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13:57:48 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be LDP
13:57:48 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SW_LDP()10:00AM scheduled to start in 3 minutes
13:57:49 <trackbot> Meeting: Linked Data Platform (LDP) Working Group Teleconference
13:57:49 <trackbot> Date: 11 May 2015
13:58:47 <Zakim> SW_LDP()10:00AM has now started
13:58:54 <Zakim> +deiu
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14:00:39 <Zakim> +OpenLink_Software
14:00:40 <Zakim> +Arnaud
14:01:35 <MacTed> Zakim, OpenLink_Software is temporarily me
14:01:35 <Zakim> +MacTed; got it
14:01:37 <MacTed> Zakim, mute me
14:01:37 <Zakim> MacTed should now be muted
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14:03:02 <Zakim> +bblfish
14:03:44 <Zakim> +EricP
14:03:50 <TallTed> Zakim, MacTed is really me
14:03:50 <Zakim> +TallTed; got it
14:04:57 <deiu> scribenick: deiu
14:05:14 <Arnaud> Proposal: Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27
14:05:19 <deiu> Topic: approval of minutes from last call
14:05:32 <Arnaud> Resolved: Approve the minutes of the 27 April teleconf: http://www.w3.org/2013/meeting/ldp/2015-04-27
14:05:35 <deiu> Arnaud: I was wondering if I should give that up at this point...
14:05:57 <TallTed> May 25 == Memorial Day in USA
14:05:58 <deiu> ...we'll be meeting again in 2 weeks, with 2 open actions
14:06:19 <TallTed> regrets from me for May 25
14:06:21 <Zakim> +Roger
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14:06:38 <deiu> Arnaud: Andrei hasn't yet completed his action (he promises to do it this week)
14:06:51 <deiu> ...no news from Rob either so I guess his action is till pending
14:07:02 <deiu> Topic: paging
14:07:36 <deiu> Arnaud: the next step, if we don't force any change, and if people won't step up and say they plan to implement it, then we have to turn it into a WG note
14:08:21 <deiu> ...if we are to recharter the LDP WG (which I am now more optimistic about), I don't know if we should leave it as a WD, or publish it as a note
14:08:21 <Zakim> +[IPcaller]
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14:08:25 <MiguelAraCo> Umbreon21
14:08:33 <deiu> ...what do people think about it?
14:08:54 <deiu> ...publishing it as a WG note shouldn't take too much time
14:09:31 <deiu> ...also, from a process p.o.v. doesn't prevent LDPNext to pick it up and continue working on it
14:09:33 <bblfish> seems like a good idea. I can't implement it just because there is so much work on other things.
14:09:47 <deiu> ...so my conclusion is to publish it as a WG note right now
14:09:52 <MiguelAraCo> Zakim, IPcaller is me
14:09:52 <Zakim> +MiguelAraCo; got it
14:10:08 <deiu> Arnaud: the current charter expires at the end of July (soon)
14:10:12 <roger> +1 to publishing as a note
14:10:18 <deiu> ...we should work on publishing it as a WG note by then
14:10:56 <deiu> ericP: did you ask around during the LDP f2f if people were interested in implementing
14:11:07 <deiu> Arnaud: yes, there wasn't a lot of enthusiasm
14:11:25 <deiu> ...paging as it is drafted now is not what people seem to want
14:11:35 <deiu> ...people want more control from the client perspective
14:11:56 <deiu> ...people are also interested in the context of query/search mechanism
14:12:04 <bblfish> q+
14:12:31 <deiu> ericP: was there a contrast between that and SPARQL? (i.e. SPARQL describe)
14:12:32 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
14:13:16 <deiu> bblfish: describe works if you have a structured document that is going to come back; in Atom, the paging made sense because results were returned in a certain order, which is not the case for RDF
14:13:23 <MiguelAraCo> s/Umbreon21//
14:13:29 <deiu> Arnaud: we had paging in the context of containers
14:14:08 <deiu> ...anyway, I found it interesting that paging is not really attractive right now in its current shape
14:15:12 <deiu> ...if we decide to publish it as a WG, we will need a formal resolution
14:15:49 <deiu> ...for now I have assumed that it's still a work in progress, but I haven't heard anyone trying to intervene and stop me
14:16:11 <deiu> Arnaud: should we just do that?
14:16:25 <Arnaud> PROPOSED: remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note
14:16:30 <deiu> bblfish: I find it nicely structured, so it's worth publishing as a note
14:16:34 <deiu> +1
14:16:35 <bblfish> +q
14:16:39 <bblfish> q-
14:16:45 <TallTed> +0
14:16:46 <bblfish> +1
14:16:48 <roger> +1
14:16:49 <MiguelAraCo> +1
14:16:51 <ericP> +0
14:17:20 <Arnaud> RESOLVED: remove LDP Paging from REC track and publish it as a WG Note
14:17:32 <deiu> Arnaud: even if we publish it as a WG note, we can still move it to REC if we get people saying they've implemented it
14:17:44 <deiu> ...maybe Ashok can take a pass at it
14:17:48 <deiu> ...or I can do it
14:18:01 <Zakim> +??P17
14:18:02 <deiu> Topic: LD Patch
14:18:08 <deiu> Arnaud: any progress there?
14:18:09 <deiu> q+
14:18:14 <nmihindu> Zakim, ??P17 is me
14:18:14 <Zakim> +nmihindu; got it
14:18:16 <Arnaud> ack deiu
14:18:24 <nmihindu> Zakim, mute me
14:18:24 <Zakim> nmihindu should now be muted
14:19:07 <nmihindu> LDP4j does not implement paging at the moment.
14:19:09 <deiu> Arnaud: anyone implementing LD Patch, other than Alexandre and PA?
14:19:27 <deiu> nmihindu, we're talking about LD Patch now :)
14:20:14 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
14:20:14 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
14:20:25 <nmihindu> deiu, thanks! same goes for LD Patch :)
14:20:35 <deiu> Arnaud: we need at least 2 independent implementations (3 would be better)
14:20:50 <deiu> TallTed: I think we might have people working on it, I'll ask around
14:20:53 <deiu> Topic: LDP primer
14:20:56 <TallTed> Zakim, mute me
14:20:56 <Zakim> TallTed should now be muted
14:21:07 <nmihindu> no
14:21:15 <deiu> Arnaud: I realized that we never actually published more than the FPWD
14:21:16 <nmihindu> we published it as a note
14:21:32 <nmihindu> http://www.w3.org/TR/ldp-primer/
14:22:21 <deiu> Arnaud: my bad, I had a browser cache issue. It didn't show as a WG note
14:22:42 <deiu> Topic: LDP next
14:22:54 <deiu> Arnaud: Andrei has the action item to publish the new draft
14:22:58 <deiu> q+
14:23:05 <bblfish> do we have a link?
14:23:10 <deiu> ...we need to do that fast
14:23:12 <bblfish> q+
14:23:35 <deiu> ...the process is quite slow, so we need to move fast since our group expires at the end of July
14:24:01 <deiu> ...one of the things that didn't make the cut at the f2f was POSTing multiple resources
14:24:19 <deiu> ...we did talk about GETting multiple resources (i.e. inline on GET)
14:24:34 <deiu> ...in the Social Web WG we had people doing this already
14:24:53 <bblfish> yes, that would be interesting to POST a whole zip of files
14:25:20 <deiu> ...some of us are interested in using LDP in the context of the Social Web WG, so my point is that we didn't put on the list "creating multiple resources with one POST"
14:25:21 <bblfish> +1 for that
14:25:25 <deiu> +1 too
14:25:54 <deiu> Arnaud: if we define inlining through multipart, it shouldn't be too complicated to do this for POST
14:26:06 <deiu> ...we need to start the discussion as soon as possible
14:26:14 <nmihindu> +1 we also had a use case of POSTing inlined/multiple documents
14:26:39 <deiu> Arnaud: Andrei will handle the process re. taking the charter to W3M
14:26:57 <Arnaud> ack deiu
14:27:22 <Arnaud> ack bblfish
14:27:29 <deiu> ...to avoid discontinuity, we need to work on this now
14:27:58 <deiu> bblfish: I thought the Social Web WG mentioned something interesting -- i.e. a notification mechanism
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14:28:12 <deiu> ...I wondered if that shouldn't be added to the charter
14:28:34 <deiu> Arnaud: you can bring it up once Andrei sends the new charter for review by the group
14:28:49 <deiu> q+
14:29:10 <deiu> Arnaud: at the meetup we made an effort to pick the 5 top items we can work on
14:29:22 <deiu> ...to avoid failing because of too many goals
14:29:24 <deiu> q-
14:29:29 <deiu> q+
14:29:44 <Arnaud> ack deiu
14:30:48 <TallTed> Zakim, unmute me
14:30:48 <Zakim> TallTed should no longer be muted
14:31:59 <deiu> TallTed: I don't remember the meeting being "official", so I'm not sure what real weight the proposed items have
14:32:20 <deiu> Arnaud: you're right, those may not be the _final_ items
14:32:53 <deiu> TallTed: just a reminder, two weeks from now there's a US holiday
14:33:17 <deiu> Arnaud: let's meet on June 1st then
14:33:28 <deiu> q+
14:33:36 <bblfish> +1
14:33:43 <Arnaud> ack deiu
14:34:19 <deiu> Arnaud: ok, let's do that; we're meeting on June 1st next time
14:34:44 <deiu> ...I think we're done for the time being
14:34:49 <bblfish> thanks
14:34:52 <Zakim> -nmihindu
14:34:53 <Zakim> -MiguelAraCo
14:34:53 <Zakim> -TallTed
14:34:53 <deiu> ...thank you all!
14:34:55 <Zakim> -Roger
14:34:55 <Zakim> -Arnaud
14:34:57 <Zakim> -bblfish
14:35:02 <deiu> [meeting adjourned]
14:35:04 <Arnaud> trackbot, end meeting
14:35:04 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
14:35:04 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been deiu, Arnaud, bblfish, EricP, TallTed, Roger, MiguelAraCo, nmihindu
14:35:11 <Zakim> -deiu
14:35:12 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
14:35:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/11-ldp-minutes.html trackbot
14:35:13 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
14:35:13 <RRSAgent> I see no action items