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14:10:19 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be dpub
14:10:19 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM scheduled to start in 50 minutes
14:10:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Digital Publishing Interest Group Teleconference
14:10:20 <trackbot> Date: 11 May 2015
14:10:36 <ivan> Agenda: http://www.w3.org/mid/554BE31B.2090102@gmail.com
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14:37:27 <ivan> Regrets+ Phil
14:37:35 <ivan> Regrets+ Luc
14:37:44 <ivan> Regrets: Peter
14:37:54 <ivan> Regrets: Phil, Luc, Peter
14:38:04 <ivan> Chair: markus
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14:59:21 <NickRuffilo> zakim, ipcaller is me
14:59:21 <Zakim> +NickRuffilo; got it
14:59:22 <ivan> zakim, dial ivan-voip
14:59:22 <Zakim> ok, ivan; the call is being made
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15:01:42 <brady_duga> :) Right!
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15:02:02 <ivan> zakim, aaaa is ayla_stein
15:02:02 <Zakim> +ayla_stein; got it
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15:03:48 <ivan> zakim, aabb is david_stroup
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15:05:08 <tzviya> scribenick: tzviya
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15:05:47 <tzviya> topic: approve minutes
15:05:48 <tzviya> http://www.w3.org/2015/04/27-dpub-minutes.html
15:05:55 <tzviya> markus: minutes approved
15:06:16 <tzviya> topic: changes to audio bridge
15:06:32 <tzviya> Ivan: Zakim bridge will end at the end of June
15:06:45 <tzviya> ...MIT has moved to WebEx and VOIP
15:07:22 <ivan> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/WebEx
15:07:26 <tzviya> ...and will not continue to finance Zakim and pushing us to move to WebEx
15:07:43 <tzviya> ...I have set up a WebEx account and wiki page
15:08:23 <tzviya> ...It can be used in same way as Zakim and can download app
15:08:36 <tzviya> ...Can use on iOS and Google Play, not Linux
15:08:49 <tzviya> ...Can request system to dial out to international number
15:08:58 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:09:25 <tzviya> ...System for queue control, etc. is not available on WebEx
15:09:41 <tzviya> ...We will continue to use IRC and Zakim bots for these things
15:09:51 <tzviya> ...We will not use WebEx chat for these things
15:10:25 <tzviya> ...Practical difference is that everyone should type in Present+ and name so minute system can track
15:11:00 <mgylling> ack Bill_K
15:11:02 <tzviya> ...We will probably transition at first meeting after F2F (1 Jun)
15:11:34 <tzviya> Bill_Kasdorf: it sounds like we are using the audio aspects of webex, but nothing else?
15:11:34 <NickRuffilo> q+
15:11:47 <mgylling> ack Nick
15:11:55 <tzviya> Ivan: we do not want to exclude anyone
15:12:11 <NickRuffilo> q-
15:12:17 <tzviya> Nick: we can still use the screen sharing
15:12:39 <tzviya> Ivan: Best idea is to put slides on web or send to Ivan in advance
15:12:50 <tzviya> Markus: scribing is still on IRC
15:12:56 <mgylling> q?
15:13:13 <tzviya> topic: Accessibility TF update
15:14:04 <tzviya> Deborah: A11y TF put together deatailed spreadsheet of what aspects of WCAG are relevant/not relevant to DPUB
15:14:30 <tzviya> ...this helped us understand what aspects of publishing are NOT addressed by existing standards
15:14:35 <dkaplan3> https://github.com/w3c/dpub-accessibility/blob/gh-pages/index.html
15:15:25 <tzviya> Deborah: This is a draft of a note for W3C, mostly an outline at this point
15:15:40 <tzviya> ...would love to receive input
15:15:50 <tzviya> http://w3c.github.io/dpub-accessibility/
15:16:29 <tzviya> Deborah: at F2F meeting will sit down with BISG and talk about what these 2 groups can do together
15:16:59 <tzviya> ...want to address the possibility of this TF assisting in communications between BISG and W3C
15:17:27 <tzviya> ...if we see gaps in publisher knowledge, we can let BISG know
15:17:29 <ivan> q+
15:17:39 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:17:44 <tzviya> ...if BISG sees holes in standards. they can let us know
15:18:07 <tzviya> ivan: With whom would you like to have contact in WAI?
15:19:02 <Bill_Kasdorf> q+
15:19:10 <tzviya> Deborah: good question. Not yet resolved. we need to know if BISG wants this, and then we need to talk to WAI
15:19:23 <tzviya> ...We have been in touch w Jeanne Spellman
15:19:33 <mgylling> ack Bill_K
15:20:35 <tzviya> Bill_K: I think this is what BISG will want to do - 2-way communication liaison
15:20:41 <mgylling> q+
15:21:36 <tzviya> Deborah: we are hopeful that this won't involve too much process. It's good to hear that you think this is aligned with BISG's thinking
15:22:05 <tzviya> ...this is an opportunity for W3C reps to speak to content creators and find out how it's going
15:22:50 <mgylling> ack mgylling
15:23:11 <tzviya> clapierre: We hope to see concrete next steps come out of the F2F
15:23:22 <tzviya> mgylling: question about the note
15:24:27 <tzviya> ...finished survey of techniques and begun work on what's missing. Is the note intended to cover both topics or just one?
15:24:36 <clapierre1> https://docs.google.com/a/benespace.org/spreadsheets/d/125hGDyBfr8fHtN0kRr_yKgXrrEXqFLAHIQhUcoGGLnU/edit#gid=0
15:24:43 <tzviya> deborah: cover both
15:24:58 <tzviya> markus: is there a public space to share what's missing?
15:25:23 <tzviya> deborah: nothing yet
15:25:25 <tzviya> q+
15:25:47 <tzviya> s/nothing yet/see charle
15:25:56 <tzviya> ...s's notes
15:26:23 <tzviya> markus: is it OK to share the document with others who can contribvte to it?
15:26:34 <tzviya> deborah: OK
15:27:09 <tzviya> ...the spreadsheet is just a brainstorm document and is very broad
15:27:32 <tzviya> ...and, it's not vetted, so some of the issues may be covered by specs
15:27:34 <mgylling> q?
15:27:37 <mgylling> ack tzviya
15:27:38 <ivan> s/contribvte/contribute/
15:28:20 <tzviya> tzviya: consider using the wiki to gather comments instead of google sheet - if it works
15:29:29 <tzviya> mgylling: F2F meeting devotes 45 min to a11y. Will all be about collaboration with BISG?
15:29:36 <tzviya> clappierre: yes
15:29:44 <mgylling> scribenick: mgylling
15:29:52 <Zakim> +Liam
15:30:22 <mgylling> Tzviya: last time week spoke we did a call or conensus on the dpub role draft. PF prepared for a similar call and a lot of issues came up, primarily around the general extensibility of ARIA.
15:30:52 <mgylling> … this is the first time an extensions of ARIA is proposed, created a lot of discussion within PF and HTML WGs
15:31:16 <mgylling> … we decided that until a decision is made on extensibility, we put the draft work on ice
15:31:27 <mgylling> … Ivan even went to Paris to discuss this topic
15:31:57 <mgylling> … another option is to create a extensions spec to HTML depending on how the ARIA extension rules end up
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15:32:44 <mgylling> Ivan: There is tension within the ARIA group on whether the role attribute is bound to AT usage, or can be used more generally for structural information.
15:33:02 <mgylling> … some people are on the restrictive side, and do not want a large number of new values for role
15:33:40 <mgylling> … and they have understandable arguments but on the other hand if we follow that argument to the end it would be too restrictive for our uses
15:34:06 <mgylling> … I have written down a document with option, not yet public
15:34:22 <mgylling> … next step is to go back to PF and make a final decision
15:34:32 <mgylling> … hope that have this dnoe before F2F
15:34:57 <ivan> s/dnoe/done/
15:35:12 <mgylling> Tzviya: publishing the note, published by which group?
15:35:37 <mgylling> Ivan: that would just be a discussion paper on a wiki
15:36:52 <mgylling> q?
15:38:40 <tzviya> mgylling: if we end up doing an extension to HTML, we still need to have a clear mapping to AT
15:39:07 <tzviya> ...so, we would still need to work with ARIA to figure out how to map
15:39:28 <tzviya> ...Further, there was interest in adding some of our terms to ARIA Core
15:39:44 <Zakim> -duga
15:40:04 <tzviya> Ivan: this was one of the options that I listed, and we would be in discussion with them
15:40:20 <Zakim> +duga
15:40:21 <mgylling> q
15:40:24 <mgylling> q?
15:40:38 <ivan> q+
15:40:55 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/dpub/IG/wiki/May_2015_F2F_Logistics_and_Details
15:40:59 <mgylling> scribe?
15:41:05 <mgylling> zakim, scribe?
15:41:05 <Zakim> I don't understand your question, mgylling.
15:41:17 <mgylling> scribenick mgylling
15:41:29 <mgylling> Tzviya: final nag about the F2F.
15:41:41 <mgylling> … call-in information is still missing
15:41:49 <mgylling> Ivan: we can set up a WebEx session
15:42:46 <astearns> ivan: I'd like to dial in for packaging and pagination
15:43:17 <mgylling> ack ivan
15:43:49 <mgylling> Ivan: I talked to the TAG chair about packaging at the AC meeting
15:44:06 <mgylling> … discussion now within community whether packaging is something they want in the first place
15:44:15 <mgylling> … some say that using the manifest is enough
15:44:27 <mgylling> … maybe with service workers involved
15:44:46 <mgylling> … I gave information about EPUB-WEB to ???, and he may also dial in for the discussion
15:45:06 <astearns> s/???/Daniel Applequist/
15:45:07 <mgylling> … bottom line for is that we have to collect our use cases and give lots of force to it
15:45:11 <tzviya> s/???/Dan Applequist
15:47:18 <Zakim> -lfowler
15:47:18 <mgylling> q?
15:47:38 <mgylling> Tzviya: is one of our goals of our packaging sesssion then to have an outline for the use case doc?
15:47:53 <mgylling> Ivan: yes, and analyze whether this works for us or does not
15:48:51 <NickRuffilo> q+
15:48:55 <mgylling> ack Nick
15:49:33 <mgylling> Nick: we had a good discussion on STEM survey results last friday, I am putting all the data into a database with a top end
15:49:35 <mgylling> …
15:49:59 <mgylling> … the results ultimately can only lead to building a better survey that goes out to more people
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15:51:17 <Zakim> -Liam
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15:51:18 <Zakim> -Markus
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15:51:24 <Zakim> DPUB_DPUBIG()11:00AM has ended
15:51:24 <Zakim> Attendees were clapierre, Vlad, Tzviya, Bill_Kasdorf, NickRuffilo, Ivan, deborahGU, duga, Markus, astearns, +1.217.300.aaaa, TimCole, ayla_stein, Bert, +1.585.217.aabb, lfowler,
15:51:24 <Zakim> ... david_stroup, pbelfanti, Liam
16:06:12 <ivan> trackbot, stop telcon
16:06:12 <trackbot> Sorry, ivan, I don't understand 'trackbot, stop telcon'. Please refer to <http://www.w3.org/2005/06/tracker/irc> for help.
16:06:21 <ivan> trackbot, end telcon
16:06:21 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
16:06:21 <Zakim> sorry, trackbot, I don't know what conference this is
16:06:29 <trackbot> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:06:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/11-dpub-minutes.html trackbot
16:06:30 <trackbot> RRSAgent, bye
16:06:30 <RRSAgent> I see no action items