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13:46:02 <aphillip> trackbot, prepare teleconference
13:46:04 <trackbot> RRSAgent, make logs world
13:46:06 <trackbot> Zakim, this will be 4186
13:46:06 <Zakim> ok, trackbot; I see I18N_WG()10:00AM scheduled to start in 14 minutes
13:46:07 <trackbot> Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
13:46:07 <trackbot> Date: 07 May 2015
13:46:36 <aphillip> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015May/0002.html
13:46:42 <aphillip> Chair: Addison Phillips
13:46:46 <aphillip> ScribeNick: aphillip
13:46:51 <aphillip> Scribe: Addison Phillips
13:47:16 <aphillip> agenda+ RADAR and Active Work Review
13:47:27 <aphillip> agenda+ Prioritization of Work Items and Work Planning
13:47:48 <aphillip> agenda+ comments review, various documents
13:48:01 <aphillip> agenda+ FW: Informative Collection of Justification Resources
13:48:24 <aphillip> Regrets+ Steve
13:48:31 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
13:48:39 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
13:48:39 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has not yet started, aphillip
13:48:41 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, r12a, koji, trackbot
14:01:19 <r12a> zakim, dial richard please
14:01:19 <Zakim> ok, r12a; the call is being made
14:01:20 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has now started
14:01:23 <Zakim> +Richard
14:01:52 <Zakim> +aphillip
14:02:53 <aphillip> agenda?
14:02:58 <aphillip> zakim, who is here?
14:02:58 <Zakim> On the phone I see Richard, aphillip
14:03:00 <Zakim> On IRC I see RRSAgent, Zakim, aphillip, r12a, koji, trackbot
14:03:33 <DennisTan> DennisTan has joined #i18n
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14:04:14 <Zakim> + +1.703.948.aaaa
14:04:30 <DennisTan> zakim, +1.703 is DennisTan
14:04:30 <Zakim> +DennisTan; got it
14:04:34 <Zakim> +JcK
14:05:06 <aphillip> Topic: Agenda
14:05:07 <aphillip> agenda?
14:05:54 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:06:03 <aphillip> Topic: Action Items
14:06:16 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
14:09:28 <aphillip> close action-439
14:09:28 <trackbot> Closed action-439.
14:09:38 <aphillip> Topic: Info Share
14:09:43 <RRSAgent> I'm logging. I don't understand 'draft minute', aphillip.  Try /msg RRSAgent help
14:09:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:10:13 <aphillip> Dennis: universal acceptance group formed
14:10:26 <aphillip> ... want people to join
14:10:38 <DennisTan> https://mm.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/ua-international
14:10:39 <aphillip> ... promote acceptance of IDNs
14:11:03 <aphillip> Dennis: part of group
14:11:25 <aphillip> ... looking for way to promote via best practices etc via w3c
14:11:33 <aphillip> ... chatting with richard in riga
14:11:52 <aphillip> ... figure out how to coordinate between icann and w3c
14:12:14 <aphillip> richard: don't want to own problem, but want to help however possible
14:12:33 <aphillip> ... perhaps suggest things and we can discuss?
14:12:46 <aphillip> dennis: play by ear and see how it evolves
14:13:52 <aphillip> jck: hoping latest version will work out well/better
14:14:53 <aphillip> richard: mlweb workshop last week
14:15:02 <aphillip> ... was 3rd day of a 3 day event
14:15:07 <aphillip> ... squeezed into a single day
14:15:14 <aphillip> ... reasonably successful
14:15:24 <aphillip> ... asking ourselves if we can do another in 2016
14:15:40 <aphillip> ... need to find funding for someone to run cmte and produce report
14:16:05 <aphillip> ... we have a potential location/facilities (Rome)
14:16:12 <aphillip> ... under discussion
14:16:23 <r12a> http://r12a.github.io/scripts/mongolian/variants.html
14:16:31 <aphillip> richard: if you're interested in mongolian
14:16:40 <aphillip> ... document above that I've beenw orking on
14:16:45 <aphillip> ... getting better/more useful
14:16:55 <aphillip> s/beenw orking/been working/
14:17:02 <aphillip> ... tapping into experts
14:17:56 <aphillip> addison: plans to publish formally??
14:18:25 <aphillip> richard: represents latest thinking
14:18:39 <aphillip> ... can use to go to vendors, etc. to change appropriately
14:18:58 <aphillip> ... some places where it isn't obvious if we have right choices
14:19:08 <aphillip> ... discuss on public-i18n-mongolian list
14:19:30 <aphillip> ... that list can be written to in chinese, english or mongolian
14:20:07 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
14:20:15 <aphillip> agenda?
14:20:23 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 1
14:20:23 <Zakim> agendum 1. "RADAR and Active Work Review" taken up [from aphillip]
14:20:39 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Review_radar
14:22:51 <aphillip> richard: started reading web payments
14:23:39 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Project_radar
14:25:13 <aphillip> richard: updating articles for translation
14:25:21 <aphillip> .. mostly template update
14:25:26 <aphillip> ... but making a few minor changes
14:26:14 <aphillip> agenda?
14:26:32 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 2
14:26:32 <Zakim> agendum 2. "Prioritization of Work Items and Work Planning" taken up [from aphillip]
14:29:57 <aphillip> addison: summarizes voting to date
14:37:39 <aphillip> agenda?
14:38:04 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 4
14:38:04 <Zakim> agendum 4. "FW: Informative Collection of Justification Resources" taken up [from aphillip]
14:38:18 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015May/0004.html
14:39:54 <aphillip> richard: think the answer is "yes", but need to figure out what we are actually going to do
14:40:24 <r12a> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-international/2015AprJun/0055.html
14:41:01 <aphillip> richard: we currently point outwards at things
14:41:27 <aphillip> ... having a document on justification or on justification in a script not maybe a good idea
14:41:59 <aphillip> ... pages on the web may disappear or contains some things you don't quite agree with or incomplete
14:42:15 <aphillip> ... so incorporating "the truth" as we see it into one document would be good
14:42:20 <aphillip> ... if we have resources to make that happen
14:42:30 <aphillip> ... and making larger layout requirements documents even better
14:42:39 <aphillip> ... getting experts togehter, lot more work
14:43:37 <aphillip> addison: almost wiki pages of matierals until critical mass?
14:43:59 <aphillip> richard: not a document about justification
14:45:16 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Improving_typography_on_the_Web_and_in_eBooks#Alignment_and_justification
14:45:32 <r12a> https://www.w3.org/International/wiki/Layout_links
14:49:23 <aphillip> action: richard: follow up with daniel about ethiopic information
14:49:23 <trackbot> Created ACTION-440 - Follow up with daniel about ethiopic information [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-05-14].
14:49:51 <aphillip> action: richard: write back to fantasai/csswg and propose a way to organize layout information
14:49:51 <trackbot> Created ACTION-441 - Write back to fantasai/csswg and propose a way to organize layout information [on Richard Ishida - due 2015-05-14].
14:50:27 <aphillip> agenda?
14:50:41 <aphillip> zakim, take up agendum 3
14:50:41 <Zakim> agendum 3. "comments review, various documents" taken up [from aphillip]
14:51:08 <aphillip> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2015May/0003.html
14:51:26 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/78
14:51:48 <aphillip> http://www.w3.org/TR/2015/WD-mediacapture-streams-20150414/#widl-MediaStreamTrack-label
14:52:00 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/464
14:52:06 <aphillip> issue-464?
14:52:06 <trackbot> issue-464 -- 'label' needs direction and language metadata ⓟ -- open
14:52:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/464
14:55:06 <aphillip> issue-465?
14:55:06 <trackbot> issue-465 -- Human readable message not localizable? ⓟ -- open
14:55:06 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/465
14:57:03 <aphillip> https://www.w3.org/International/track/products/79
14:57:37 <aphillip> issue-466?
14:57:37 <trackbot> issue-466 -- Can JSON data be generated from non UTF-8 encoded CSV data ⓟ -- open
14:57:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/466
14:59:24 <aphillip> json == utf-8
14:59:33 <aphillip> addison: so conversion must be taking place
14:59:45 <aphillip> ricahrd: other documents in this group talk about encoding
14:59:59 <aphillip> issue-467?
14:59:59 <trackbot> issue-467 -- What are the rules for string equality when column names are matched with annotations ⓟ -- open
14:59:59 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/467
15:00:31 <DennisTan> Need to drop off the call. Thank you .... also, I won't be able to make it to next week's meeting, so regrets in advance. Good bye!
15:00:40 <Zakim> -DennisTan
15:01:06 <aphillip> addison: I think our guidelines include a health warning
15:01:25 <aphillip> s/include/are to include/
15:01:37 <aphillip> issue-468?
15:01:37 <trackbot> issue-468 -- Do Unicode Strings get normalized when placed into JSON data ⓟ -- open
15:01:37 <trackbot> http://www.w3.org/International/track/issues/468
15:02:21 <aphillip> addison: recommend a normalizing transcoder?
15:02:29 <aphillip> ... but don't apply normalization?
15:02:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:03:36 <aphillip> Topic: AOB?
15:04:01 <aphillip> richard: in prep for next week, are we doing something for charmod?
15:04:46 <aphillip> ... send questions ahead?
15:04:57 <aphillip> addison: will write that as homework
15:06:05 <Zakim> -JcK
15:06:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
15:16:36 <Zakim> -aphillip
15:16:38 <Zakim> I18N_WG()10:00AM has ended
15:16:38 <Zakim> Attendees were Richard, aphillip, +1.703.948.aaaa, DennisTan, JcK
16:16:25 <aphillip> Present: Addison, Richard, Dennis, JcK
16:16:30 <aphillip> RRSAgent, make minutes
16:16:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-i18n-minutes.html aphillip
16:16:55 <aphillip> zakim, bye
16:16:55 <Zakim> Zakim has left #i18n
16:17:00 <aphillip> rrsagent, bye
16:17:00 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-i18n-actions.rdf :
16:17:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: follow up with daniel about ethiopic information [1]
16:17:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-i18n-irc#T14-49-23
16:17:00 <RRSAgent> ACTION: richard: write back to fantasai/csswg and propose a way to organize layout information [2]
16:17:00 <RRSAgent>   recorded in http://www.w3.org/2015/05/07-i18n-irc#T14-49-51