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13:35:21 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be DAP
13:35:21 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see UW_DAP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 25 minutes
13:35:22 <trackbot> Meeting: Device APIs Working Group Teleconference
13:35:22 <trackbot> Date: 14 May 2015
13:35:55 <fjh> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015May/0038.html
13:36:09 <fjh> fjh has changed the topic to: dap agenda https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015May/0038.html code 3279
13:36:30 <fjh> Regrets+ Dominique_Hazael-Massieux
13:36:47 <fjh> Chair: Frederick_Hirsch
13:36:55 <fjh> Present+ Frederick_Hirsch
13:37:32 <fjh> Topic: Welcome, scribe selection, agenda review, announcements
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13:57:58 <fjh> zakim, ipcaller is me
13:57:58 <Zakim> +fjh; got it
13:58:03 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
13:58:03 <Zakim> On the phone I see [IPcaller.a], fjh
13:58:05 <Zakim> On IRC I see Claes, fjh_, anssik, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mounir, richt, slightlyoff, tobie, Josh_Soref, trackbot
13:58:14 <fjh> zakim, IPcaller.a is anssi
13:58:14 <Zakim> +anssi; got it
13:58:35 <anssik> Present+ Anssi_Kostiainen
14:00:30 <Zakim> + +46.7.03.79.aaaa
14:00:48 <fjh> zakim, aaaa is Claes
14:00:48 <Zakim> +Claes; got it
14:00:58 <Claes> Present+ Claes_Nilsson
14:01:36 <tobie> I'm having a hard time joining the call. Please bear with me.
14:02:11 <fjh> zakim, code?
14:02:11 <Zakim> the conference code is 3279 (tel:+1.617.761.6200 sip:zakim@voip.w3.org), fjh
14:05:32 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:05:44 <tobie> [ is me
14:05:50 <tobie> Zakim, [ is me
14:05:50 <Zakim> +tobie; got it
14:06:14 <Zakim> -tobie
14:06:25 <tobie> arg
14:07:16 <fjh> Present+ Tobie_Langel
14:08:30 <fjh> ScribeNick: anssik
14:08:42 <anssik> TOPIC: Welcome, scribe selection, agenda review, announcements
14:08:58 <anssik> fjh: new members joined the group, welcome
14:09:00 <fjh> Welcome to new members
14:09:00 <fjh> Alexis, Intel https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Mar/0006.html
14:09:01 <fjh> Yong Ding, Huawei https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Apr/0026.html
14:09:02 <fjh> Tobie, Intel https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015May/0002.html
14:09:37 <fjh> anssi: alexis has been working on webkit, chromium, working on sensor prototypes
14:09:57 <fjh> anssik: is based in brussels may not be able to join calls
14:10:04 <fjh> s/anssi:/anssik:/
14:10:11 <anssik> s/brussels/Brazil/
14:10:21 <fjh> Media Capture and Streams" transitioned to Last Call.
14:10:29 <fjh> Feedback on /TR styles requested https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Apr/0036.html
14:10:45 <fjh> continuous change in the planning
14:10:59 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:11:06 <tobie> Zakim, [ is me
14:11:06 <Zakim> +tobie; got it
14:12:05 <anssik> TOPIC: Minutes approval
14:12:21 <fjh> Approve minutes from 5 March 2015
14:12:21 <anssik> Topic: Minutes approval
14:12:31 <fjh> proposed RESOLUTION: Minutes from 5 March 2015 are approved, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Mar/att-0003/minutes-2015-03-05.html
14:12:42 <anssik> RESOLUTION: Minutes from 5 March 2015 are approved, https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Mar/att-0003/minutes-2015-03-05.html
14:12:50 <anssik> Topic: Zakim to WebEx change
14:12:52 <fjh> Discuss change to WebEx and timing
14:12:53 <fjh> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015May/0037.html
14:13:41 <fjh> will use webex for voice only, not chat or screen sharing, will send info, plan to use it instead of zakim for next call
14:13:46 <anssik> Topic: Web Payments Use Cases
14:13:54 <fjh> Request for review before June 16:  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Apr/0038.html
14:14:17 <Claes> Would it be ok to take the topic "TCP/UDP Socket API to Community Group" now?
14:14:40 <anssik> Topic: TCP/UDP Socket API to Community Group
14:14:45 <fjh> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Apr/0000.html and https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Apr/0022.html
14:16:20 <anssik> from http://www.w3.org/2011/07/DeviceAPICharter: "... based on the current Web browser security model"
14:18:31 <fjh> I’ve reviewed this and the community group seems like a good approach for now, if the situation changes we can consider moving this into DAP if it makes sense
14:18:51 <fjh> Topic: Ambient Light
14:18:58 <fjh> Anssi msg to Microsoft team https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-device-apis/2015Apr/0028.html
14:19:17 <fjh> Adrian acknowledged
14:19:30 <fjh> Topic: Generic Sensor API
14:19:41 <fjh> issues: https://github.com/w3c/sensors/
14:20:19 <anssik> tobie: I was expecting people to contribute via GH issues
14:20:40 <anssik> ... I'm happy to go through the high level bits
14:20:59 <fjh> q+
14:21:03 <fjh> q-
14:21:07 <anssik> ... can work on a FPWD too
14:21:34 <anssik> ... we started working on the GH repo around Nov 2014
14:21:42 <anssik> ... a lot of activity within a week or so
14:21:57 <anssik> ... the high level goals
14:22:47 <anssik> ... has been working with Rick Waldron who contributed the initial spec blueprint
14:23:16 <anssik> ... that can be applied to specific sensors being worked on in this group
14:23:59 <fjh> q?
14:24:01 <anssik> ... issues: understand performance issues, how much the browser is aware of existing sensors
14:24:46 <anssik> q+
14:24:50 <fjh> q+
14:25:27 <anssik> ... would like to talk to implementers with regard the issues around performance in particular
14:25:32 <fjh> ack anssik
14:25:51 <fjh> anssik: should connect you with our browser people that work on chromium
14:26:23 <fjh> anssik: you need to reach out to Google
14:26:46 <fjh> anssik: ?? has implemented device orientation, motion
14:26:52 <fjh> anssik: also Mounir
14:27:16 <anssik> Tim Volodine is working on sensors in Chromium
14:27:32 <fjh> s/??/Tim Volodine/
14:27:50 <anssik> ... also Riju from Intel has implemented Ambient Light
14:28:19 <fjh> ScribeNick: fjh
14:28:29 <fjh> anssik: issues are performance and discovery
14:28:48 <fjh> tobie: need to know which sensors are available and what is cost, do it sync or async
14:29:08 <fjh> anssiK; not just entry point issue
14:29:27 <fjh> tobie: does presence of api imply that sensor exists?
14:29:31 <fjh> s/api/API/
14:30:04 <fjh> tobie: all same question, need to inderstand life cycle of sensor vs lifecycle of page
14:30:16 <fjh> s/inderstand/understand/
14:30:29 <fjh> tobie: main issue is knowing whether sensor is there or not
14:30:40 <fjh> anssik: generic sensor api designed from node.js perspectaive
14:30:49 <Claes> q+
14:30:52 <fjh> s/perspectaive/perspective/
14:31:12 <fjh> tobie: simple API vs performance
14:31:57 <fjh> ack Claes
14:32:37 <fjh> Claes: in web of things interest group, what is connection to that group
14:32:48 <tobie> q+ on IoT
14:32:48 <fjh> … using REST APIs
14:32:58 <fjh> ack tobie
14:32:58 <Zakim> tobie, you wanted to comment on IoT
14:33:27 <fjh> tobie: Raggett shared presentation with me from his Munich, will look at it
14:33:43 <fjh> s/Raggett/Dave Raggett dsr
14:35:06 <fjh> Claes: might help mapping concrete Javascript APIs to generic sensor apis
14:35:11 <fjh> tobie: can you please open github issue
14:35:14 <fjh> Claes: yes
14:36:01 <anssik> fjh: producing a draft spec sounds like a good next step
14:36:09 <Claes> Need to drop off now. Bye
14:36:14 <anssik> ... allows us to get feedback from people now on calls
14:36:36 <Zakim> -Claes
14:38:28 <fjh> will have calls as needed but expect much work will be async, on list
14:38:54 <fjh> tobie: expect ot have a draft end May
14:38:55 <anssik> tobie: targeting end of May for the draft spec
14:39:04 <fjh> s/tobie: expect ot have a draft end May//
14:39:21 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
14:39:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-dap-minutes.html fjh
14:39:59 <fjh> s/ [ is me//
14:40:06 <fjh> s/arg//
14:40:22 <fjh> s/I'm having a hard time joining the call. Please bear with me.//
14:41:05 <fjh> s/dsr/(dsr)/
14:42:06 <anssik> anssik: feedback from both Node/io.js and browser implementers would be very welcome early in the process
14:43:13 <fjh> anssik: tobie if you have list of issues related to performance I could share with our internal team
14:44:42 <Zakim> -tobie
14:44:45 <fjh> anssik: issue #9 re event targets is performance consideration
14:45:03 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
14:45:05 <fjh> … what are other issues on critical
14:46:21 <fjh> suggest you ask about issues on list anssik, tobie can answer on list
14:47:13 <fjh> Topic: Battery
14:47:18 <fjh> fjh: anything new?
14:47:50 <fjh> anssik: update from Intel QA re tests - looking at root cause for test failures, will report to the list
14:48:14 <fjh> … not sure if issue is with test harness or test cases, so need to look into it.
14:48:29 <fjh> … still pending mozilla implementation update as well, no apparent activity
14:54:49 <Zakim> -[IPcaller]
14:55:07 <fjh> I suggest that on a call we review github decisions and resolve them in conjunction with discussing the draft, thus avoiding a purely administrative discussion and linking with real work
14:55:12 <fjh> zakim, who is here?
14:55:12 <Zakim> On the phone I see anssi, fjh
14:55:14 <Zakim> On IRC I see anssik, Zakim, RRSAgent, fjh, mounir, richt, slightlyoff, tobie, Josh_Soref, trackbot
15:16:48 <Zakim> -fjh
15:16:54 <Zakim> -anssi
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15:16:55 <Zakim> Attendees were fjh, anssi, +46.7.03.79.aaaa, Claes, [IPcaller], tobie
15:17:15 <fjh> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:17:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-dap-minutes.html fjh
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15:36:18 <fjh> Regrets+ Giri_Mandyam
15:37:04 <fjh_> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:37:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/14-dap-minutes.html fjh_
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