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14:00:54 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be TTML
14:00:54 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM scheduled to start now
14:00:55 <trackbot> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
14:00:55 <trackbot> Date: 07 May 2015
14:01:38 <nigel> Present: nigel
14:01:40 <nigel> chair: nigel
14:01:50 <nigel> Present+ mdolan
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14:02:36 <nigel> Present+ courtney
14:02:58 <nigel> zakim, who is on the phone?
14:03:00 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, nigel
14:03:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see glenn, courtney, Zakim, RRSAgent, mike, nigel, trackbot
14:03:16 <nigel> zakim, who is on the call?
14:03:17 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has not yet started, nigel
14:03:18 <Zakim> On IRC I see glenn, courtney, Zakim, RRSAgent, mike, nigel, trackbot
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14:03:27 <nigel> zakim, this is ttwg
14:03:27 <Zakim> ok, nigel; that matches SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM
14:03:30 <nigel> zakim, who is on the call?
14:03:30 <Zakim> On the phone I see [Apple], Mike, nigel, pal
14:03:40 <nigel> zakim, [Apple] is courtney
14:03:40 <Zakim> +courtney; got it
14:04:05 <nigel> Regrets: plh, atai
14:04:16 <nigel> Present+ pal
14:04:28 <nigel> scribe: nigel
14:04:56 <nigel> zakim, who is on the call?
14:04:57 <Zakim> On the phone I see courtney, Mike, nigel, pal
14:05:08 <nigel> Topic: This meeting
14:05:36 <Zakim> + +1.417.671.aaaa
14:05:49 <nigel> Present+ glenn
14:05:53 <nigel> zakim, aaaa is glenn
14:05:53 <Zakim> +glenn; got it
14:06:11 <nigel> nigel: goes through agenda. AOB?
14:06:14 <nigel> group: no AOB.
14:07:56 <nigel> nigel: I'm told we will be transitioning from Zakim to Webex for audio calls. That means we will have
14:08:10 <nigel> ... the opportunity to do screen sharing too. We will continue to use IRC for logging, minutes etc.
14:08:31 <nigel> ... One plus point of Webex is that we can use it to dial any international number.
14:08:55 <nigel> ... In my experience the VOIP functionality in Webex isn't as good as getting it to dial out to a normal
14:09:06 <nigel> ... line (even if that normal line is another provider's VOIP service!).
14:09:30 <nigel> Regrets+ tmichel
14:10:46 <nigel> nigel: Looking further ahead I'll be on vacation on 18th and 25th June, so if anyone wants to step in
14:11:03 <nigel> ... and chair then let me know, otherwise the default will likely be that we don't meet on those days.
14:11:20 <nigel> Topic: Actions
14:11:51 <nigel> action-390?
14:11:51 <trackbot> action-390 -- Nigel Megitt to Update the multirowalign and linepadding ttml files to have shorter lines of text -- due 2015-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:11:51 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/390
14:12:42 <nigel> nigel: Andreas told me he's happy with this so I propose to close it.
14:12:48 <nigel> close action-390
14:12:48 <trackbot> Closed action-390.
14:12:52 <nigel> action-391?
14:12:52 <trackbot> action-391 -- Nigel Megitt to Update the multirowalign and linepadding pngs to match the ttml -- due 2015-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:12:52 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/391
14:13:27 <nigel> nigel: On this one Andreas said he found the dotted line representing the root container region to be
14:13:43 <nigel> ... confusing. I plan to edit the test page to say "the dotted line represents the root container region".
14:14:21 <nigel> nigel: The reason I put it in was that typically the PNGs might be viewed in a browser and the edges are
14:14:31 <nigel> ... invisible when displayed against a white holding page.
14:15:30 <nigel> ... Oh, Andreas has just contributed by email.
14:15:35 <nigel> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TimedText/IMSC1_Implementation_Report#Tests
14:16:18 <nigel> nigel: He says it's important to clarify that the dotted lines are the root container region.
14:16:35 <nigel> pal: You need also to say that the dotted lines are not part of the rendering. I don't personally think
14:17:17 <nigel> ... that the dotted lines are needed but if they're going to be there it should be clear that they shouldn't
14:17:33 <nigel> ... be rendered. I also would recommend that they're not there. I think someone who cares is going to
14:17:44 <nigel> ... download the PNG and use that rather than opening in a browser.
14:18:09 <nigel> nigel: Okay I'm happy to trim the PNG to be the correct size and take out the confusing wording.
14:18:23 <nigel> close action-391
14:18:23 <trackbot> Closed action-391.
14:18:37 <nigel> Action: nigel Trim dotted lines out of PNGs and edit test text
14:18:37 <trackbot> Created ACTION-402 - Trim dotted lines out of pngs and edit test text [on Nigel Megitt - due 2015-05-14].
14:18:49 <nigel> action-389?
14:18:49 <trackbot> action-389 -- Andreas Tai to Check with ebu group if we can have a combined event at ibc with ebu group and imsc/w3c -- due 2015-04-17 -- PENDINGREVIEW
14:18:49 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/389
14:20:10 <nigel> nigel: As co-chair of this group and the EBU XML Subtitles group I'm party to the discussion on both sides.
14:20:32 <nigel> ... The conclusion was yes, it is fine to give a joint presentation with Andreas, Pierre and me on the EBU
14:20:51 <nigel> ... stand to publicise this part of the family of TTML specs. Precise details of the presentation to be agreed.
14:21:22 <nigel> pal: I'll work with you and Andreas on that.
14:21:23 <nigel> close action-389
14:21:23 <trackbot> Closed action-389.
14:22:18 <nigel> nigel: There are no more actions with work on them - all the remaining actions we opened at the F2F
14:22:22 <nigel> ... are now by default overdue.
14:22:36 <nigel> glenn: I've completed action-385
14:22:38 <nigel> action-385?
14:22:38 <trackbot> action-385 -- Glenn Adams to Remove stereoleft and stereoright from <bound-parameter> -- due 2015-04-17 -- OPEN
14:22:38 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/385
14:22:57 <nigel> glenn: I'm in the process of pushing that to Hg right now.
14:24:25 <nigel> pal: I think I've closed Action-397, or it's pending review.
14:24:46 <nigel> nigel: Yes, I think we need also to generate a CR snapshot with the updated SOTD etc.
14:26:09 <nigel> glenn: You can go ahead and close action-385 as I've removed the bound parameters; the other stuff
14:26:23 <nigel> ... about changing disparity is separate to this action.
14:28:24 <nigel> nigel: Glenn, can you go ahead and set the action to Pending Review once you've added the changeset
14:28:30 <nigel> ... reference as normal?
14:28:41 <nigel> pal: Can we look at action-365?
14:28:43 <nigel> action-365?
14:28:43 <trackbot> action-365 -- Pierre-Anthony Lemieux to Review change proposal 21 in the light of closure of issue-229. -- due 2015-03-26 -- OPEN
14:28:43 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/actions/365
14:29:25 <pal> http://www.w3.org/wiki/TTML/changeProposal021
14:29:56 <nigel> pal: As I recall the resolution to this discussion was to inform SMPTE of the choices that this group has
14:30:04 <nigel> ... made. I think we can close Action-365.
14:30:24 <nigel> ... I have reviewed CP-21, identified differences to the SMPTE request, and we've taken the follow-up
14:30:31 <nigel> ... action. So I think we can close it.
14:31:26 <nigel> Action-365: [TTWG Meeting 2015-05-07] Pierre: I have reviewed CP-21, identified differences to the SMPTE request, and we've taken the follow-up action.
14:31:26 <trackbot> Notes added to Action-365 Review change proposal 21 in the light of closure of issue-229..
14:31:31 <nigel> close action-365
14:31:32 <trackbot> Closed action-365.
14:32:06 <nigel> nigel: CP21 has one open issue, Issue-231, so we can't close the CP yet.
14:32:35 <nigel> issue-231?
14:32:35 <trackbot> issue-231 -- Individual character rotation -- open
14:32:35 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/231
14:32:59 <nigel> nigel: Do we wait for a response for Issue-231?
14:33:12 <nigel> pal: We can't hold up for SMPTE - we don't know what response they will give.
14:35:21 <nigel> mike: SMPTE will respond - I don't know if the Digital Cinema folk need the arbitrary glyph rotation.
14:35:50 <nigel> pal: There were two or three dispositions in the message to SMPTE that were not exactly coincident with
14:36:01 <nigel> ... the SMPTE request sourced from Digital Cinema.
14:36:23 <nigel> mike: Pierre, let's follow up offline.
14:36:25 <nigel> pal: Sure.
14:36:43 <nigel> nigel: Okay we'll leave Issue-231 and CP-21 open for the time being.
14:37:15 <nigel> Topic: Issues
14:37:32 <nigel> issue-382?
14:37:32 <trackbot> issue-382 -- Require a computed non-indefinite begin time -- pending review
14:37:32 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/382
14:38:34 <nigel> nigel: Pierre made a change, I reviewed it, and Pierre updated the text this week.
14:38:44 <nigel> pal: Overall the direction didn't change.
14:38:52 <nigel> nigel: Right, we just tightened up the language.
14:39:08 <nigel> pal: The recommendation is still the same, to have a begin and end that apply to content elements.
14:39:35 <nigel> close issue-382
14:39:36 <trackbot> Closed issue-382.
14:39:45 <nigel> issue-388?
14:39:45 <trackbot> issue-388 -- ttp:timeBase not required on tt -- pending review
14:39:45 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/AudioVideo/TT/tracker/issues/388
14:40:24 <nigel> pal: I think there had been some confusion there in the input document. The intent was not to mandate
14:40:39 <nigel> ... the presence of the attribute ttp:timeBase on the root element, but merely to mandate that the "media"
14:40:45 <nigel> ... timeBase be used. So now IMSC 1 reflects that.
14:41:05 <nigel> close issue-388
14:41:05 <trackbot> Closed issue-388.
14:41:38 <nigel> nigel: I guess this means that the list of changes relative to CR1 needs to include these.
14:41:53 <nigel> pal: The list I already sent includes issue-388 and issue-382.
14:42:41 <nigel> Topic: IMSC CR2
14:43:43 <nigel> nigel: We can propose to adopt the current ED as a new CR as per Pierre's email https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-tt/2015May/0005.html
14:44:44 <nigel> Proposal: We will request transition of the current ED of IMSC 1 as a second Candidate Recommendation
14:45:47 <nigel> Resolution: We will request transition of the current ED of IMSC 1 as a second Candidate Recommendation
14:47:11 <nigel> nigel: We need to set an earliest CR exit date criterion. Are we going to make that the earliest it can be,
14:47:19 <nigel> ... 4 weeks after publication, at the earliest?
14:47:21 <nigel> pal: +1
14:47:52 <nigel> nigel: And aside from that will the exit criteria be exactly the same as the first CR?
14:49:35 <nigel> pal: My only concern is getting implementation experience.
14:49:43 <nigel> nigel: Do we need to discuss this when we have a staff contact present?
14:49:55 <nigel> pal: I like that suggestion - let's discuss with plh or tmichel.
14:51:25 <nigel> pal: I don't think we should let this block transition though, so we should push ahead with any actions
14:51:49 <nigel> ... needed to advance the process.
14:52:22 <nigel> Action: plh Arrange Director call for IMSC 1 CR2 transition request
14:52:22 <trackbot> Created ACTION-403 - Arrange director call for imsc 1 cr2 transition request [on Philippe Le Hégaret - due 2015-05-14].
14:52:38 <nigel> pal: I'll stand by to create the CR2 branch with the updated SOTD etc in ready for publication.
14:55:21 <nigel> Topic: TTML2 editorial actions
14:55:29 <nigel> nigel: Has there been any more input on this?
14:55:35 <nigel> glenn: Not as far as I know.
14:56:11 <nigel> nigel: It seems that nobody has had trouble looking at the spreadsheet.
14:56:12 <nigel> https://dvcs.w3.org/hg/ttml/raw-file/tip/ttml2/spec/ednotes.xlsx
14:57:31 <nigel> pal: What's the action related to Issue-224?
14:57:51 <nigel> nigel: It's to add an example TTML fragment and how it should render, for the disparity feature in
14:58:10 <nigel> ... §10.2.10 (ID 033 in the spreadsheet).
14:58:18 <nigel> pal: In fact there's already an example, it just needs an image.
14:58:35 <nigel> pal: I'll take that one. I'll have to decode tts:position - I'll do my best!
14:59:34 <nigel> glenn: I'll be able to generate some of the examples from my TTPE project, for features like the Ruby
14:59:45 <nigel> ... and other Japanese features that have been implemented so far. The other ones may have to be done
14:59:56 <nigel> ... manually if there's no implementation available yet for that feature.
15:00:19 <nigel> glenn: I'll update the list and mark on those that TTPE will be able to generate.
15:01:00 <Zakim> -Mike
15:01:01 <Zakim> -glenn
15:01:04 <Zakim> -courtney
15:01:09 <Zakim> -nigel
15:01:14 <Zakim> -pal
15:01:15 <Zakim> SYMM_TTWG()10:00AM has ended
15:01:15 <Zakim> Attendees were Mike, nigel, pal, courtney, +1.417.671.aaaa, glenn
15:01:23 <nigel> nigel: We're out of time so, just a reminder that if you want to practice chairing on 18th or 25th June
15:01:42 <nigel> ... please let me know. Thanks everyone, I'll adjourn now - meet again same time next week.
15:01:46 <nigel> ... [adjourns meeting]
15:01:51 <nigel> rrsagent, make logs public
15:01:55 <nigel> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:01:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-tt-minutes.html nigel
15:07:19 <nigel> s/Proposal: /PROPOSAL:
15:07:26 <nigel> s/Resolution: /RESOLUTION:
15:09:36 <nigel> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:09:36 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-tt-minutes.html nigel
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15:14:41 <nigel> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:14:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-tt-minutes.html nigel
15:18:12 <nigel> Regrets+ Frans
15:18:14 <nigel> rrsagent, generate minutes
15:18:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-tt-minutes.html nigel
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