSec WG about the "privileged context" which is more generic than saying HTTPS, etc."
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15:43:48 <paulc> ACTION: boblund to get in touch with WebAppSec WG about the "privileged context" which is more generic than saying HTTPS, etc."
15:43:48 <trackbot> Error finding 'boblund'. You can review and register nicknames at <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/media/track/users>.
15:44:27 <paulc> ACTION: paulc to get in touch with WebAppSec WG about the "privileged context" which is more generic than saying HTTPS, etc." (really on Bob Lund)
15:44:27 <trackbot> Created ACTION-93 - Get in touch with webappsec wg about the "privileged context" which is more generic than saying https, etc." (really on bob lund) [on Paul Cotton - due 2015-05-26].
15:45:09 <paulc> Meeting adjourned at 11:44 EDT.
15:45:15 <paulc> rrsagent, generate the minutes
15:45:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/19-html-media-minutes.html paulc
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